Ttystikk's vertical goodness

firsttimeARE

firsttimeARE

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Heres a beast of a plant about 4 weeks in using your RDWC system. Probably be my first 2 lb plant.

I added 2 sites to make it an 8 site and I dont know...seems like the water level in the tote with the pump gets low quickly. I tried raising the totes with plants in them to get a higher water level in the pump tote but now i think my problem is so much water is in the lines feeding the totes and theres so much resistance pulling back to the main tote that its being pumped faster than it can run back.

I also dont want to overfill the main tote in case the pump burns out or a power outage and all the water equalizes and spills out over the top of the main tote.

I think the solution would be adding another route back to the main tote like i have on my 12 gal rdwc. One bulkhead per side. This 27gal tote
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m4s73r

m4s73r

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You can but were talking a little diferent style of vertical growing, but still IMO its vertical. A picture as an example.

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I think you could build someting in a 5x5 and copy this. or maybe a 4x8. Seen pictures where they were stacked 10 high.
 
pop22

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picture LEDs on the front and back of a water cooled heatsink, and the meat in a sandwich, then think how many you could stack in a room. A more efficient use of space than using circular trellises.

firsttimeARE said:
Is LEDs even the rights light for vert? Bulbs make sense cause when bulbs are horizontal you are only making use of one side. LED light all you have is one side. Doing vert led seems like the only benefit is less footprint.
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pop22

pop22

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Sounds to me like you need a lower volume pump. RDWC doesn't need to recirculate rapidly, it just needs to keep the water moving.

firsttimeARE said:
Heres a beast of a plant about 4 weeks in using your RDWC system. Probably be my first 2 lb plant.

I added 2 sites to make it an 8 site and I dont know...seems like the water level in the tote with the pump gets low quickly. I tried raising the totes with plants in them to get a higher water level in the pump tote but now i think my problem is so much water is in the lines feeding the totes and theres so much resistance pulling back to the main tote that its being pumped faster than it can run back.

I also dont want to overfill the main tote in case the pump burns out or a power outage and all the water equalizes and spills out over the top of the main tote.

I think the solution would be adding another route back to the main tote like i have on my 12 gal rdwc. One bulkhead per side. This 27gal tote
System only has 3
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firsttimeARE

firsttimeARE

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pop22 said:
Sounds to me like you need a lower volume pump. RDWC doesn't need to recirculate rapidly, it just needs to keep the water moving.
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Yeah the 27gal 8 site has a 1000gph pump. Though my 12gal 8 site has a 550gph and doesnt have these issues.
 
pop22

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Light saving? Do you mean energy savings? Then no, there is not. There is only one way to do that, increase efficiency and we are captive to the industry on that matter. And if I can grow 48 sq.ft of bud instead of 16 sq.ft. in a 4x4 space say, isn't that still a more efficient use of available space?

firsttimeARE said:
I acknowledged the space saving aspect. But there really is no light per growing square foot savings.
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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firsttimeARE said:
Is LEDs even the rights light for vert? Bulbs make sense cause when bulbs are horizontal you are only making use of one side. LED light all you have is one side. Doing vert led seems like the only benefit is less footprint.
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Au contraire, my friend! LED lighting is absolutely the cat's pajamas for vertical grows, precisely because the light is directional; now you just aim it exactly where it needs to go.
 
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ttystikk said:
Au contraire, my friend! LED lighting is absolutely the cat's pajamas for vertical grows, precisely because the light is directional; now you just aim it exactly where it needs to go.
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Really? This is great as I got leds and wanna explore this later on.
But also thought the only bonus would be footprint with leds. And that with bulbs, efficency would maybe exceed the leds cause of the big area.
 
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ttystikk

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Destroyer of chairs said:
Really? This is great as I got leds and wanna explore this later on.
But also thought the only bonus would be footprint with leds. And that with bulbs, efficency would maybe exceed the leds cause of the big area.
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Not really, for several reasons. First, HID lamp efficiency isn't as good as decent quality LED lighting, that remains true whatever the orientation. Second, the omnidirectional nature of HID lamps is really only an advantage when growing vertically in a round silo, where the entire inner surface is an optimal distance from the light source. These have their problems, including the round grow in a square room issue. Finally, if you're growing a vertical wall, then the HID lamps will shine down the aisle, wasting a lot of Watts on concrete where it isn't doing you any good.

Ok, now THAT'S covered, let me tell you why you want to run LED lights vertically; because you can grow on a flat wall and the lights will shine directly on it. Hang the LED lighting vertically, you'll need maybe 30" between lighting and canopy, and voila! There's your aisle.

Ask me anything; I know ALL the answers about this approach :hump:
 
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ttystikk said:
Not really, for several reasons. First, HID lamp efficiency isn't as good as decent quality LED lighting, that remains true whatever the orientation. Second, the omnidirectional nature of HID lamps is really only an advantage when growing vertically in a round silo, where the entire inner surface is an optimal distance from the light source. These have their problems, including the round grow in a square room issue. Finally, if you're growing a vertical wall, then the HID lamps will shine down the aisle, wasting a lot of Watts on concrete where it isn't doing you any good.

Ok, now THAT'S covered, let me tell you why you want to run LED lights vertically; because you can grow on a flat wall and the lights will shine directly on it. Hang the LED lighting vertically, you'll need maybe 30" between lighting and canopy, and voila! There's your aisle.

Ask me anything; I know ALL the answers about this approach :hump:
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Aware that HID lamps are not as efficient, but yeah I was thinking the silo could possible make up for it, or exceed it cause of the 360° coverage. I'm glad u put that to bed :D

How do you do about air circulation? Blasting anything on the wall or just between lights and canopy?
Right now I can't put more lights in that room cause of heat. But when I get cooling in order, vertical is coming next! Does it truly translate directly, 1m2 flat = 1m2 vert, in yield? Cause that is freakin tempting!

My man, appreciate the will to help, truly. Been here long enough to know that u know vertical hah. Very informative threads. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.

Edit. Bonus questions:
do Ur lights get dirty faster when hanged vert?
If so, how do u clean Ur boards if they don't have diods covered up?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Destroyer of chairs said:
Aware that HID lamps are not as efficient, but yeah I was thinking the silo could possible make up for it, or exceed it cause of the 360° coverage. I'm glad u put that to bed :D

How do you do about air circulation? Blasting anything on the wall or just between lights and canopy?
Right now I can't put more lights in that room cause of heat. But when I get cooling in order, vertical is coming next! Does it truly translate directly, 1m2 flat = 1m2 vert, in yield? Cause that is freakin tempting!

My man, appreciate the will to help, truly. Been here long enough to know that u know vertical hah. Very informative threads. Thanks for sharing the knowledge.

Edit. Bonus questions:
do Ur lights get dirty faster when hanged vert?
If so, how do u clean Ur boards if they don't have diods covered up?
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Just do the usual with air circulation.

Yes, horizontal and vertical square footage are comparable IF you train your plants properly; it's not automatic.

All of my LED fixtures were covered and I recommend in any indoor facility that no matter what the orientation is. To clean LED lights unplug them, let them cool and then use a clean just damp cloth. No fancy cleaners, just water.
 
Kind Sir

Kind Sir

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This is like exactly what I want to do, hang my Scorpion R Spec vertically and use the trellis but use soil. Few simple questions.

1. How far away was your LED from the plants?

2. My LED SAYS it can cover a 6x6 Veg and 5x5 Flower, what do you think would be the best pot size to use? I’ve only done coco once so rather would do soil I think.

3. Any tips on best way to train the plant through the trellis? You think you’d be better off having less shoots, and just having a handful or so of bigger shoots?


gr865 said:
Hey Paulie, our methods are a bit different, you RDWC and my Coco, but our screening and lighting is set up fairly close.
I am interested in you trimming back to 6 mains, keep me informed on that please. I use individual screens, 5 separate plants each has it's own screen. I do this so I can move the plants in and out of the tent to work on them.
As far as pinning them back I have found that the thick chenille stems work great, they can be bent to your needs an easily attach to the screen.
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Look forward to this next grow of yours and good luck.

GR
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gr865

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Kind Sir said:
This is like exactly what I want to do, hang my Scorpion R Spec vertically and use the trellis but use soil. Few simple questions.

1. How far away was your LED from the plants?

2. My LED SAYS it can cover a 6x6 Veg and 5x5 Flower, what do you think would be the best pot size to use? I’ve only done coco once so rather would do soil I think.

3. Any tips on best way to train the plant through the trellis? You think you’d be better off having less shoots, and just having a handful or so of bigger shoots?
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1. Have not run vert with LED's yet.

2. In coco I use 2 gallon pots for both vertical and horizontal grows.

3. I don't train the plant through the trellis, I tie the plants back to the trellis.

I use soft ties (craft pipe cleaners) to tie the plants to the trellis.
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The back side of the plant/trellis show tied branches with soft ties.
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As you can see I don't tie them tight to the trellis, don't want to damage the branch. I make a loose loop over the branch and fasten it to the trellis.
 
TheChemist77

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ttystikk said:
Just do the usual with air circulation.

Yes, horizontal and vertical square footage are comparable IF you train your plants properly; it's not automatic.

All of my LED fixtures were covered and I recommend in any indoor facility that no matter what the orientation is. To clean LED lights unplug them, let them cool and then use a clean just damp cloth. No fancy cleaners, just water.
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Hey tty, remember me? I spent the last 2 years laying low after a major raid, but it’s all legal now so I’m gonna start again, looking to go to led lighting.
 
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