ttystikk
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Uh oh, it's on now!
Ttystikk's vertical goodness
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ttystikk
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Yeah, I just spent 30 minutes listening to my crew tell me it won't work.Building 45 gallon SIPs for my new room. I'll mention you in a comment when I start that portion of my build. You might find it interesting
Jp.the.pope
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Won't work period, or unnecessary for the results you're looking for?
ttystikk
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A. won't work
B. it's more work lol
C. why not just use 10/20/30 gallon pots?
I'm shooting for three pounders, one does not get such yields unless all of the plant's needs are well seen to, all of the time.
No matter how big the pot is, it's still a guessing game to figure out how much to water. I'd really rather just let plant take all it wants, then I don't have to worry about being the weak link in the chain.
pop22
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Why is it a guessing game, how much to water? Get the wicks right, no guessing, the medium saturates x percentage and holds. My diy pot worked very well. That auto would have exceeded a pound if I had not had to chop 3 weeks early due to f'n sipermites!
switch my soil for 20 gallons of coco, I suspect it would be possible to exceed 2 pounds. Maybe even three, I've never contemplated a plant that big indoors.....lol!
Feed the bottom res thru a float valve from a main res so that there is always the same volume in the res below the pot. That's how auto pots work and they are a very effective system because your plants have a continuous supply of nutrients at always the same ppm and ph.
If your going to feed nutrients, skip using soil. 70/30 coco perlite would be what I'd use, its working well in my auto pots. I see no benefit in using soil for anything but organic.
switch my soil for 20 gallons of coco, I suspect it would be possible to exceed 2 pounds. Maybe even three, I've never contemplated a plant that big indoors.....lol!
Feed the bottom res thru a float valve from a main res so that there is always the same volume in the res below the pot. That's how auto pots work and they are a very effective system because your plants have a continuous supply of nutrients at always the same ppm and ph.
If your going to feed nutrients, skip using soil. 70/30 coco perlite would be what I'd use, its working well in my auto pots. I see no benefit in using soil for anything but organic.
ttystikk
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You and I are thinking exactly the same thing.
Afgan King
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Idk why you won't just spend a qp on nutes to get guaranteed results with my system lol the engineer in you wants to adjust it and so did we but craft made 100 million last year on this system lol it's already perfect
Afgan King
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Let me put it this way buddy my partner has had only 4 crops this year and brought in over 240k... nutrient cost 8k for the year......if you just give in to me all the way temps humidity everything you would be slaying it bigger and better easy I have no doubts of this I have 20 plants 8 different strains in here all 100% fed same nutrient schedule no difference except the physical amount they drink all the same strength and I never burn.....ever you know this you know what I pull down you know the numbers and rhe quality on everything in the room nothing doesn't hit. Please give me one run with canna in flower on 1 led rack and I will bet whatever you like you'll destroy your record guaranteed. I don't even burn cookies with the same nutes that make gg4 and the og kush happy. This system is flawless if you give into it. I know you love your dry nutes but that schedule isn't as good as this one 
ttystikk
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Dood, what is your biggest plant from one of those buckets? my best is 20 zips. From a five gallon bucket. I'm just not buying the story that there's a problem with my nutes!
I'm not knocking your style, it works great. But your return per square foot of floor space isn't on par with what I'm doing, either. But am I on your thread telling you to 'give in'? Nope.
Different strokes. Speaking of which, includes different lighting. You're running under SE HPS, a proven setup. My job isn't to just recreate what's been done, but to find ways to improve on it. Often, that means pushing things to see how far they'll go, occasionally even to the breaking point.
BTW, how many square feet does your partner run to get those numbers?
Afgan King
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20' x 20' and I'm not knocking your style but there's things in canna that you don't use and the ratios are different we know that cuz they burn at 2.7ec for you but not at 4 ec for me. I've never knocked your style I love the vertical I just know how you can do more. We're pulling about the same per watt correct?
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Afgan King
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I just don't get how nutes are the spot you wanna stay cheapest at when they really aren't that expensive and you dropped like grands on grands on everything else. And it could be guaranteed consistent Everytime.
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ttystikk
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Looks like it's time for a good old game of head to head, eh? We can run it for a cycle and see for ourselves!
Afgan King
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Yessir January I'll buy you a round of nutes and run a rack how I want for a good ole grow off. I don't want u to get jealous when I only have to see them every other day or every third
ttystikk
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In the meantime it is agreed that we shitcan the 5 gallon buckets and run 10 gallon tubs from here on out.Yessir January I'll buy you a round of nutes and run a rack how I want for a good ole grow off. I don't want u to get jealous when I only have to see them every other day or every third
Gonna try that SIPS setup to help yields and reduce workload.
Afgan King
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Yup said it at the beginning lol I knew too small cuz i fill 7 gals and no where near the size of yours. Not a huge fan of sips but we'll get the side by side
pop22
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8k on nutes? So you buy into the nutrient bullshit companies hand out? Its all NPK and 17 micros. Put it in a bottle that's 92% water, for 20times what its worth,. Show me what's worthwhile in bottled nutes that aren't in dry nutes. Its all over priced bullshit designed to grow the companies bank account bigger and your wallet smaller
ands what does this mean, "there's things in canna that you don't use"??? That statement is meaningless without explanation.
TTY's got it right, don't piss away money on shit you don't need!
ands what does this mean, "there's things in canna that you don't use"??? That statement is meaningless without explanation.
TTY's got it right, don't piss away money on shit you don't need!
DesertHydro
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i like my powders. won't ever go back. Growmau5 did a side by side with jacks 3/2/1 and some other brand with all their additives and there was ONLY A 2 GRAM DIFFERENCE. im happy with it. it's economical and my plants seem to like it. there might be better out there, but i would think the difference is minimal.
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Afgan King
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On shit you don't need? Do you feed over 60+ strains the same nutrient mix without any burn? I run forum cookies bubba kush all ogs on the same schedule I'll run with gg4, lemon g, and other huge yielder that can take whatever nutes you give em. My room never has 1 leaf with a deficiency period. I never have to check my ec it's already set even feeding cookies at 2500 ppm or ec 5 no ill effects. Idk bout u but I watch everyone has issues. And wtf is 8k to make a quarter million. You can't be any good at business if spending 8k to make a quarter million is too much for u. Craft made 100 million and spent 100,000 on nutes in one year... That's nothing means nothing and i can run any strain on the same schedule and get it to bang out at its best. Say what you want but its consistent and works for every strain and never have to 2nd guess. Sorry that a lil bit of money on nutes scares you too much oh god 500$ to run 40 plants start to finish over 100 days each.....but ya wayyyyy to much money cuz i mean not like our shit doesn't sell in like week 6 of flowering....oh wait it does it always does. Again I do this for a living I understand i am feeding salts but your saltwater unlike mine doesn't have the same microbials and you don't run an enzyme or anything. I run a basic 5 part system.....oooooh scary
Afgan King
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That's not this schedule tho we pull more per light than nayone I know over tons of lights. How many people u know pulling 2.47 a light over 14 lights? I mean largest indoor personal grow ive seen and i know of two other 100 light warehouses in Denver that run same system and pull 10-15lbs a week. Keep your salts keep your headache I'll keep not thinking and neve have an issue ever because I'm willing to pay for a lil thing called peace of mind. That means more to me than others saying im an idiot cuz i use bottled nutes. I like being able to have a friend feed and not having a worry in the world about messing up cuz if he can't do basic math and he it ph's itself Everytime and ec always perfect.