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Lucky Luke

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every time America has intervened anywhere on the planet, the oppressed people there thank us,
So the buddhist monks who were protesting their governments actions by setting fire to themselves in the streets of Vietnam thanked you for supporting and propping up the gov they were killing themselves in protest of? Sounds legit.

Iraq people thanking you for illegally invading destroying their country and creating ISIS and handing it over to the oil companies?
Afghanistan thanking you for invading and destabilising their country and killing civilians including women and Children (lots of bombed wedding parties im told)?

Palestine thanks your for supporting and helping Israel's take over of Palastine?

You have rose coloured glasses on my friend. America is not exactly liked in most areas America has "Intervened" in.
 

Lucky Luke

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do you not understand that America has NO military treaty with Ukraine? just treaties that cover trade and legal matters.
we're under NO obligation to do a fucking thing. as a part of Nato, we vote on Nato matters, and go with the majority decision...if the majority of Nato decides to attack putin, then we will, if they decide to sit it out, then we sit...
that's how civilized people do things, so the rest of the world quits telling them they're so fucking evil, quit nation building, quit causing collateral damage, quit HELPING TILL WE DECIDE YOU SHOULD HELP....we're just trying to give you what you want luke, an America that isn't out causing more "atrocities"...now quit trying to have it both ways, you fucking hypocrite
I already did the poll. America should not shed blood in Ukraine. As i said they are not part of Nato and you have no defence pact with them. Its Russia's business and their sphere of influence.

I was just pointing out that Biden got involved and started talking tough and throwing sanctions and because he got involved (and how he got involved ) he basically dared Putin- he poked the bear. Ukraine was asking him to tone it down but he didn't- Biden wanted to look tough and a strong leader, probably due to his low poll numbers. Not sure it helped anybody. Biden has come out looking weaker as a President than he already did IMO.

Surely you can see he gave Putin no option just like Ukraine gave Putin no option. Russia does not want to be surrounded by NATO and US bases like China is. Ukraine tried using the US and NATO and Zelenskyy would of set himself up as a western style dictator, protected from Russia by Nato. Zelenskyy isnt exactly a fan of truth in journalism or opposition.
 

hanimmal

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I already did the poll. America should not shed blood in Ukraine. As i said they are not part of Nato and you have no defence pact with them. Its Russia's business and their sphere of influence.

I was just pointing out that Biden got involved and started talking tough and throwing sanctions and because he got involved (and how he got involved ) he basically dared Putin- he poked the bear. Ukraine was asking him to tone it down but he didn't- Biden wanted to look tough and a strong leader, probably due to his low poll numbers. Not sure it helped anybody. Biden has come out looking weaker as a President than he already did IMO.

Surely you can see he gave Putin no option just like Ukraine gave Putin no option. Russia does not want to be surrounded by NATO and US bases like China is. Ukraine tried using the US and NATO and Zelenskyy would of set himself up as a western style dictator, protected from Russia by Nato. Zelenskyy isnt exactly a fan of truth in journalism or opposition.
lmao, poked the bear by explaining to the world exactly how a dictator was about to invade a smaller nation.

You are a joke man. Your anti-American bullshit is obvious.
 

Lucky Luke

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lmao, poked the bear by explaining to the world exactly how a dictator was about to invade a smaller nation.

You are a joke man. Your anti-American bullshit is obvious.
Id rather America rule the world than Russia or China but America is not exactly a choir boy or an innocent player.
 

hanimmal

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Id rather America rule the world than Russia or China but America is not exactly a choir boy or an innocent player.
Of course, no nation is. But the fact that you can't seem to stop yourself from delivering the same bullshit that 20 years of Russian/Murdoch spam might just have had a impact in how you view us.
 

Lucky Luke

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Of course, no nation is. But the fact that you can't seem to stop yourself from delivering the same bullshit that 20 years of Russian/Murdoch spam might just have had a impact in how you view us.
Murdoch again? You went like two whole days as well..

I find it flattering that rather than debate and disprove my points a few people chose insults instead. Makes me wonder why they cannot dispute my comments.
 

hanimmal

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Murdoch again? You went like two whole days as well..
Look at you using the deflect and dismiss, I guess it should be amended to toss in a neg. Doesn't make it wrong.

I find it flattering that rather than debate and disprove my points a few people chose insults instead. Makes me wonder why they cannot dispute my comments.
Disprove cherry picking trolls?

Like the one that you did with your "Marshall Islands" but ignoring your own nation's blowing the shit out of your country and not doing a good job at cleaning it up? Or the time you said America was lying about not wanting to have far more American deaths in WW2?

Nah, it really doesn't matter, the trolling that you do is easy, but meaningless except to push anti-American feels that Putin and the rest of the worlds dictators wants spread like they have been for decades.
 

printer

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62 percent of voters say Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump were president: poll
A new Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president. When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way.

However, 38 percent of all Americans polled believed that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump had been president.

A majority of Americans polled — 59 percent — also said they believed that the Russian president moved on Ukraine because Putin saw weakness in President Biden, while 41 percent said that it was not a factor in Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine.

Soon after Russia invaded Ukraine late Wednesday, President Biden condemned what he described as an "unprovoked and unjustified attack" and expressed solidarity with Ukraine. The U.S. has imposed sanctions on Russian financial institutions, Russian elites and their family members, the Nord Stream 2 AG — the parent company of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline — and, the White House confirmed Friday, Putin himself, among other entities.

However, the U.S. has resisted calls to kick Russia out of the SWIFT international banking system, despite appeals from Ukrainian officials and some U.S. lawmakers.

Yeah. Putin would call up Trump and tell him to stop arming the countries next to Russia. And polish my boots while you are licking them down there.

I have been dissapointed in Americans of late, this does not help much.
 

printer

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At least there are still adults in the room.

Pentagon mulling ways to get more lethal aid to Ukraine
The U.S. military will provide additional lethal aid for Ukraine but is working through the logistics of delivery given the contested airspace over Ukraine, the Pentagon’s top spokesman said Friday.

“We're continuing to look for ways to support Ukraine to defend themselves,” press secretary John Kirby told reporters. “And we’re very actively engaged in those efforts to help them better defend themselves through both lethal and non-lethal assistance.”

Kirby later added that as the situation in Ukraine has drastically changed since Thursday, when Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered into Ukraine some of the more than 150,000 troops amassed near the border.

“We're going to have to look for other ways to do this,” the Pentagon spokesman said.

“The airspace over Ukraine is contested, the Russians don't have superiority of it, it’s contested,” Kirby said. “We are going to provide additional security assistance for Ukraine, we will. How that is going to be done is still being worked out.”

He added that he won’t detail what the U.S. would send into Ukraine given the security situation.

“I have not been detailing for any of you each and every package, each and every shipment, because I think you can understand, and it’s particularly relevant now, that Ukraine is involved in a no-kidding invasion of their country,” Kirby said. “We wouldn’t want to put it out there in the public space everything that they’re getting from the United States.”

The U.S. government has provided about $650 million in security assistance to Ukraine in the past year, and the Biden administration is reportedly expected to ask Congress for billions more.

In addition, the Pentagon on Thursday announced it would send another 7,000 troops into Europe to bolster NATO defenses should Russia’s attack spread beyond Ukraine’s borders. The troops, which will join another 7,000 troops deployed or repositioned to Europe earlier this month, will not fight in Ukraine as it is not a member of NATO, President Biden has stressed.

The U.S. military has also placed upwards of 12,000 American troops on alert following Friday’s announcement that the NATO Response Force has been activated, which Kirby called a “historic moment.”

“It was [Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s] desire to get them moving, get them ready, and get them moving and as pre-positioned as possible” for when NATO nations “finally hash out the requirements with the alliance and what that looks like," Kirby said.
 

injinji

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62 percent of voters say Putin wouldn't have invaded Ukraine if Trump were president: poll
A new Harvard CAPS-Harris Poll survey released Friday found that 62 percent of those polled believed Putin would not be moving against Ukraine if Trump had been president. When looking strictly at the answers of Democrats and Republicans, 85 percent of Republicans and 38 percent of Democrats answered this way.

However, 38 percent of all Americans polled believed that Putin would have invaded Ukraine even if Trump had been president.

A majority of Americans polled — 59 percent — also said they believed that the Russian president moved on Ukraine because Putin saw weakness in President Biden, while 41 percent said that it was not a factor in Putin’s decision to invade Ukraine.

Soon after Russia invaded Ukraine late Wednesday, President Biden condemned what he described as an "unprovoked and unjustified attack" and expressed solidarity with Ukraine. The U.S. has imposed sanctions on Russian financial institutions, Russian elites and their family members, the Nord Stream 2 AG — the parent company of the Nord Stream 2 pipeline — and, the White House confirmed Friday, Putin himself, among other entities.

However, the U.S. has resisted calls to kick Russia out of the SWIFT international banking system, despite appeals from Ukrainian officials and some U.S. lawmakers.

Yeah. Putin would call up Trump and tell him to stop arming the countries next to Russia. And polish my boots while you are licking them down there.

I have been dissapointed in Americans of late, this does not help much.
I think poot-poot may have waited if trumpf had won a second term. After all trumpf tried to tie up Ukraine in his political dirt for arms scheme. There is no limit to the things they may have tried if trumpf knew he didn't have to run for re-election again.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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At least there are still adults in the room.

Pentagon mulling ways to get more lethal aid to Ukraine
The U.S. military will provide additional lethal aid for Ukraine but is working through the logistics of delivery given the contested airspace over Ukraine, the Pentagon’s top spokesman said Friday.

“We're continuing to look for ways to support Ukraine to defend themselves,” press secretary John Kirby told reporters. “And we’re very actively engaged in those efforts to help them better defend themselves through both lethal and non-lethal assistance.”

Kirby later added that as the situation in Ukraine has drastically changed since Thursday, when Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered into Ukraine some of the more than 150,000 troops amassed near the border.

“We're going to have to look for other ways to do this,” the Pentagon spokesman said.

“The airspace over Ukraine is contested, the Russians don't have superiority of it, it’s contested,” Kirby said. “We are going to provide additional security assistance for Ukraine, we will. How that is going to be done is still being worked out.”

He added that he won’t detail what the U.S. would send into Ukraine given the security situation.

“I have not been detailing for any of you each and every package, each and every shipment, because I think you can understand, and it’s particularly relevant now, that Ukraine is involved in a no-kidding invasion of their country,” Kirby said. “We wouldn’t want to put it out there in the public space everything that they’re getting from the United States.”

The U.S. government has provided about $650 million in security assistance to Ukraine in the past year, and the Biden administration is reportedly expected to ask Congress for billions more.

In addition, the Pentagon on Thursday announced it would send another 7,000 troops into Europe to bolster NATO defenses should Russia’s attack spread beyond Ukraine’s borders. The troops, which will join another 7,000 troops deployed or repositioned to Europe earlier this month, will not fight in Ukraine as it is not a member of NATO, President Biden has stressed.

The U.S. military has also placed upwards of 12,000 American troops on alert following Friday’s announcement that the NATO Response Force has been activated, which Kirby called a “historic moment.”

“It was [Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin’s] desire to get them moving, get them ready, and get them moving and as pre-positioned as possible” for when NATO nations “finally hash out the requirements with the alliance and what that looks like," Kirby said.
I wouldn't look for Joe to go easy on Russia with that polling, fuck he might escalate!
 
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