US Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia Is A Racist POS!

Is Scalia a racist piece of shit masquerading as a Supreme Court Justice?

  • Yep. Racist.

  • Nope. Not racist. Black kids don't need to be in advanced colleges

  • Keep stomping until you're up to your neck in it

  • Tyler Durden is my hero

  • Mmmmmmmm Dooooooonuuuuuts....


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Fogdog

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Liberals are intolerant, they are all about controlling that/those which they do not like because of differing viewpoints. That's fascism.
Well, as a liberal, I'm intolerant of bigots, authoritarians, racists, and anybody that quotes FOX news. Otherwise, pretty much anything goes as far as I'm concerned. You seem to be pretty much intolerant of anybody or any view that is not biased towards European Americans. None of this is fascist. You may be a bigot and a racist but I don't put you down as a fascist.

Fascism is belligerent nationalism mixed with authoritarianism or support of dictatorship-led totalitarian single party government. That doesn't describe either major party in the US. Perhaps it describes the Klan or a fringe ultra right group. Even in Texas fascism is not of major consideration.

So, basically, you are confused. Be careful with that bottle of pills, uncle ben.
 

ttystikk

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Well, as a liberal, I'm intolerant of bigots, authoritarians, racists, and anybody that quotes FOX news. Otherwise, pretty much anything goes as far as I'm concerned. You seem to be pretty much intolerant of anybody or any view that is not biased towards European Americans. None of this is fascist. You may be a bigot and a racist but I don't put you down as a fascist.

Fascism is belligerent nationalism mixed with authoritarianism or support of dictatorship-led totalitarian single party government. That doesn't describe either major party in the US. Perhaps it describes the Klan or a fringe ultra right group. Even in Texas fascism is not of major consideration.

So, basically, you are confused. Be careful with that bottle of pills, uncle ben.
When democracy is subverted by corporate power who then also directs both military and militarized police, fascism is a reasonable descriptor. You don't need a dictator, merely a cabal of those who call the shots- will of the people be damned.
 

ol skool

Active Member
...Fascism is belligerent nationalism mixed with authoritarianism or support of dictatorship-led totalitarian single party government...
I like to give attribution to Wiki when I use them...

When democracy is subverted by corporate power who then also directs both military and militarized police, fascism is a reasonable descriptor. You don't need a dictator, merely a cabal of those who call the shots- will of the people be damned.
I'm always amused when people throw around the term fascism without understanding what it is. Read some Mussolini for a deeper understanding. The relationship of the populace to the state and the roll of corporations in a fascist state is a good place to start.

After you know what the roll of corporations is in a fascist state take a look at Hitler's development of the 'peoples car' and compare that to the development of Obamacare for a modern day example of the fascist state and corporations. Here's a hint crony capitalism isn't capitalism... it's just a PC term for what it really is.

Is Scalia a racists? Of course not. If you read the transcripts of the arguments you'll find he was asking questions about an issue brought up, 1.) in oral arguments, 2.) in briefs filed with the court.

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Fogdog

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I like to give attribution to Wiki when I use them...



I'm always amused when people throw around the term fascism without understanding what it is. Read some Mussolini for a deeper understanding. The relationship of the populace to the state and the roll of corporations in a fascist state is a good place to start.

After you know what the roll of corporations is in a fascist state take a look at Hitler's development of the 'peoples car' and compare that to the development of Obamacare for a modern day example of the fascist state and corporations. Here's a hint crony capitalism isn't capitalism... it's just a PC term for what it really is.

Is Scalia a racists? Of course not. If you read the transcripts of the arguments you'll find he was asking questions about an issue brought up, 1.) in oral arguments, 2.) in briefs filed with the court.

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Big brother, is that you?

I guess it's better that we all sit back and let you hold forth. But you are busy, so thanks for telling us what to read.:clap:
Isn't it tiresome and laughably wrong headed to compare anything Obama has done to Hitler? It usually takes a little time but you went right there. It doesn't take very long to read you.
 

ol skool

Active Member
I left you wide open to attack my logic but you didn't, I'll give you a hand.

Hey ol skool

Your logic is messed up. Why would I parrot Wiki if I was interested in having an original thought.

Fogdog

HTH
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
I left you wide open to attack my logic but you didn't, I'll give you a hand.

Hey ol skool

Your logic is messed up. Why would I parrot Wiki if I was interested in having an original thought.

Fogdog

HTH
Nah, I'm not interested in this. It's boring and dumb. You don't know what plagiarism is if you think I did it.

Now about your references to Hitler and Obama. You claim to have read up on the subject. You must know that Hitler was first arrested for trying to violently overthrow his government. He relentlessly built up a violent power base using paramilitary organizations, threats and assassination, sometimes his own staff when they became popular. When he finally obtained "legitimate power" he then subverted it thru the use of his own paramilitary. He was a brutal dictator after that. War, death camps, and all that.

Anybody that equates a modern day US elected president, Republican or Democrat doesn't know enough about who Hitler was. As far fascism is concerned, Nixon was the closest to a fascist-leaning leader that the US has ever had. So I call bullshit on these Nazi and Fascist comparisons.
 

ttystikk

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Nah, I'm not interested in this. It's boring and dumb. You don't know what plagiarism is if you think I did it.

Now about your references to Hitler and Obama. You claim to have read up on the subject. You must know that Hitler was first arrested for trying to violently overthrow his government. He relentlessly built up a violent power base using paramilitary organizations, threats and assassination, sometimes his own staff when they became popular. When he finally obtained "legitimate power" he then subverted it thru the use of his own paramilitary. He was a brutal dictator after that. War, death camps, and all that.

Anybody that equates a modern day US elected president, Republican or Democrat doesn't know enough about who Hitler was. As far fascism is concerned, Nixon was the closest to a fascist-leaning leader that the US has ever had. So I call bullshit on these Nazi and Fascist comparisons.
Interesting statement at the end; why do you feel that was Nixon more fascistic than either of the Shrubbery administrations?
 

Fogdog

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Interesting statement at the end; why do you feel that was Nixon more fascistic than either of the Shrubbery administrations?
Hitler and other Fascist parties of the early-mid part of the 20th century advocated and actively sought one party without dissent. They stopped at nothing, including murder, torture and incarceration of dissenters in a big way. Hitler organized the "brown shirts" or Stormtroopers, in the late '20's and added the SS in the mid 30's. They occupied the streets of Germany in menacing numbers. When he got into power, he gradually turned up the heat on dissent to the point where simply expressing doubt that Germany was winning the war could land a person in one of Hitler's camps, probably never to return. This was what Hitler said he would do in his book "Mein Kampf" and that's what he did. Including his ordering the extermination of Jews.

I compare Hitler and Fascism to Nixon from my own memories of police dogs sicced on war protesters, mass arrests and beatings of social activists as well as murder of leaders in the Black Power movement by police or by KKK "crazies". I believe that the Hoover and Nixon were behind the murder of Martin Luther King. Nixon had his enemies list, containing names of people who's only transgression was to say things that he felt opposed him. Also there were government sanctioned police lists everywhere of anybody that opposed Nixon's authoritarian rule. He meant to take the country into dictatorship or at least place the Republican Party into a single power status with himself at the top. I don't know if Congress would have had the guts to do it without the protests, but eventually he was pushed out of office over Watergate by dual party action in Congress. That said, Nixon was a shadow of Hitler in terms of his rush to violence and relentless, single minded pursuit of power. Even Nixon was only an echo of Hitler and not a direct comparison.

Hitler and Fascism were evil beyond anything that this country experienced. There were echos of Fascism in Bush's administration and in Obama's government as well but nothing that was as relentless and violent as what the Fascists, under Hitler, Mussolini or Franco did during their day. Bush did say early in his first term that he was going to establish Republican Party dominance in this country for decades to come but he didn't have the same lust for power and willingness to use violence that Hitler did. If Cheney were president the situation I believe may have been closer to Nixon's days but even Cheney didn't have the maniacal obsession with power that Hitler had. Cheney also was a bad shot.

That's also why I said to @ol skool that comparisons of Obama to Hitler don't make sense.

I am spooked by the "Oath Keepers" -- white guys carrying assault rifles -- that showed up armed and without invitation to Ferguson during protests about 6 mos ago. They may be nothing, but the Oath Keepers are a paramilitary organization with strong membership from the armed forces and police and entirely white male. It echos of Hitler's Stormtroopers but I don't know if somebody in power is supporting them.
 
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Fogdog

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@Fogdog Let's not forget COINTELPRO.
I had to look that one up: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2013/06/prism_j_edgar_hoover_would_have_loved_the_nsa_s_surveillance_program_topic.html

This was exactly the kind of program that I was referring to but you brought the name of the program to bear. Thanks. In the '60s and early 70's, we came pretty close to single party rule under a not so great leader.

In the Slate article they draw comparisons to PRISM but don't seem to think it PRISM has the same teeth. Still, Hoover-Nixon-Cheney would not have hesitated to put that kind of tech into his kit of anti-democracy tools.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Hitler and other Fascist parties of the early-mid part of the 20th century advocated and actively sought one party without dissent. They stopped at nothing, including murder, torture and incarceration of dissenters in a big way. Hitler organized the "brown shirts" or Stormtroopers, in the late '20's and added the SS in the mid 30's. They occupied the streets of Germany in menacing numbers. When he got into power, he gradually turned up the heat on dissent to the point where simply expressing doubt that Germany was winning the war could land a person in one of Hitler's camps, probably never to return. This was what Hitler said he would do in his book "Mein Kampf" and that's what he did. Including his ordering the extermination of Jews.

I compare Hitler and Fascism to Nixon from my own memories of police dogs sicced on war protesters, mass arrests and beatings of social activists as well as murder of leaders in the Black Power movement by police or by KKK "crazies". I believe that the Hoover and Nixon were behind the murder of Martin Luther King. Nixon had his enemies list, containing names of people who's only transgression was to say things that he felt opposed him. Also there were government sanctioned police lists everywhere of anybody that opposed Nixon's authoritarian rule. He meant to take the country into dictatorship or at least place the Republican Party into a single power status with himself at the top. I don't know if Congress would have had the guts to do it without the protests, but eventually he was pushed out of office over Watergate by dual party action in Congress. That said, Nixon was a shadow of Hitler in terms of his rush to violence and relentless, single minded pursuit of power. Even Nixon was only an echo of Hitler and not a direct comparison.

Hitler and Fascism were evil beyond anything that this country experienced. There were echos of Fascism in Bush's administration and in Obama's government as well but nothing that was as relentless and violent as what the Fascists, under Hitler, Mussolini or Franco did during their day. Bush did say early in his first term that he was going to establish Republican Party dominance in this country for decades to come but he didn't have the same lust for power and willingness to use violence that Hitler did. If Cheney were president the situation I believe may have been closer to Nixon's days but even Cheney didn't have the maniacal obsession with power that Hitler had. Cheney also was a bad shot.

That's also why I said to @ol skool that comparisons of Obama to Hitler don't make sense.

I am spooked by the "Oath Keepers" -- white guys carrying assault rifles -- that showed up armed and without invitation to Ferguson during protests about 6 mos ago. They may be nothing, but the Oath Keepers are a paramilitary organization with strong membership from the armed forces and police and entirely white male. It echos of Hitler's Stormtroopers but I don't know if somebody in power is supporting them.
Many interesting points. I'm sure Ferguson protesters and Occupy Wall Street activists would disagree with your assessment of 'less violent' behavior on the part of police today. I do, too; never before has either municipal police forces or the Federal Government stockpiled so much WARFIGHTING materiel for the express purpose of controlling/pacifying the public.

Funny how those heavily armed WHITE MALES with military backgrounds were totally unchallenged during a riot- this screamed institutionalized racism, nevermind yet another hint of fascistic tendencies.

The examples you cite of the extremity of fascism are from after these regimes consolidated their positions in power- they weren't so bold in the beginning, and why is it that nearly every 'conservative' these days looks to be as power hungry at any cost as Nixon was, or worse?
 

Fogdog

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Many interesting points. I'm sure Ferguson protesters and Occupy Wall Street activists would disagree with your assessment of 'less violent' behavior on the part of police today. I do, too; never before has either municipal police forces or the Federal Government stockpiled so much WARFIGHTING materiel for the express purpose of controlling/pacifying the public.

Funny how those heavily armed WHITE MALES with military backgrounds were totally unchallenged during a riot- this screamed institutionalized racism, nevermind yet another hint of fascistic tendencies.

The examples you cite of the extremity of fascism are from after these regimes consolidated their positions in power- they weren't so bold in the beginning, and why is it that nearly every 'conservative' these days looks to be as power hungry at any cost as Nixon was, or worse?
No argument about your comparison of police brutality of today with early days of Nazi suppression. Some of these crimes are racist and the fact that it is used terrorize members of the community that are minorities is very similar. But Fascism is much more than this.
 

ttystikk

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No argument about your comparison of police brutality of today with early days of Nazi suppression. Some of these crimes are racist and the fact that it is used terrorize members of the community that are minorities is very similar. But Fascism is much more than this.
I agree; it's about consolidation of power in the hands of those not accountable to the people... which certainly sounds like the situation unfolding in the United States today, what with oligolopostic interests blatantly buying political candidates.

The breadth of German capitalistic society was well connected with the Nazi Party, and in most other examples of fascism. In return, they got favorable treatment and a pacified workforce. The slaves came later...

On to racism; a classic tactic of fascism is to create and magnify divisions in the populace; anything to keep them fighting each other instead of the powers that be. Conservatism as currently broadcast in the media certainly tolerates virulent racism and anti Muslim speech and even behavior.

Too many pieces of the puzzle fit the fascist pattern for it to be dismissed out of hand just because there isn't an obvious dictatorial figure.

Finally, when the 'defense' industry openly bankrolls candidates for office who advocate for starting more wars, the circle closes and no other explanation fits besides fascism. How is mass murder for profit NOT a fascist policy?
 
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