To late to lst?

Iamlegend2121

Iamlegend2121

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Okay so this is a freebie from herbes it is royal queen royal cheese feminised I have it growing outdoor in a pot but since its been raining almost everyday for the last couple weeks I put 5 cfls on it while it is inside then I put it back outside anyway I want to lst this grow and try it out but I'm wondering if it is to late to start training as you can see its stretching like crazy except for the top people say outside it's better but it seems like my plants outside stretch more than the inside ones also I hear that the sun penetrates a lot deeper but as far as I'm concerned its the same the lower nodes are still shadowed by the fan leaves anyway back to the question can I still lst or is it to big/late
 

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bf80255

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I dont understand the question... its never too late to lst all lst is is bending and tying your plant down so that it redistributes the auxins at the top of the plants into the other branches and as a result you end up with more bud sites, colas and a much bushier plant. Outside they grow fast because the power of the sun dwarfs the few measly lumens an hid lamp can put out hands down, you dont have to worry about light penetration outdoors as long as you keep the inner branches and lower branches well maintained and thin them out if it gets to be so thick that your losing airflow, thats when you run into problems like powdery mildew and botrytis and nasty bugs and what not plus the dreaded popcorn bud lol sorry for rambling im zooted off some great kush!
 
Iamlegend2121

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Lol ramble all you want it's helpfull regardless the reason I asked is because I heard once they get to old the stems are too thick and you can't lst or the stems would not bend they would break also since its so tall the top would be bending over the pots edge
 
Guccizillaa

Guccizillaa

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not at all, take some gardening twine, and loop around some branches, tie them down to either holes poked in the pot, or a base string tied around the edge of it. The goal is to spider the branches out so they can get more light.
 
Iamlegend2121

Iamlegend2121

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Another thing is I don't want the fan leaves digging into the dirt if I bent it over the fan leaves would be squished into the soil is that a problem?
 
NietzscheKeen

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Ok, look. Outside IS better. The lower leaves may be shaded, but they are still getting sunlight so don't worry. Leaves are translucent and the shaded leaves are getting "ambient" light which is still great. I find my plants do better in filtered sunlight anyway. Stretching isn't a bad thing unless you have a height restriction. Do you? I grow outside because I'm able to let my plants get as big as they can. If you plant is still in it's vegetative state, you can still LST it. It if was already in flower, I'm not sure if it would do you too much good; better just to leave it alone. Are you hoping to LST because you're concerned about the lower branches not getting as much sun as the top?

If you want to LST them, do so carefully at this point. Be sure to spread the pressure points out a bit. In other words, don't just tie the tip down and leave the rest of the plant. You'll likely come back to a plant that has had it's tip broken off. Give it a gradual slope to 90 degrees. If you have to stop at 45 because you feel you are putting too much strain on the plant, that is fine. You can begin to train it as it grows. As short as your plant is, I'd recommend bending it slightly and tying it down, then bend the new growth over as it grows.

Are you in the southern hemisphere? Because you shouldn't need any supplemental lighting at this point. Also, don't start pulling leaves off of your plant as many people will suggest. That's retarded. Yeah air flow is important, but it's more of a concern when growing indoors because often the plants are sealed in a room and will grow mold or catch disease right away because of the moisture level. If you plant is outside, you'll get plenty of sun and fresh air; two of molds biggest enemies.

Your plant it looking very healthy though. Good job. Is it in a 5 gallon bucket?

It's not ideal to have your leaves touching the dirt. Just lst it so that it is horizontal with the ground. If you're paranoid about the amount of sun the plant gets, you can use some wire and write the branches out at 90 degree angles as well. Just do a youtube search for "how to wire bonsai" and you should find some good videos explaining how to do this. But really, like I said. Those leaves get more light than you think. They can only "process" so much light at a time anyway. One of the great things about the sun is it moves, so while it may be in filtered sunlight at one point it may get direct sunlight at another point.
 
Iamlegend2121

Iamlegend2121

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Height restraint is no issue I just assumed that since the lower nodes were stretching so much that they were not getting adequate light and no I am not in the Southern Hemisphere I am in the northern hemisphere and it is a 7 gallon pot even though I now realize that might not be enough I am also growing a autobomb greenhouse seeds in a five gallon pot thinking that was enough turned out it was rootbound and almost dying still proud of it though I'm going to throw in a pic just because should I get a bigger pot for my outdoor cheese????
 

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Guccizillaa

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NietzscheKeen said:
Ok, look. Outside IS better. The lower leaves may be shaded, but they are still getting sunlight so don't worry. Leaves are translucent and the shaded leaves are getting "ambient" light which is still great. I find my plants do better in filtered sunlight anyway. Stretching isn't a bad thing unless you have a height restriction. Do you? I grow outside because I'm able to let my plants get as big as they can. If you plant is still in it's vegetative state, you can still LST it. It if was already in flower, I'm not sure if it would do you too much good; better just to leave it alone. Are you hoping to LST because you're concerned about the lower branches not getting as much sun as the top?

If you want to LST them, do so carefully at this point. Be sure to spread the pressure points out a bit. In other words, don't just tie the tip down and leave the rest of the plant. You'll likely come back to a plant that has had it's tip broken off. Give it a gradual slope to 90 degrees. If you have to stop at 45 because you feel you are putting too much strain on the plant, that is fine. You can begin to train it as it grows. As short as your plant is, I'd recommend bending it slightly and tying it down, then bend the new growth over as it grows.

Are you in the southern hemisphere? Because you shouldn't need any supplemental lighting at this point. Also, don't start pulling leaves off of your plant as many people will suggest. That's retarded. Yeah air flow is important, but it's more of a concern when growing indoors because often the plants are sealed in a room and will grow mold or catch disease right away because of the moisture level. If you plant is outside, you'll get plenty of sun and fresh air; two of molds biggest enemies.

Your plant it looking very healthy though. Good job. Is it in a 5 gallon bucket?

It's not ideal to have your leaves touching the dirt. Just lst it so that it is horizontal with the ground. If you're paranoid about the amount of sun the plant gets, you can use some wire and write the branches out at 90 degree angles as well. Just do a youtube search for "how to wire bonsai" and you should find some good videos explaining how to do this. But really, like I said. Those leaves get more light than you think. They can only "process" so much light at a time anyway. One of the great things about the sun is it moves, so while it may be in filtered sunlight at one point it may get direct sunlight at another point.
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NietzscheKeen

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Indirect light or not enough light will cause a plant to stretch, but usually this stretching is accompanied by the plant having weak spindly stems and branches. There is a difference between stretching and fast healthy growth. I'm sure you know this, but plants do tend to hit a growth spurt before they begin flowering. It sounds like you've done a good enough job of controlling the light/dark period, so hopefully it won't flower before you are ready.

As far as the bigger pot, sure... bigger is almost always better. So, if you can afford one and can manage to move it around if that need comes, then go for it. I've grown some surprisingly large plants in some rather small pots though, so don't let it scare you. If worse comes to worst, you are allowed to prune back the roots of the plant. This will cause a bit of shock, but the plant will recover nicely.
 
bf80255

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So im retarded because my plants have a dramatic decrease in the incidence of powdery mildew when i clean out the few spindly branches and leaves in the center of a bush? I dont know how you grow or who you are but come on guy different methids apply in different parts of the world please dont call me names because our opinions differ haha Anyway, yeah when they get a bit older and thicker it takes more time to train them but just start slow with the uppermost pliable parts of the stem tying then down witb garden ties or string should be fine and over time just keep bending as the plant grows molding and shaping as you like, and there are a ton of different ways to do it just search lst on riu and youll get more than you could possibly read on the subject im sure.
 
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