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Snake Island remains under the control of the Russian army
The Russian Navy and the Russian Space Forces control Zmeiny Island in the Black Sea. This was stated by State Duma deputy from Crimea Alexei Chernyak.

“Our fighters… liberated Serpent’s Island from Ukrainian nationalists… The island is becoming under the control of our missiles, fleet and airborne forces,” Chernyak told RIA Novosti.

On the eve of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the withdrawal of troops from Zmeiny Island , calling it a "gesture of goodwill." This step was taken to show the world community that Russia does not interfere with the creation of a humanitarian corridor for the export of agricultural products from the territory of Ukraine. Later, the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine stated that they were going to establish physical control over the island of Serpents by sending their troops there. Corresponding member of the Academy of Military Sciences of the Russian Federation (AVN) Vladimir Kozin told URA.RU that Snake is not of strategic importance .

Остров Змеиный остается под контролем российской армии

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u just confused me....wait what????

injinji said:

Some of the eastern EU countries are more gung-ho, but the us, can and uk are all walking on eggshells trying to make this a slow gradual thing. Russia is slowly killing itself, so just keep letting them do it is the prevailing view of the Anglo crowd. Not a bad strategy in my opinion.

Above all, it is important that Ukraine does the ass whooping itself. If we come in and do the job for them, they are doomed to be a second rate county.

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Yep, if they whip the shit out of them by themselves it will do a lot for them, they did the job on their own and we only supplied the means, they supplied the guts, grit and blood. They are doing a fine job of destroying the Russian army IMHO and will do a better one when they transition to NATO arms and get more of them. A long war also keeps Germany from wanting peace at any price and cutting side deals with Vlad, this keeps them onside and hopefully will make them dependent on Ukrainian gas and oil in the future. It would solve Europe's energy problems, rebuild and enrich Ukraine, they would go from Europe's poorest country to it's richest by far in just a few years. That means Vlad would have to worry about more than NATO, he will need to worry about a fabulously rich Ukraine armed to the teeth, allied with NATO.

printer said:

Snake Island remains under the control of the Russian army
The Russian Navy and the Russian Space Forces control Zmeiny Island in the Black Sea. This was stated by State Duma deputy from Crimea Alexei Chernyak.

“Our fighters… liberated Serpent’s Island from Ukrainian nationalists… The island is becoming under the control of our missiles, fleet and airborne forces,” Chernyak told RIA Novosti.

On the eve of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the withdrawal of troops from Zmeiny Island , calling it a "gesture of goodwill." This step was taken to show the world community that Russia does not interfere with the creation of a humanitarian corridor for the export of agricultural products from the territory of Ukraine. Later, the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine stated that they were going to establish physical control over the island of Serpents by sending their troops there. Corresponding member of the Academy of Military Sciences of the Russian Federation (AVN) Vladimir Kozin told URA.RU that Snake is not of strategic importance .

Остров Змеиный остается под контролем российской армии

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nice site to see ladies and gents

an unreconized ruler talking to a war criminal....go figure

printer said:

Snake Island remains under the control of the Russian army
The Russian Navy and the Russian Space Forces control Zmeiny Island in the Black Sea. This was stated by State Duma deputy from Crimea Alexei Chernyak.

“Our fighters… liberated Serpent’s Island from Ukrainian nationalists… The island is becoming under the control of our missiles, fleet and airborne forces,” Chernyak told RIA Novosti.

On the eve of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation announced the withdrawal of troops from Zmeiny Island , calling it a "gesture of goodwill." This step was taken to show the world community that Russia does not interfere with the creation of a humanitarian corridor for the export of agricultural products from the territory of Ukraine. Later, the leadership of the Armed Forces of Ukraine stated that they were going to establish physical control over the island of Serpents by sending their troops there. Corresponding member of the Academy of Military Sciences of the Russian Federation (AVN) Vladimir Kozin told URA.RU that Snake is not of strategic importance .

Остров Змеиный остается под контролем российской армии

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i'm only confused about the headline...
the rest is pretty accurate, except for the orc saying that the island is of no strategic value...they just have to say that shit because they were driven off of it, and can't admit they lost at anything, ever

injinji said:

Above all, it is important that Ukraine does the ass whooping itself. If we come in and do the job for them, they are doomed to be a second rate county.

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I hadn't really thought of it like that, interesting point.

The strategy to make sure Putin's forces fail in Europe | Oleksiy Goncharenko, Sir Richard Barrons
2,427 views Jul 1, 2022 "Goodwill and Russia is not something which can be combined together in one sentence.” 18 Killed in Russia Strike Ukrainian politician, Oleksiy Goncharenko, on missiles strikes and results of Nato summit General Sir Richard Barrons explains Nato strategy

Roger A. Shrubber said:

we and most of NATO are hesitant about giving them weapons that can reach far into russia, in the fear that it will cause putin to launch tactical nukes into Ukraine. if that happens, NATO would have a very tough decision to make, either ignore it, certainly encouraging putin to do it again, or retaliate, which would most likely result in an escalation, possibly into a full blown nuclear exchange.
i, personally, would arm the Ukrainians with the longest range missiles i had to give them, and half a dozen small tactical nukes, while making damn sure putin is aware of it...if he wants to threaten the nuclear option, then he can take the risks associated with it, just like everyone he threatens with his antiquated, obsolete "nuclear arsenal".....but i do not make decisions for NATO.
as to the "where is the shit we're supposed to send them?"....we're sending it...there are only so many planes available for the deliveries,
only so many secure areas suitable for delivery, then the goods have to be broken up and sent to where they're needed, all while trying to evade detection from the russians satellites and observation drones... that takes time. they also have to teach a certain number of Ukrainians how to use the new systems, then those trainees have to go out and train others. you can't just be handed something like a MLRS system, and be expected to make it work the same day. they are being equipped, they are being trained, they are being supplied ammunition, and food, and medical supplies, and all the sundries that go with it all...you just have to put it in perspective. no one is abandoning the Ukrainians...yet

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It's just that every mall or apartment house with swaths of people being destroyed forever- the beauty that once was their country..I wish they were armed to the point you've suggested so Putin will stop.

I don't know how to respond to stuff like that other than very direct aggression. Muh feelz make it hard to see things pragmatically. I see basically a strong country picking on a weak country, and that wording really doesn't capture it. It's sort of like if you have ever seen a kid that had to physically fight a grownup to keep their drunk step dad from kicking the shit out of them. I have a hard time not immediately going "hey, you distract him I am going to slam a skateboard into his face." It's kind of the idea that you fight alongside your friends.

It feels like sitting on the sideline watching someone victimize someone else. That was a good point about needing to give them the tools to stand on their own. Doesn't feel right to me, but makes a lot of sense.

schuylaar said:

It's just that every mall or apartment house with swaths of people being destroyed forever- the beauty that once was their country..I wish they were armed to the point you've suggested so Putin will stop.

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so do i....

Putin Should Be Very Worried About Ukraine’s New Kamikaze Drone


The war in Ukraine is no stranger to drones, but the kamikaze drone strike on the Russian city of Rostov last week marked the beginning of a whole chapter in drone warfare. A small ramshackle Ukrainian drone with a tiny warhead flew across the heavily defended front line and smashed into an oil refinery in Russia on June 22, causing a large fire. Given how cheap it is to make a drone, and its successful evasion of Russian air defenses, Russian officials might soon have to worry about defending oil facilities, supply depots, and military installations deep in Russian territory.

Long-range kamikaze drones are a new threat to Russia. Most observers of the conflict in Ukraine are familiar with the Switchblade drones provided by the U.S., but these have a relatively short range and require operators to direct it onto a target. Kamikaze drones like the one used in the Rostov attack can go hundreds of miles without the need for an operator, and are small enough to slip by much of Russia’s air defense, which is designed to detect and engage fighter jets and missiles. With the use of GPS and inertial guidance systems, a Ukrainian operator would simply need to give the drone a point on the map before sending it on its way.

For Russia, the biggest concern is that Ukraine can make these cheaply and easily. Press reports claim the drone used in the Rostov attack was produced by Ukraine or a was model available on the internet for less than $10,000. Airframes, engines, and guidance systems could all be bought commercially and assembled without too much technical expertise. The payloads are likely small and the drone can’t re-adjust if the coordinates are wrong, but it costs a fraction of its American and Turkish-made counterparts and can do millions of dollars in damage if it hits a fuel tank or sets fire to a docked naval vessel. Depending on the final unit cost, Ukrainian drones could conceivably be cheaper than the missiles Russia would use to shoot them down.

HGCC said:

I hadn't really thought of it like that, interesting point.

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Canada was just a colony of Britain until it took part in WWI and it came out of it having its own identity.

Pentagon: Ukraines using rocket system to hit Russian command posts
Ukrainian forces are having “a good deal of success” using a U.S.-given advanced rocket system to target Russian command posts, a senior U.S. defense official said Friday.

The Ukrainians have used the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems (HIMARS) advanced rocket system to target the Kremlin positions in its fight for the eastern region of the country known as the Donbas.

“Because it is such a precise, longer-range system, Ukrainians are able to carefully select targets that will undermine the effort by Russia in a more systematic way, certainly than they would be able to do with the shorter-range artillery systems,” the official told reporters.

Ukrainian forces are still in the early days of operating the HIMARS systems — four of which the U.S. has already sent to the former Soviet country and four additional it pledged late last month — as only a handful of Ukrainian troops can operate it after taking a brief training course.

The HIMARS, which has a range of about 40 miles, has given the Ukrainians the ability to hit faraway targets with more accuracy than they have been able to prior when using shorter-ranged artillery.

“What you see is the Ukrainians are actually systematically selecting targets and then accurately hitting them, thus providing this, you know, precise method of degrading Russian capability,” the official said.

“I see them being able to continue to use this throughout Donbas.”

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This will not end well for russia.

printer said:

Please show how these numbers are arrived at.

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Do you really want @jsatch to bend over and spread his ass cheeks to show you???

Russia will not attack NATO, they have no real air force in comparison, NATO air power would slaughter their ground forces in a day. Besides, they have no ground forces or equipment to attack with, most of it is pinned down in Ukraine and he is reduced to obsolete junk for equipment and derelict drunks for officers.

The Russian pilots are untrained, they don't have sims like we do and they don't fly enough hours a month to maintain proficiency, or have precision standoff weapons. The air force doesn't have the spares, trained maintenance personnel or fuel to maintain adequate training, much less fight a war.
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