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Fogdog

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Putin is taking a page from Republicans. He's shocked and aggrieved that the US is trying to trick him into a war. I can't make shit like that up. I don't have that good of an imagination. US right wing grievance politics just turned a deeper shade of Red.

Putin accuses U.S. of trying to lure Russia into war

Russian President Vladimir Putin accused the West on Tuesday of deliberately creating a scenario designed to lure it into war and ignoring Russia's security concerns over Ukraine.


To the Putin ass kissers who troll here. Am I luring you into getting banned? lol This is def a loss for the old KGB man. He thought he could drive a wedge and split off support from NATO. What he managed to do is heal the alliance after Trump did his worst to it.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I'm sure Uncle Sam knows more, but ain't saying who, high frequency radiation is directional, but isn't too hard to detect, even in short bursts.
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Fogdog

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From 2015. Putin's strategy and why the US is at fault for the crisis in Ukraine. Not saying I agree and I only made it 40 minutes into the lecture but it does give context to Russia's actions today. It does make a case for the claim that the US is the aggressor in this crisis. I do agree with his assertion that Putin will not invade Ukraine and will not stop his efforts to wreck that country.


For myself, I came away from this with a stronger opinion that the US is doing what is in its best interests and Ukraine is going to suffer for it. Not that giving in to Putin is a better option for them. It just sucks for them to have Putin's Russia as a neighbor.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Division Grows Within GOP Over Ukraine

As tensions rise between Russia and Ukraine, conflict is also brewing within the Republican Party. It comes as Sen. Josh Hawley is calling on President Biden to drop support for Ukraine’s membership into NATO.
 

Dryxi

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Division Grows Within GOP Over Ukraine

As tensions rise between Russia and Ukraine, conflict is also brewing within the Republican Party. It comes as Sen. Josh Hawley is calling on President Biden to drop support for Ukraine’s membership into NATO.
Does Biden even support Ukraine joining NATO?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/us/politics/nato-ukraine.html - Jan 13, 2022

But France and Germany have in the past opposed Ukraine’s inclusion, and other European members are wary — a deal breaker for an alliance that grants membership only by unanimous consent. American and Russian leaders know this. With Russian troops amassed on Ukraine’s eastern border, some current and former American and European officials say Mr. Putin might just be raising the NATO issue as a pretext for an invasion.
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Like European leaders, President Biden remains uninterested in Ukrainian membership in NATO.
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Last June, Mr. Biden told journalists at NATO headquarters in Brussels that “school is out on that question” when asked whether Ukraine could join the alliance.
 

hanimmal

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Does Biden even support Ukraine joining NATO?

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/13/us/politics/nato-ukraine.html - Jan 13, 2022
Does that mean that they should allow Russia to roll over it and decide for them that they can't join? From the little I know of it, they are still dealing with Russian oligarch funded political corruption that needs to get cleaned up prior to them joining don't they?

We see how big of a pain in the ass that is here with Trump and the rest of the insurrectionist RINO's, I can understand why the NATO nations would want to see that dealt with fully prior to them joining. Also is likely why Putin is acting like a spoiled brat about them too.
 

BudmanTX

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My question is what security things is that putin wants? Not having the ukraine go to nato, so nato won't be on another front against russia? not really understanding what that numb nut Putin wants??
 

hanimmal

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My question is what security things is that putin wants? Not having the ukraine go to nato, so nato won't be on another front against russia? not really understanding what that numb nut Putin wants??
Don't forget all the nations that are already in NATO that left the Soviet Union when it collapsed that are now in NATO to leave it too.

IMO it is basically it is a bullshit sales/troll pitch. Ask for everything and act like it is reasonable. Anything that happens is because Putin decided to do it, even if he pretends like it is not.
 

injinji

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My question is what security things is that putin wants? Not having the ukraine go to nato, so nato won't be on another front against russia? not really understanding what that numb nut Putin wants??
He wants to control Ukraine's government. What they did for years after the breakup of the USSR was to sell gas at half price to one person in the Ukrainian government, then he resales it at regular price and uses the slush fund to pay bribes to do what Russia wants. One lady was able to get rid of it for a while, but she was removed from office and put in prison.

When the USSR broke up, we did promise them we would not expand NATO around the old Soviet States, and we did. But when Ukraine gave the nukes they had on their soil back to Russia, Russia signed a treaty to recognize and respect their borders. Which they did not do.
 
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