right ive gone back over them all and from what i can tell you dont like the porn industry as you think all the women in it are weak and have no options and are easily manipulated?
i think that is very belittling to the adult women who made the choice to join the industry. thats not to say its a perfect industry but to blame all emotional troubles of women within the industry on the industry i dont get how?
using august ames as an example as well i dont see any evidence that her emotional troubles were linked to being in the pron industry and i know plenty of people that have depression that have never done porn
now you can accuse me of watching "rape porn" because i do not agree with your hatred of porn all you want but its a bit pathetic i think
i do not have any idea at all what you are talking about tho when you say this is "This is a classic case of turning workers against each other to take heat off the beneficiaries of the systematic fuckery. "
you might not like porn but the cat is well and truely out of the bag and it isnt going to go away as much as you shake your fist at it and tell it to get off your lawn
To most of these arguments, I can say "fair enough" and agree. I was using hyperbole, ballbreaking on a forum of ballbreakers. I also agree, that the "cat's not going back in the bag". I don't think it would be a good idea to try to criminalize any of it, that's not my angle at all.
To be very specific, I am blaming those who consume and abuse porn for the depths to which porn producers go to produce ever more degrading and depraved scenes with ever more fresh and new faces. I am saying that this "industry" consumes young women. Yes, they made the choice to join the industry, just like sweat shop workers in Bangladesh made the choice to work in sweat shops. In most cases, it was what seemed to be the most rewarding work available to them, commensurate with their skills.
I will also clarify, again, what I meant by the "classic case of turning workers against each other" thing. You see, Ames was very clearly working against the economic interests of her peers, fellow sex workers. She publicly made a very thinly veiled suggestion that they should be given less work (I get that you disagree, but you're in the minority there, her comments were harmful to the livelihood of gay men in her own "industry") when she should have been standing in solidarity with them, demanding that industry leaders do more to protect them along with herself. Those very industry leaders tend to profit wildly while the average performer makes very little. Even (the comparatively very few) high earning porn stars seem to be very troubled.
In any case, I didn't make such a drastic point of that part of my argument to you, because I know you disagree and I don't care. It does however illustrate another facet to the thesis of my arguments in this thread, that the people who run this industry are peddling harmful shit to people that are addicted to it and they are systematically seeking troubled young women in the process.
