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OldMedUser

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Crazy thing is is that Hong kong wasn’t supposed to be under independent Chinese rule for twenty more years that’s how the British and allies wrote it up when the territory was returned to China at the end of British rule there and the Chinese government agreed with that and like you said he will push and push because he knows we won’t do anything at the moment unless he does something extreme like invade Taiwan or the India border like he’s been doing xi is a socialist thru and thru he sees those countries as Chinese property and won’t stop until they are we as a country need to see that and be on the same page about it or it’ll get to where we can’t do anything
He's already really butthurt about how many world powers are doing the diplomatic boycott thing over the human rights violations and now the NFL is pulling out over Covid infections too.

Totally ignoring the treaty over HK is just the start.

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hanimmal

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WASHINGTON (AP) — U.S. intelligence officials have determined a Russian effort is underway to create a pretext for its troops to further invade Ukraine, and Moscow has already prepositioned operatives to conduct “a false-flag operation” in eastern Ukraine, according to the White House.

White House press secretary Jen Psaki said on Friday the intelligence findings show Russia is also laying the groundwork through a social media disinformation campaign that frames Ukraine as an aggressor that has been preparing an imminent attack against Russian-backed forces in eastern Ukraine.

Psaki charged that Russia has already dispatched operatives trained in urban warfare who could use explosives to carry out acts of sabotage against Russia’s own proxy forces — blaming the acts on Ukraine — if Russian President Vladimir Putin decides he wants to move forward with an invasion.

“We are concerned that the Russian government is preparing for an invasion in Ukraine that may result in widespread human rights violations and war crimes should diplomacy fail to meet their objectives,” Psaki said.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby described the intelligence as “very credible.” A U.S. official, who was not authorized to comment on the intelligence and spoke on condition of anonymity, said much of it was gleaned from intercepted communications and observations of the movements of people.

The U.S. intelligence findings, which were declassified and shared with U.S. allies before being made public, estimate that a military invasion could begin between mid-January and mid-February.

Ukraine is also monitoring the potential use of disinformation by Russia. Separately, Ukrainian media on Friday reported that authorities believed Russian special services were planning a possible false flag incident to provoke additional conflict.

The new U.S. intelligence was unveiled after a series of talks between Russia and the U.S. and its Western allies this week in Europe aimed at heading off the escalating crisis made little progress.

White House national security adviser Jake Sullivan on Thursday said the U.S. intelligence community has not made an assessment that the Russians, who have massed some 100,000 troops on Ukraine’s border, have definitively decided to take a military course of action.

But Sullivan said Russia is laying the groundwork to invade under false pretenses should Putin decide to go that route. He said the Russians have been planning “sabotage activities and information operations” that accuse Ukraine of prepping for its own imminent attack against Russian forces in eastern Ukraine.

He said this is similar to what the Kremlin did in the lead-up to Russia’s 2014 annexation of Crimea, the Black Sea peninsula that had been under Ukraine’s jurisdiction since 1954.

The Crimea crisis came at moment when Ukraine was looking to strengthen ties with the West. Russia had stepped up propaganda that Ukraine’s ethnic Russians were being oppressed in eastern Ukraine.

Russia has long been accused of using disinformation as a tactic against adversaries in conjunction with military operations and cyberattacks. In 2014, Russian state media tried to discredit pro-Western protests in Kyiv as “fomented by the U.S. in cooperation with fascist Ukrainian nationalists” and promoted narratives about Crimea’s historical ties to Moscow, according to a report by Stanford University’s Internet Observatory.

Efforts to directly influence Ukrainians appear to have continued during the ongoing conflict in eastern Ukraine, in which at least 14,000 people have died. The Associated Press reported in 2017 that Ukrainian forces in the east were constantly receiving text messages warning that they would be killed and their children would be made orphans.

Nina Jankowicz, a global fellow at the Washington-based Wilson Center, said Russia’s disinformation efforts have evolved between the lead-up to its annexation of Crimea and now. This time, the Kremlin appears to be driving anti-Ukraine narratives with top officials making bellicose public statements, said Jankowicz, author of “How To Lose the Information War: Russia, Fake News, and the Future of Conflict.”

“The officials are setting the tone for the state media and they’re just running with it,” she said.

So-called “troll farms” that post fake comments are less influential in part because social media companies have gotten better at stopping them, she said. Russian efforts on social media often play on existing doubts in Ukrainian society about whether the U.S. will support Ukraine in a conflict and whether the West can be trusted, she said.

The U.S. intelligence community has taken note of a buildup on social media by Russian influencers justifying intervention by emphasizing deteriorating human rights in Ukraine, suggesting an increased militancy of Ukrainian leaders and blaming the West for escalating tensions.

“We saw this playbook in 2014,” Sullivan told reporters on Thursday. “They are preparing this playbook again.”

The Russians, while maintaining they don’t plan to invade Ukraine, are demanding that the U.S. and NATO provide written guarantees that the alliance will not expand eastward. The U.S. has called such demands nonstarters but said that it’s willing to negotiate with Moscow about possible future deployments of offensive missiles in Ukraine and putting limits on U.S. and NATO military exercises in Eastern Europe.

Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov warned on Friday that Moscow wouldn’t wait indefinitely for the Western response, saying he expects the U.S. and NATO to provide a written answer next week.

Lavrov described Moscow’s demands for binding guarantees that NATO will not embrace Ukraine or any other former Soviet nations, or station its forces and weapons there, as essential for the progress of diplomatic efforts to defuse soaring tensions over Ukraine.

He argued that NATO’s deployments and drills near Russia’s borders pose a security challenge that must be addressed immediately.

“We have run out of patience,” Lavrov said at a news conference. “The West has been driven by hubris and has exacerbated tensions in violation of its obligations and common sense.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I think Joe has got the squeeze on Vlad, there's trouble in Belorussia and Kazakhstan, both required deployment of Russian troops. Vlad might be having economic or financial troubles too and the nord pipeline project with Europe is being threatened. Vlad needs a bargaining chip and the Ukraine is it, it's his hostage, but he's like a bank robber holding a gun to a hostages head surrounded by cops. Vlad and his oligarch buddies would lose all their money and assets overnight, including money in bank accounts in tax havens, I'm sure these have all been identified including US assets. Also most NATO countries have economies larger than Russia's and their economy is in very poor shape, more so with an oil embargo. The average Russian make just $400US/mth, if Vlad invaded the Ukraine it wouldn't take long for that income to be cut by half or more and unemployment would skyrocket as the economy went into freefall.

Ukraine threatens his southern flank and puts the Russian position on the black sea in jeopardy. Belorussia is on the western flank and Kazakhstan to the south east. It might put a NATO base on the black sea on the Crimea and close to the troublesome southern republics like Georgia. Strategically, this leaves Vlad in a very bad position, with NATO deep inside the former Soviet empire causing trouble in the neighboring republics.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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NATO is full of cowards. You're dreaming.
NATO is a defensive alliance, it's Vlad whose dreaming and his dreams are of the old soviet empire and trying to control his neighbors through coercion and force. The only reason there is a NATO is because of the old soviet union and now because of Vlad, if he wasn't such an asshole, there might no longer be one. I'm just outlining the strategic thinking that goes into Vlad's and the militaries thinking. Of course NATO would be reluctant to go to war and can only do so if a member is attacked and the Europeans would be on the front lines. Wars mean refugees and that can be politically destabilizing when they come in large numbers.
 

Lucky Luke

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NATO is a defensive alliance, it's Vlad whose dreaming and his dreams are of the old soviet empire and trying to control his neighbors through coercion and force. The only reason there is a NATO is because of the old soviet union and now because of Vlad, if he wasn't such an asshole, there might no longer be one. I'm just outlining the strategic thinking that goes into Vlad's and the militaries thinking. Of course NATO would be reluctant to go to war and can only do so if a member is attacked and the Europeans would be on the front lines. Wars mean refugees and that can be politically destabilizing when they come in large numbers.
Vlad is probably the most smartest and ruthless person in charge of a country at the moment. He came from the streets to Russian president and is powerful enough to effectively rule forever. He is worth a fortune and can Travel and do as he wishes. He will play and toy and harass and if the moment comes when he can grab it by whatever method (Belarus for eg) he will. He wont risk outright war with Nato. Its just not worth the trouble for him.
 

rkymtnman

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Vlad is probably the most smartest and ruthless person in charge of a country at the moment. He came from the streets to Russian president and is powerful enough to effectively rule forever. He is worth a fortune and can Travel and do as he wishes. He will play and toy and harass and if the moment comes when he can grab it by whatever method (Belarus for eg) he will. He wont risk outright war with Nato. Its just not worth the trouble for him.
i'd love to see vlad say well f*ck you mr biden and america. here is your last president. and then put up a video of whores pissing on trump. he just wants chaos here by any means necessary. but he has a lot of nukes too so buyer beware
 

smokinrav

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The story of Putin and Boris Yeltsin is one for the ages. Yeltsin was an alcoholic of epic proportion and was close to facing corruption charges by Russian prosecutors.
Putin was defense minister who used viscious moves in Chechnya and the Moscow Theater to cement his reputation as a hard liner. He then promised Yeltsin a no prosecution deal if he just retired, which he did. Putin was "elected" president and he has ruled ever since.
Yeltsin was never charged with anything, and lived a life of luxury till his death in 2007.
 
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Lucky Luke

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The story of Putin and Boris Yeltsin is one for the ages. Yeltsin was an alcoholic of epic proportion and was close to facing corruption charges by Russian prosecutors.
Putin was defense minister who used viscious moves in Chechnya and the Moscow Theater to cement his reputation as a hard liner. He then promised Yeltsin a no prosecution deal if he just retired, which he did. Putin was "elected" president and he has ruled ever since.
Yeltsin was never charged with anything, and lived a life of luxury till his death in 2007.
and a poor street thug before then.
America got O so close to Trump as leader for life not that long ago.
 

Lucky Luke

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Laugh it up down under boy, Putin has candidates in every country, I bet he has a few psychos down there for you to enjoy, Boris Johnson is also entertaining the UK for Putin.
I'm not laughing, imagine if it succeeds when he tries again? Scary, scary thought. Amazing that he hasn't been either arrested or made to disappear. Although it does explain the Americans are dumb as a rock thread. Our political system is very different to yours and Russia hasn't been medling for decades, China does that these days.. Boris is a fkn clown, he has been looking very sad lately. Not his usual clown like self, more a sad panda.

Why do some Americans get all defensive when someone talks about what could of happened in January? Why do you believe people laugh about such a serious event? Why doesn't America take what happened more seriously? Surely Treason or a similar charge applies?
 
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Fogdog

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I'm not laughing, imagine if it succeeds when he tries again? Scary, scary thought. Amazing that he hasn't been either arrested or made to disappear. Although it does explain the Americans are dumb as a rock thread. Our political system is very different to yours and Russia hasn't been medling for decades, China does that these days.. Boris is a fkn clown, he has been looking very sad lately. Not his usual clown like self, more a sad panda.

Why do some Americans get all defensive when someone talks about what could of happened in January? Why do you believe people laugh about such a serious event? Why doesn't America take what happened more seriously? Surely Treason or a similar charge applies?
Yeah, we are kind of touchy right now. How is that Australian Dream going? Down the drain?
 
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