TRUMP INDICTED
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BudmanTX
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that it would
DIY-HP-LED
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Naw, ya want him fucking with the republicans right up to the primaries at least, he can give the democrats useful majorities by dividing the idiots. Those whom the Gods wish to destroy they first make mad!
BudmanTX
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naw the obstruction and the rest of the documents were found in florida total of a 103 of them, that why there is a floridian grand juryI think most of the documents and obstruction charges will be made in DC and some could be brought in Florida, especially for the staff and aids there. Much has to do with the national archives and DOJ in DC and documents stolen from there but there are additional crimes committed just in Florida by Trump and others. We won't have too long to find out, in leaks are happening daily, Donald is panicking and so are others since Mark is squealing!
DIY-HP-LED
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They have cause for DC for a lot of it, we will see soon enough, I figure since indictments should drop from both soon and perhaps be consolidated under one federal judge in DC. I don't believe we will have to wait very long and neither does Donald who is sweating bullets as the walls close in. Let's see if he gets bail, after when he goes down, that will be the next question after the judge owns his ass upon arrangement and will Jack oppose his release...
DIY-HP-LED
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BREAKING: DOJ Prepared to INDICT Trump as Meadows Makes STUNNING Move
Special Counsel Jack Smith is ready to indict Donald Trump as early as this week and that Mark Meadows has agreed to plead guilty to several federal charges as part of a deal he has already received for limited immunity in exchange for his testimony.
DIY-HP-LED
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WORST DAY YET for Trump in Federal Inquiry
14,149 views Jun 7, 2023
The moment Harry has been waiting for… Mark Meadows has testified before Jack Smith’s grand jury in the January 6th federal inquiry. Harry explains what his testimony means and why this is such an important step in Jack Smith’s broader investigation.
CunningCanuk
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I’m getting a “Sammy the bull” vibe with this Meadows development. It looks like the latest teflon don is going down.
DIY-HP-LED
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Prosecutors seeking Trump indictment on obstruction and Espionage Act charges
The Independent has learned that prosecutors are prepared to ask grand jurors to vote on charges as early as Thursday
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Prosecutors seeking Trump indictment on obstruction and Espionage Act charges
The Independent has learned that prosecutors are prepared to ask grand jurors to vote on charges as early as Thursdaywww.independent.co.uk
DIY-HP-LED
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To bail or not to bail, that will be the question! It's up to Jack if he opposes it and another Jack comes to mind, named Texeira who never got bail. Dunno exactly when he will be indicted, but the pros all say soon, a grand jury indictment and his arraignment will be the next step, after that the judge owns his ass.
DIY-HP-LED
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From burning evidence to smoking gun: See Trump nightmare witness: Melber Report
15,791 views Jun 7, 2023 #Trump #JackSmith #WhiteHouse
Top White House aide Mark Meadows testified in Special Counsel Jack Smith’s two Trump probes. It comes as The Guardian reports Trump’s lawyers have been informed he is the target of a criminal investigation in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case. In this special report, MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber breaks down why Meadows is so key in the investigation and the damning evidence.
Roger A. Shrubber
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Then he should say so, and shut his fucking lying mouth otherwise.
Roger A. Shrubber
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It's too bad all 6 three stooges have passed away, they would been naturals to star in a trump movie...
If they make a new one, Borat ans John Stewart definitely need to be in it, and roger stone can play the penguin...but i don't think roger stone is playing...
Roger A. Shrubber
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IF they need him to...They seem to have a shitload of evidence without even calling him as a witness.
He could be just as fucked as everyone else, if they don't feel they need his testimony.
You're probably right, though, it would make their job a lot easier if they flipped him like a flapjack, but i'd be fucked if i told him that. I'd make him sell his cheap ass to me, so it was clear to both of us that i OWNED him.
posted this before i got to the end of the thread...I still would have made the worm squirm...
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
it’s official: he is a target
www.nbcnews.com
Classified documents grand jury: Trump says ‘no one has told me I’m being indicted’
Latest news and live updates on the investigation into Donald Trump's handling of classified documents.
BudmanTX
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yeah he's totally going unhinged....you should see what capt cap a lot wrote today.....boy is he freaking out..almost funnyit’s official: he is a target
Classified documents grand jury: Trump says ‘no one has told me I’m being indicted’
Latest news and live updates on the investigation into Donald Trump's handling of classified documents.
printer
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‘Venue matters’: Trump charges could come from Florida federal grand jury
The late-stage presentation of evidence to a Florida grand jury is the latest sign that former President Trump may face trial in Miami as prosecutors work to insulate the Mar-a-Lago case from legal challenges stemming from location.
Special counsel Jack Smith has for months been calling witnesses before a D.C. grand jury on the matter, but a recent flurry of activity in the case – just days after Trump’s attorneys met with Justice Department prosecutors in Washington, has instead been in Florida.
This week a handful of witnesses have been appearing in Florida, including Trump aide Taylor Budowich who tweeted Wednesday that he was compelled to answer questions in the probe.
The move is a sign Smith is weighing filing charges there in addition to or instead of D.C. as defendants have a right to face trial where the alleged crime took place.
Determining the venue isn’t a low stakes decision – a defendant can move to dismiss charges they believe haven’t been brought in the correct location.
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“It signals that charges are likely to be in Florida, which also signals that I think the special counsel likely did not believe that he had venue for one or more of the charges in D.C.,” Brandon Van Grack, a former top national security lawyer with the Department of Justice who is now in private practice, told The Hill.
But bringing the charges in Florida raises other considerations.
“For viewers who might be thinking ‘Who cares as long as there are charges? Whether it’s D.C. or Florida, why does the venue matter?’ It really could make a huge difference. The jury pool is different. The judges are different,” Andrew Weissmann, who was one of the lead prosecutors on the Mueller investigation, said during an appearance on MSNBC.
“Also, D.C. is a location where the court is very used to dealing with classified information. There’s an expertise there. So in terms of speed, getting this case to trial, the venue matters.”
Trump’s legal team has been informed he is a target in the Mar-a-Lago probe, a move that usually precedes the filing of charges.
Trump could face a multitude of charges in connection with the mishandling of records at Mar-a-Lago, including Espionage Act charges for willful retention of documents, as well as obstruction of justice charges stemming from the effort to keep them.
But while the effort to recover the documents stemmed from Washington – first from the National Archives and then from the Department of Justice – the timeline of the movement of the documents is at play in the case.
Trump’s legal team argued in a Supreme Court brief that he was still president while the boxes containing the classified documents were moved to Florida.
If true, his team may be able to successfully argue to a judge that the conduct in question was initiated in the Sunshine State.
Though the Justice Department could try and make the case that Trump had involvement in the packing of the boxes during the D.C.-based transition, Van Grack notes that several circuits have determined that preparatory acts alone cannot be used to determine venue.
For obstruction of justice charges too, much of the activity appears to have occurred in Florida.
Prosecutors have zeroed in on a number of actions at Mar-a-Lago, from the failure to turn over all classified records following a subpoena last summer to video camera footage showing the movement of boxes in and out of a storage room.
A D.C. judge compelled testimony from Trump attorney Evan Corcoran after determining he may have been misled about how many documents remained at Mar-a-Lago. Corcoran returned 38 in response to the June 2022 subpoena, while the FBI found over 100 more when they searched the residence in August.
Judges can pierce attorney-client privilege if they believe legal advice was given in furtherance of a crime, and Corcoran has since recused himself from the case.
Most recently, CNN reported that prosecutors have also been asked questions about the flooding of the room that housed the servers that stored the security footage after a Mar-a-Lago employee drained a pool.
Obstruction charges in this case require proving a defendant knowingly concealed records and that they knowingly sought to impede an investigation.
While subpoenas for the documents and video footage may have been issued in Washington, the D.C. circuit has held that the venue must be tied to where the unlawful conduct was committed.
On that front, prosecutors could be eyeing charges for more than just Trump.
Justice Department officials have also been examining Walt Nauta, Trump’s valet who was spotted on security camera footage moving some of the boxes.
Tim Parlatore, who until last month served as one of Trump’s attorneys in the matter and who has maintained the former president should not face charges in the probe, said there would be no basis for charging Nauta in D.C., while the same holds true for Trump.
“Ultimately I haven’t seen anything in this case that would indicate that D.C. has jurisdiction. It’s something that when [top DOJ prosecutor] Jay Bratt opened the investigation, he started with a D.C. grand jury. I don’t think they had any basis to believe that there was jurisdiction in D.C. but that’s what he did. And that’s what Smith inherited,” Parlatore said.
“If they’re actually now getting down to where the rubber meets the road, they have to really consider can they make out venue.”
It’s not entirely an either/or decision for Smith.
Prosecutors could bring different charges in different jurisdictions, trying Trump in two different cases.
Some see a benefit to bringing certain charges in D.C., where judges more routinely deal with classified information and some consider the jury pool to be more favorable to the Justice Department.
On the warrant to search Mar-a-Lago, prosecutors also noted they were investigating charges for concealment or removal of government records, a crime that requires showing a willful effort to keep the government from accessing its documents.
The charge could be one of the safest bets for bringing in D.C.
“The existence of a separate grand jury in Florida considering evidence in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case strongly suggests that there may be *two* indictments due to venue issues, as there was in the [Paul] Manafort case,” Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor, wrote on Twitter, referencing Trump’s former campaign manager.
“Certain potential crimes occurred *only* in Florida.”
But Van Grack said he doesn’t think that’s likely given DOJ’s own timeline considerations.
“It’s not that you can’t bring charges into different districts. But let’s also keep in mind, the special counsel, the Department of Justice has to try this case as quickly as possible to minimize the impact on the election. So the notion of bringing two different cases in two districts, I think would seem unlikely,” he said.
“You can do it. It delays things. It takes additional time. And I think it would be unlikely considering the time pressure that the Department of Justice is under to pursue that course.”
Weissmann on Thursday wrote that the safest bet is to bring the case in Florida.
“All else being equal, the prudent prosecutor will be reluctant to choose a venue where, if the government gets the venue decision wrong, it cannot proceed to try the defendant in another district for her crimes,” he wrote.
“Thus, although Florida may be a less advantageous district for the government — given its jury pool and its judges, who are less steeped in handling classified document cases…Florida is legally a less risky venue at this juncture.”
thehill.com
The late-stage presentation of evidence to a Florida grand jury is the latest sign that former President Trump may face trial in Miami as prosecutors work to insulate the Mar-a-Lago case from legal challenges stemming from location.
Special counsel Jack Smith has for months been calling witnesses before a D.C. grand jury on the matter, but a recent flurry of activity in the case – just days after Trump’s attorneys met with Justice Department prosecutors in Washington, has instead been in Florida.
This week a handful of witnesses have been appearing in Florida, including Trump aide Taylor Budowich who tweeted Wednesday that he was compelled to answer questions in the probe.
The move is a sign Smith is weighing filing charges there in addition to or instead of D.C. as defendants have a right to face trial where the alleged crime took place.
Determining the venue isn’t a low stakes decision – a defendant can move to dismiss charges they believe haven’t been brought in the correct location.
ADVERTISING
“It signals that charges are likely to be in Florida, which also signals that I think the special counsel likely did not believe that he had venue for one or more of the charges in D.C.,” Brandon Van Grack, a former top national security lawyer with the Department of Justice who is now in private practice, told The Hill.
But bringing the charges in Florida raises other considerations.
“For viewers who might be thinking ‘Who cares as long as there are charges? Whether it’s D.C. or Florida, why does the venue matter?’ It really could make a huge difference. The jury pool is different. The judges are different,” Andrew Weissmann, who was one of the lead prosecutors on the Mueller investigation, said during an appearance on MSNBC.
“Also, D.C. is a location where the court is very used to dealing with classified information. There’s an expertise there. So in terms of speed, getting this case to trial, the venue matters.”
Trump’s legal team has been informed he is a target in the Mar-a-Lago probe, a move that usually precedes the filing of charges.
Trump could face a multitude of charges in connection with the mishandling of records at Mar-a-Lago, including Espionage Act charges for willful retention of documents, as well as obstruction of justice charges stemming from the effort to keep them.
But while the effort to recover the documents stemmed from Washington – first from the National Archives and then from the Department of Justice – the timeline of the movement of the documents is at play in the case.
Trump’s legal team argued in a Supreme Court brief that he was still president while the boxes containing the classified documents were moved to Florida.
If true, his team may be able to successfully argue to a judge that the conduct in question was initiated in the Sunshine State.
Though the Justice Department could try and make the case that Trump had involvement in the packing of the boxes during the D.C.-based transition, Van Grack notes that several circuits have determined that preparatory acts alone cannot be used to determine venue.
For obstruction of justice charges too, much of the activity appears to have occurred in Florida.
Prosecutors have zeroed in on a number of actions at Mar-a-Lago, from the failure to turn over all classified records following a subpoena last summer to video camera footage showing the movement of boxes in and out of a storage room.
A D.C. judge compelled testimony from Trump attorney Evan Corcoran after determining he may have been misled about how many documents remained at Mar-a-Lago. Corcoran returned 38 in response to the June 2022 subpoena, while the FBI found over 100 more when they searched the residence in August.
Judges can pierce attorney-client privilege if they believe legal advice was given in furtherance of a crime, and Corcoran has since recused himself from the case.
Most recently, CNN reported that prosecutors have also been asked questions about the flooding of the room that housed the servers that stored the security footage after a Mar-a-Lago employee drained a pool.
Obstruction charges in this case require proving a defendant knowingly concealed records and that they knowingly sought to impede an investigation.
While subpoenas for the documents and video footage may have been issued in Washington, the D.C. circuit has held that the venue must be tied to where the unlawful conduct was committed.
On that front, prosecutors could be eyeing charges for more than just Trump.
Justice Department officials have also been examining Walt Nauta, Trump’s valet who was spotted on security camera footage moving some of the boxes.
Tim Parlatore, who until last month served as one of Trump’s attorneys in the matter and who has maintained the former president should not face charges in the probe, said there would be no basis for charging Nauta in D.C., while the same holds true for Trump.
“Ultimately I haven’t seen anything in this case that would indicate that D.C. has jurisdiction. It’s something that when [top DOJ prosecutor] Jay Bratt opened the investigation, he started with a D.C. grand jury. I don’t think they had any basis to believe that there was jurisdiction in D.C. but that’s what he did. And that’s what Smith inherited,” Parlatore said.
“If they’re actually now getting down to where the rubber meets the road, they have to really consider can they make out venue.”
It’s not entirely an either/or decision for Smith.
Prosecutors could bring different charges in different jurisdictions, trying Trump in two different cases.
Some see a benefit to bringing certain charges in D.C., where judges more routinely deal with classified information and some consider the jury pool to be more favorable to the Justice Department.
On the warrant to search Mar-a-Lago, prosecutors also noted they were investigating charges for concealment or removal of government records, a crime that requires showing a willful effort to keep the government from accessing its documents.
The charge could be one of the safest bets for bringing in D.C.
“The existence of a separate grand jury in Florida considering evidence in the Mar-a-Lago classified documents case strongly suggests that there may be *two* indictments due to venue issues, as there was in the [Paul] Manafort case,” Renato Mariotti, a former federal prosecutor, wrote on Twitter, referencing Trump’s former campaign manager.
“Certain potential crimes occurred *only* in Florida.”
But Van Grack said he doesn’t think that’s likely given DOJ’s own timeline considerations.
“It’s not that you can’t bring charges into different districts. But let’s also keep in mind, the special counsel, the Department of Justice has to try this case as quickly as possible to minimize the impact on the election. So the notion of bringing two different cases in two districts, I think would seem unlikely,” he said.
“You can do it. It delays things. It takes additional time. And I think it would be unlikely considering the time pressure that the Department of Justice is under to pursue that course.”
Weissmann on Thursday wrote that the safest bet is to bring the case in Florida.
“All else being equal, the prudent prosecutor will be reluctant to choose a venue where, if the government gets the venue decision wrong, it cannot proceed to try the defendant in another district for her crimes,” he wrote.
“Thus, although Florida may be a less advantageous district for the government — given its jury pool and its judges, who are less steeped in handling classified document cases…Florida is legally a less risky venue at this juncture.”
‘Venue matters’: Trump charges could come from Florida federal grand jury
The late-stage presentation of evidence to a Florida grand jury is the latest sign that former President Trump may face trial in Miami as prosecutors work to insulate the Mar-a-Lago case from legal…
thehill.com
Hugo Phurst
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I just found out the reason why - during her testimony she admitted that she couldn't tell if he was assaulting her with his finger or his dick, I knew his prick is small but dammm....
DIY-HP-LED
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To get a deal Mark will have to sell out everybody and the more congress people and senators he helps to convict the more time he shaves off. Lindsey is vulnerable in Georgia and his ass would be worth a bit and the maga crowd in congress looks really nervous to me and have been making threats and noises. Mark could get a walk for blowing congress wide open and busting Gym Jordan and a host of others, Mark knows everybody who requested a pardon and there were a lot of them. Mark has nobody to sell out other than republicans, Trump is going down over the documents first and fast leaving them all holding the bag over J6. Donald will be gone for life when convicted for the MAL crimes and they are getting him as a bonus, Mark will plead guilty to a conspiracy and finger the others involved in the conspiracy from the witness stand.