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printer said:
So ten, and the four from the US. While a handy addition, probably not something that will take on the bulk of the Russian artillery but rather high value targets.
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Maybe that huge order of 500 MLRS by Poland could be a factor, they couldn't transfer any to Ukraine without permission though. I think they figure the large range artillery they are deploying now from various countries will do the job for the most part.

Some say the Russians have exhausted their infantry and their latest attack requiring urban warfare drained off a lot of them. The thing is they have concentrated half their army in the east and it is impossible to advance on the city or stay in it once captured and crossing the river while facing 500 foot hills on the other side overlooking the city is a bit much. The Ukrainians might move a lot of troops out of this easily defended area and replace them with territorials, when the Russians withdraw back beyond artillery range. The Russians are weak in many other places and it could force the Russians to move, in an effort to reinforce, the Ukrainians have much shorter lines of communication than the Russians, who have to take the long way around. The Ukrainians have better generals, better advisors and better intelligence than the Russians, their troops are better trained and their command structure more robust, right down to the privates and sergeants commanding them. Weapons count, but quality, numbers and motivation matter too, so do logistics.
 
printer said:
Do you know the range of the long distance ones? The distance to the bridge from Ukrainian held territory is 183 miles and I think the longest range missile is about 186 miles.
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The High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) that the U.S. is sending is a mobile rocket launcher that can strike targets from 40 to over 300 miles away, depending on the type of rocket it is outfitted with.

while MLRS don't have that range or ability to shoot that far......

keep in mind that 300mile munitions....it can hit the bridge and put Moscow itself in the cross hairs, if not moscow, Crimea is a prime target especially the ports
 
BudmanTX said:
The High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) that the U.S. is sending is a mobile rocket launcher that can strike targets from 40 to over 300 miles away, depending on the type of rocket it is outfitted with.

while MLRS don't have that range or ability to shoot that far......

keep in mind that 300mile munitions....it can hit the bridge and put Moscow itself in the cross hairs, if not moscow, Crimea is a prime target especially the ports
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They are giving them 80km range munitions.
 
Horselover fat said:
They are giving them 80km range munitions.
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For now, but the number of systems and the range of munitions can be increased, if Vlad strikes cities or interferes with grain shipments. They might have been told this, because with a few hundred such systems the Ukrainians would go through the Russians like shit through a goose, once the other artillery and supporting systems they are being given is deployed. Their defeat and humiliation will be very quick, as they are driven from Crimea with the Kerch bridge blown while destroying or leaving their equipment to the Ukrainians as they evacuate by sea and air.

The idea is to destroy the Russian army and their irreplaceable equipment and they are doing it. The 600 artillery pieces and 100 MLRS in Finland will rust into obsolescence or eventually be given to the Ukrainians or Vlad's many other enemies. The army it was suppose to defend against is being destroyed on the fields of Ukraine and it will take a decade or more to recover, if ever.
 
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Ukrainian Troops Get Morale Boost As M777 Howitzers Make An Impact
5,398 views Jun 6, 2022 The Ukrainian military has started to actively use the 155-millimeter howitzer M777, which the United States handed over to Ukraine. The long-range artillery has already made an impact during the exchange of fire with Russian forces in eastern Ukraine. RFE/RL's correspondent Maryan Kushnir visited Ukrainian frontline positions on June 6 and talked to soldiers fighting Russian troops in the Donetsk region. Originally published at - https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-troop...
 
Horselover fat said:
They are giving them 80km range munitions.
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If Vlad ever made the mistake of striking Finland, with security guarantees from the US and UK, they would not need to retaliate directly against Russia. Just give 300 artillery pieces and 50 MLRS to Ukraine and let them do it for you, they would be happy to provide the service and destroy whatever might be left of the Russians that could threaten Finland.
 
BudmanTX said:
The High Mobility Artillery Rocket System (HIMARS) that the U.S. is sending is a mobile rocket launcher that can strike targets from 40 to over 300 miles away, depending on the type of rocket it is outfitted with.

while MLRS don't have that range or ability to shoot that far......

keep in mind that 300mile munitions....it can hit the bridge and put Moscow itself in the cross hairs, if not moscow, Crimea is a prime target especially the ports
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Yes I know. I was more interested in what range of rocket that are being shipped in. The bridge is 300 km away.
 
printer said:
Yes I know. I was more interested in what range of rocket that are being shipped in. The bridge is 300 km away.
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looks like for now + or - 50mile ones, and it's not MLSR's, there all HIMAR systems, but they are not giving the long range rockets as of yet....at least they have the ability too....they prolly will get some anyways on the down low
 
BudmanTX said:
looks like for now + or - 50mile ones, and it's not MLSR's, there all HIMAR systems, but they are not giving the long range rockets as of yet....at least they have the ability too....they prolly will get some anyways on the down low
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They are not suppose to attack targets in Russia. How about attacking near to the bridge and missing. "Oops, now that was unintended."
 
DIY-HP-LED said:
If Vlad ever made the mistake of striking Finland, with security guarantees from the US and UK, they would not need to retaliate directly against Russia. Just give 300 artillery pieces and 50 MLRS to Ukraine and let them do it for you, they would be happy to provide the service and destroy whatever might be left of the Russians that could threaten Finland.
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My understanding is ukraine has plenty of smaller artillery, but need 155mm for the range and loads 155mm munitions. I don't think finland has that many 155mm artillery. Finland also only has 22 mlrs. Rest of the rocket artillery is grads and czech rm70s. I'm not sure if we sent artillery units. They didn't say we would send any, but it's not like they actually tell what they are sending. I know we sent the couple of BUKs we had. Munition transports were not discussed publically, but I hear there have been quite a few cargo planes delivering crates marked as explosives and we do produce 155mm munitions, some of which can be seen on ukrainian artillery vids.
 
BTW. I knew that Russia's norther navy was a part of the reason nato wants finland, but I kinda thought the main reason was forest and swamp buffer zone filled with an army who knows how to use the terrain.

But I mean look at this shit.

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Severomorsk is the main base of the northern navy. All this is not much over 100km from the finnish border. We would not be able to attack those, but with nato weaponry they are in danger.

But that was pretty obvious. Much less obvious, and not at all in public discussion here, is this

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The line there is the kirov railway. It runs about 100km from the border. It is pretty much the only way to supply the bases.
 
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