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melaninTonic

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Rob Roy said:
So Putin can't move troops on his own turf, but the USA can have troops spread across their empire ringing Russia even ? Sounds legit. Pfft.

So the Federal Reserve can use the shell company they own (the United States / military) to make sure oil is traded in "U.S. dollars" (federal reserve notes) but Putin can't decide what he'll do and for how much with Russian gas ?

The United States would have done much better if it focused on independence, actual free trade alliances and stopped trying to police the world.

The chickens may come home to roost.

Incoming!!!

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The US has a lot to answer for, but you are clearly not even within sight of objectivity.
Putin has been in Ukraine territory for years now. His demands to prevent a full Russian invasion are completely irrational, and are so by design.
Like so many other despots, he cannot abide self determination and democracy. Ukraine, Sweden etc... are sovereign nations who can decide to align themselves with other democracies: they would not feel the need to if Russia were not autocratic and expansionist.

If Putin decides to allow fair elections in his country, and stops imprisoning and assassinating his political rivals and dissidents, Ukraine will no longer have an incentive to choose between alliances and will probably do very well for itself remaining neutral: precisely what Putin claims to want. Now wouldn't that be a better outcome for everyone involved (except Putin himself)?
 
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Lucky Luke said:
I agree.

There's some wars that need to be fought. Most of the ones US gets into are not. Vietnam, Iraq for eg were not those. I don't think America should get involved in Ukraine but if you have said you would (and you have) then you have to do as you say.
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Bush 1 had the right idea IMO when he smacked down Saddam for invading Kuwait in '91. Bush 2 just had daddy issues IMO with the second war.

idk much about Vietnam outside of back then the intel really is no where close to what it is today.

With Ukraine, I am not sure what is meant by getting involved that you are saying our leaders have said though. I personally am not sure we don't already have plenty of reasons for going after Russia though based on their attack on our democracy, I am glad we haven't (because war sucks), but I don't think we should be the first to jump into one with Russia over Ukraine. I think that will be a NATO decision.

Lucky Luke said:
Does anyone think it may be due to the mid terms in America coming up?
is Putin trying to make Biden look weak and to drive support back to Trump in some way?
The whole Ukraine affair seems to be big on American news services and websites such as this with a large American membership. Here its not mentioned much at all.
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I have no clue what Putin is thinking, he is a troll, so this could be some stupid attempt to get brainwashed Americans to forget about the 4 years of Trump/Republicans (6 years at least for them) bending over for Putin, but I would think it is more about testing Germany, screwing with the French elections, and the Russian planned coup in Ukraine, than it is about American elections a year from now.

CCGNZ said:
you raise good points, and I agree that Russia is wrong, but I always put myself in the opponents shoes to try to understand their mindset, and this is a potential nightmare situation. I think the paranoia of the past has Putin wanting a buffer zone or sphere of influence. He looks at the USA w/peaceful borders and ocean separating us from rivals and feels he and his country deserve a level of security. I fear that he has built up so much of a military deployment that he cannot back down now,especially w/the image he has cultivated. Something is going to happen and I just hope it's at the l.ow end of the scale
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I agree, I really hope there is a peaceful deescalation of this bullshit.
 
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CCGNZ

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
then we stomp on the shitty russian military and send them home, a lot of them in bags, and vlad nurses a bloody nose...which is what happens to a lot of bullies who overestimate how tough they are
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Military engagement w/Russia is extremely dangerous and best avoided, slippery slope and hard to keep from escalating. Are you ready for our power grid to be taken down? Are you willing to risk a Nuclear exchange? What are the benefits? Consider the history between Russia and Ukraine, Consider Russia's past history of being invaded, Nato has been pushed right up to their borders. I empathize w/the Ukranians wanting to get out from under Russian influence but I don't think it's worth the stakes involved. De -escalation and saving face for all sides is what has to prevail here, if you believe we are just simply going to stomp the Russian military in conventional terms without nukes flying you're pretty high.
 
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schuylaar

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CCGNZ said:
you raise good points, and I agree that Russia is wrong, but I always put myself in the opponents shoes to try to understand their mindset, and this is a potential nightmare situation. I think the paranoia of the past has Putin wanting a buffer zone or sphere of influence. He looks at the USA w/peaceful borders and ocean separating us from rivals and feels he and his country deserve a level of security. I fear that he has built up so much of a military deployment that he cannot back down now,especially w/the image he has cultivated. Something is going to happen and I just hope it's at the l.ow end of the scale
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but he has in the past this is part of his playbook; he will wait for an out and start to retreat- let's face it since That Man, he has to play by the worlds rule again..if you have to announce a 'holiday' to go door to door to vaccinate because your people don't trust?
 
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schuylaar

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CCGNZ said:
Military engagement w/Russia is extremely dangerous and best avoided, slippery slope and hard to keep from escalating. Are you ready for our power grid to be taken down? Are you willing to risk a Nuclear exchange? What are the benefits? Consider the history between Russia and Ukraine, Consider Russia's past history of being invaded, Nato has been pushed right up to their borders. I empathize w/the Ukranians wanting to get out from under Russian influence but I don't think it's worth the stakes involved. De -escalation and saving face for all sides is what has to prevail here, if you believe we are just simply going to stomp the Russian military in conventional terms without nukes flying you're pretty high.
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is Putin? you're thinking old school. Perhaps the thought of exchange with the Russians will remind the GOP who they really are.
 
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CCGNZ

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Well with all the anxiety going on right now, a sabre rattling situation in Eastern Europe w/a country that has over 1500 deployed nukes under the control of a guy who only knows how to dick measure and controls an army of capable cyber hackers is like being told to drink a bottle of castor oil, I mean seriously do we need shit like this right now, I can only hope w/Mr. Xi's big Olympic show coming up that this is all just bluff and bluster by Vlad for attention.
 
HGCC

HGCC

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I think Russia has been kind of teetering on collapse for a long time, Sabre rattling is a good way to try and keep that at bay and give people something to focus on. Life doesn't look that great there, I think their government is always looking for something to make the people not look at them as being the issue.
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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CCGNZ said:
Military engagement w/Russia is extremely dangerous and best avoided, slippery slope and hard to keep from escalating. Are you ready for our power grid to be taken down? Are you willing to risk a Nuclear exchange? What are the benefits? Consider the history between Russia and Ukraine, Consider Russia's past history of being invaded, Nato has been pushed right up to their borders. I empathize w/the Ukranians wanting to get out from under Russian influence but I don't think it's worth the stakes involved. De -escalation and saving face for all sides is what has to prevail here, if you believe we are just simply going to stomp the Russian military in conventional terms without nukes flying you're pretty high.
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i'm always pretty high, but putin is a still a slimy bitch, and a playground bully. he'll keep pushing until someone pushes him back...so go ahead, ignore him, let him do whatever he wants, and pretty soon he'll have the Ukraines resources to use too
 
Puff_Dragon

Puff_Dragon

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..meanwhile in the Pacific region:
Russia's ally, the CCP are preparing to invade Taiwan (and have plans for other countries).
As soon as Russia goes into Ukraine. CCP goes into Taiwan ...nice diversionary/dividing tactics.
As for their allies (most of which, were allied with Germany in WW2 - just people. forget everyone apart from Itally and Japan).
They, have been causing issues in the West for a time.

The reason this 'other side' are doing this;
because of what they have seen in the West. Via our own videos and opinions on social media. They see weakness, division, hate towards its history and policies ..at just the right levels, to trigger them to action.
Funny, when my family were serving (throughout the Cold War period). This was always how it was going to go down.
It would start by creating division in the free world. When that hit the correct numbers, a biological attack ..rolling into an eventual Hot War.
A war, I might add, that will be very different from past wars. The general public, have no idea how it will be played out (as with the past, it will differ greatly from previous wars - as war evolve).

Oh well, sleep tight ..and don't let those communist bedbugs bite!
 
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schuylaar

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CCGNZ said:
Well with all the anxiety going on right now, a sabre rattling situation in Eastern Europe w/a country that has over 1500 deployed nukes under the control of a guy who only knows how to dick measure and controls an army of capable cyber hackers is like being told to drink a bottle of castor oil, I mean seriously do we need shit like this right now, I can only hope w/Mr. Xi's big Olympic show coming up that this is all just bluff and bluster by Vlad for attention.
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there is no anxiety- this is just the normal..we are back. if you're talking about pundits? you know the saying about opinions being like arseholes?

i have noticed some papers headlines' and you know, i think they're the ones rattling sabres because the news is it's mediocre self again they have to be creative- don't let it scare you:hug:..that's what they're trying to do..it's all about readership and advertising.
 
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schuylaar

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i'm always pretty high, but putin is a still a slimy bitch, and a playground bully. he'll keep pushing until someone pushes him back...so go ahead, ignore him, let him do whatever he wants, and pretty soon he'll have the Ukraines resources to use too
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we shall see about that.
 
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schuylaar

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HGCC said:
I think Russia has been kind of teetering on collapse for a long time, Sabre rattling is a good way to try and keep that at bay and give people something to focus on. Life doesn't look that great there, I think their government is always looking for something to make the people not look at them as being the issue.
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schuylaar

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Puff_Dragon said:
..meanwhile in the Pacific region:
Russia's ally, the CCP are preparing to invade Taiwan (and have plans for other countries).
As soon as Russia goes into Ukraine. CCP goes into Taiwan ...nice diversionary/dividing tactics.
As for their allies (most of which, were allied with Germany in WW2 - just people. forget everyone apart from Itally and Japan).
They, have been causing issues in the West for a time.

The reason this 'other side' are doing this;
because of what they have seen in the West. Via our own videos and opinions on social media. They see weakness, division, hate towards its history and policies ..at just the right levels, to trigger them to action.
Funny, when my family were serving (throughout the Cold War period). This was always how it was going to go down.
It would start by creating division in the free world. When that hit the correct numbers, a biological attack ..rolling into an eventual Hot War.
A war, I might add, that will be very different from past wars. The general public, have no idea how it will be played out (as with the past, it will differ greatly from previous wars - as war evolve).

Oh well, sleep tight ..and don't let those communist bedbugs bite!
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we have drones that will attack anything and destroy including other drones which often go undetected on radar due to size. these drones have their own AI onboard when it senses it launches itself, assesses threat if the threat is within it's algorithm goes unanswered by human, the decision is made by itself. once target is destroyed it returns to its case for charging via solar panels.

so no worries, i sleep well now that i know the Successionist President is gone.

President Biden on the other hand has gotten vaccine shots into 200M people; passed both American Rescue Bill and Infrastructure Bill and so much more within his first year.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Puff_Dragon said:
..meanwhile in the Pacific region:
Russia's ally, the CCP are preparing to invade Taiwan (and have plans for other countries).
As soon as Russia goes into Ukraine. CCP goes into Taiwan ...nice diversionary/dividing tactics.
As for their allies (most of which, were allied with Germany in WW2 - just people. forget everyone apart from Itally and Japan).
They, have been causing issues in the West for a time.

The reason this 'other side' are doing this;
because of what they have seen in the West. Via our own videos and opinions on social media. They see weakness, division, hate towards its history and policies ..at just the right levels, to trigger them to action.
Funny, when my family were serving (throughout the Cold War period). This was always how it was going to go down.
It would start by creating division in the free world. When that hit the correct numbers, a biological attack ..rolling into an eventual Hot War.
A war, I might add, that will be very different from past wars. The general public, have no idea how it will be played out (as with the past, it will differ greatly from previous wars - as war evolve).

Oh well, sleep tight ..and don't let those communist bedbugs bite!
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you're speaking in past and present tense...were serving, was going to go...would start by....THAT WILL BE...
It would start by creating division in the free world....what would start? When that would hit the correct numbers...when WHAT would hit WHAT correct numbers...A biological attack? rolling into an eventual hot war....¿
what the motherfuck are you talking about? you might be able to make less sense if you just randomly picked words out of a dictionary...maybe
 
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schuylaar

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
you're speaking in past and present tense...were serving, was going to go...would start by....THAT WILL BE...
It would start by creating division in the free world....what would start? When that would hit the correct numbers...when WHAT would hit WHAT correct numbers...A biological attack? rolling into an eventual hot war....¿
what the motherfuck are you talking about? you might be able to make less sense if you just randomly picked words out of a dictionary...maybe
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he's being vague on purpose so what he is saying can be spun into being correct on his prediction- typical Rightie shit and part of goal post moving.

as you've observed he literally said nothing.
 
zeddd

zeddd

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schuylaar said:
but he has in the past this is part of his playbook; he will wait for an out and start to retreat- let's face it since That Man, he has to play by the worlds rule again..if you have to announce a 'holiday' to go door to door to vaccinate because your people don't trust?
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schuylaar said:
is Putin? you're thinking old school. Perhaps the thought of exchange with the Russians will remind the GOP who they really are.
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schuylaar said:
presented without commentbongsmilie
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schuylaar said:
we have drones that will attack anything and destroy including other drones which often go undetected on radar due to size. these drones have their own AI onboard when it senses it launches itself, assesses threat if the threat is within it's algorithm goes unanswered by human, the decision is made by itself. once target is destroyed it returns to its case for charging via solar panels.

so no worries, i sleep well now that i know the Successionist President is gone.

President Biden on the other hand has gotten vaccine shots into 200M people; passed both American Rescue Bill and Infrastructure Bill and so much more within his first year.
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schuylaar said:
he's being vague on purpose so what he is saying can be spun into being correct on his prediction- typical Rightie shit and part of goal post moving.

as you've observed he literally said nothing.
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Step away from the meth pipe
 
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