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Dr.Amber Trichome said:

Ok, so what’s Russia going to do about it? Wii they still take the states, take the sanctions and not care because in the end they will make more profit from the pipeline or something to do with the territory they are getting . They must have seen this coming and don’t care. Or are they that stupid?

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wish i knew at this point.....now if the EU strikes them from they're banking system....Putin and the Oli's are gonna have a hard time.....my best bet, they will move whats left into China. Keep in mind the territory they are taking is primarily a coal region, one of the largest coal reserves in that country, it's also very dangerous too.....at one time the USSR did something.....they tried Nuke Mining....which the off set to that is some of those coal deposits are also very radioactive.......just my best guess....

DIY-HP-LED said:

Germany halts Nord Stream 2 and Russia responds with a stark warning

The West showed Tuesday it was ready to target Russia's huge energy industry — even at the risk of hurting itself — after Moscow ordered troops into parts of eastern Ukraine.

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that sounds like a strong arm tactic to me....js

Maybe they will give Vlad a SWIFT kick in the nuts.
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"The European Union's trump card could be SWIFT, a global messaging service used by banks and financial institutions.
Removing Russia from SWIFT would make it much harder for financial institutions to send money in or out of the country, delivering a sudden shock to Russian companies and their foreign customers — especially buyers of oil and gas exports denominated in US dollars.
"The cutoff would terminate all international transactions, trigger currency volatility, and cause massive capital outflows," Maria Shagina, a visiting fellow at the Finnish Institute of International Affairs, wrote in a paper last year for Carnegie Moscow Center.

SWIFT is based in Belgium and governed by a board consisting of 25 people. The organization, which describes itself as a "neutral utility," is incorporated under Belgian law and must comply with EU regulations.
There is precedent for removing a country from SWIFT. It unplugged Iranian banks in 2012 after they were sanctioned by the European Union over the country's nuclear program.
Excluding Russia from SWIFT would cause its economy to shrink by 5%, former finance minister Alexei Kudrin estimated in 2014 — the last time this sanction was considered in response to Russia's annexation of Crimea".

DIY-HP-LED said:

Maybe they will give Vlad a SWIFT kick in the nuts.
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Analysis: The sanctions that could really hurt Russia

Less than 24 hours after Russia ordered the deployment of military forces into eastern Ukraine, the West has sent a clear message that Moscow's aggression won't go unanswered. But the harshest sanctions may be kept in reserve as a deterrent to even greater escalation.

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"The European Union's trump card could be SWIFT, a global messaging service used by banks and financial institutions.
Removing Russia from SWIFT would make it much harder for financial institutions to send money in or out of the country, delivering a sudden shock to Russian companies and their foreign customers — especially buyers of oil and gas exports denominated in US dollars.
"The cutoff would terminate all international transactions, trigger currency volatility, and cause massive capital outflows," Maria Shagina, a visiting fellow at the Finnish Institute of International Affairs, wrote in a paper last year for Carnegie Moscow Center.

SWIFT is based in Belgium and governed by a board consisting of 25 people. The organization, which describes itself as a "neutral utility," is incorporated under Belgian law and must comply with EU regulations.
There is precedent for removing a country from SWIFT. It unplugged Iranian banks in 2012 after they were sanctioned by the European Union over the country's nuclear program.
Excluding Russia from SWIFT would cause its economy to shrink by 5%, former finance minister Alexei Kudrin estimated in 2014 — the last time this sanction was considered in response to Russia's annexation of Crimea".

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kicking them out would be a definitive good one.....Putin and the Oli's wouldn't what to do at that point.....then again they may have setup a contigencey with that, that would include China.......just a thought

Dr.Amber Trichome said:

Ok, so what’s Russia going to do about it? Wii they still take the states, take the sanctions and not care because in the end they will make more profit from the pipeline or something to do with the territory they are getting . They must have seen this coming and don’t care. Or are they that stupid?

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I don't think this is about Ukraine. It's about enriching Putin and his cronies. For example, there are mining and aluminum processing operations that are inside Ukraine that Oleg Deripaska owns (link below). Much of those properties will be inside Russian borders or under Russian control depending on the outcome. Deripaska and others can gorge without that pesky Ukrainian government asserting the right to taxes and regulate the operations. Then again, Ukraine isn't a great free market economy either. See the article about the US farmer. They are a kleptocracy, not the same as Russian kleptocracy but it's still a country where the powerful take what they want and leave laws for the little people.

But this is mostly about Putin trying to crack the NATO alliance IMO. We aren't done with sanctions yet. The EU is going to take forever to act and no way to know what happens. Swiss banks are money launderers for those gangsters and make plenty of profits in exchange for washing money that should have stayed inside of Russia.



Trump interceded on Russia's behalf when Congress approved sanctions against Russia for their actions to interfere with the 2016 elections. Biden is really just using this crisis to do what we should have done in after the 2016 election. These are the targets of personal sanctions that Biden threatened Putin with and are about to implement.


Putin's inner circle is going to get hit as well as Putin himself. What will it take for the knives to come out?

This is cold war politics. It's going to take a while before we see much in the way of change.

BudmanTX said:

that sounds like a strong arm tactic to me....js

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Yep, it is. I'm surprised Germany had the guts to do it. Big oligarch money is tied up in that thing as well as profits from selling LNG to Europe. In the language of crime bosses, "it would be awful if that pipeline is never used, just awful."

Fogdog said:

Yep, it is. I'm surprised Germany had the guts to do it. Big oligarch money is tied up in that thing as well as profits from selling LNG to Europe. In the language of crime bosses, "it would be awful if that pipeline is never used, just awful."

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ok that make me wonder is the US shipping natural gas to the EU? and i would think that Ukraine would invest in they're own pipeline to bypass Russian/Oli's pipeline??? hmmm

Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up...

or so I have heard.

althor said:

Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up...

or so I have heard.

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That is ripe when you consider the previous guy.

althor said:

Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up...

or so I have heard.

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where?

BudmanTX said:

where?

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Not on Truth Social.

althor said:

Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up...

or so I have heard.

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BudmanTX said:

where?

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It's in the QAnon prayer that Magats say every evening before sitting down to yell at the TV.

BudmanTX said:

ok that make me wonder is the US shipping natural gas to the EU? and i would think that Ukraine would invest in they're own pipeline to bypass Russian/Oli's pipeline??? hmmm

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I don't think its enough but, yep, it is. Guess where those ships were destined for before they were redirected. Answer is at the bottom.


The cost to transport a shipment of U.S. liquefied natural gas to energy-starved Europe turned negative, a dramatic reversal that illustrates a growing glut of ships in the Atlantic ferrying American fuel.

Spot freight rates in the Atlantic crashed to -$750 per day on Feb. 8, down from $273,000 in early December, according to Spark Commodities, which tracks LNG shipping prices. That’s the first time the marker has turned negative in Spark data going back to 2019, and means that — at least theoretically — owners are paying charterers to use their ships. LNG deliveries to Europe hit a record high last month as traders redirected shipments toward the continent away from

Fogdog said:

I don't think its enough but, yep, it is. Guess where those ships were destined for before they were redirected. Answer is at the bottom.

Wave of US LNG Ships Headed to Europe Sends Freight Rates Below Zero | Transport Topics

The cost to transport a shipment of U.S. liquefied natural gas to energy-starved Europe turned negative, a dramatic reversal that illustrates a growing glut of ships in the Atlantic ferrying American fuel.

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The cost to transport a shipment of U.S. liquefied natural gas to energy-starved Europe turned negative, a dramatic reversal that illustrates a growing glut of ships in the Atlantic ferrying American fuel.

Spot freight rates in the Atlantic crashed to -$750 per day on Feb. 8, down from $273,000 in early December, according to Spark Commodities, which tracks LNG shipping prices. That’s the first time the marker has turned negative in Spark data going back to 2019, and means that — at least theoretically — owners are paying charterers to use their ships. LNG deliveries to Europe hit a record high last month as traders redirected shipments toward the continent away from

Spoiler: Who could be affected by this change, we wonder, yes we do. Click to find out

Asia

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hopefully we can help offset the need from what they are getting from Russia.....

BudmanTX said:

hopefully we can help offset the need from what they are getting from Russia.....

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Maybe. The oil and gas industry would love it. A lot of it comes from fracking. Just saying there is an environmental cost in that. Best answer is Europe finds ways to cap demand and speed up the switch to renewable alternatives. But it's a bonus to Biden's economy. I'm torn on this one. I'm loving the irony that LNG is being directed away from China.

Trump insists Ukraine crisis would not have happened while he was president: ‘I know Putin very well’
Former president Donald Trump broke his silence about the crisis in Ukraine to slam the Biden administration, saying Moscow’s decision send troops across its border would not have happened during his administration since he knows Russian President Vladimir Putin well.

“I know Vladimir Putin very well, and he would have never done during the Trump Administration what he is doing now, no way!” Mr Trump said in a statement from his Save America PAC. Mr Trump faulted President Joe Biden for letting Russia become rich because of higher gas prices.

“The weak sanctions are insignificant relative to taking over a country and a massive piece of strategically located land,” he said.

“Now it has begun, oil prices are going higher and higher, and Putin is not only getting what he always wanted, but getting, because of the oil and gas surge, richer and richer.”

Mr Trump had been largely quiet for the past three weeks when it came to Ukraine. He last mentioned Ukraine during a rally in Texas in relation to immigration.

“Everyone in Washington is obsessing over how to protect Ukraine’s border — but the most important border in the world is not Ukraine’s border, it’s America’s border but let people come in and we have no idea who they are,” he told a crowd in Conroe. “The first duty of the American president is to defend the American border.”

Prior to the rally in Texas, the only thing he had said was simply “What’s happening with Russia and Ukraine would never have happened under the Trump Administration,” and that it was “Not even a possibility!”

althor said:

The previous guy is shit the new guy is even more shit.

It is amazing to me idiots cant see that.

This is how standards go down... well the last guy was bad so it is ok that this guy is bad and then it is ok for the next guy to be bad... NO IT IS NOT.

We followed a shit president with an even shittier president. I dont care how bad the last guy was, it doesnt excuse the next guy being bad.

Dumbasses think if you dont support the moron Biden that makes you a Trump person. It is a really stupid person who assumes that. I have never nor will I ever cast a vote for Trump. Trump has nothing at all to do with my opinion of the current shit administration.

WE ALL DESERVE BETTER FROM THOSE WHO REPRESENT US.

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This is tripe. By peeing on our current President, you suggest he is as bad as that man was. That is so far from the truth, it makes me wonder why you accept and propagate that tripe. What’s your angle?

althor said:

The previous guy is shit the new guy is even more shit.

It is amazing to me idiots cant see that.

This is how standards go down... well the last guy was bad so it is ok that this guy is bad and then it is ok for the next guy to be bad... NO IT IS NOT.

We followed a shit president with an even shittier president. I dont care how bad the last guy was, it doesnt excuse the next guy being bad.

Dumbasses think if you dont support the moron Biden that makes you a Trump person. It is a really stupid person who assumes that. I have never nor will I ever cast a vote for Trump. Trump has nothing at all to do with my opinion of the current shit administration.

WE ALL DESERVE BETTER FROM THOSE WHO REPRESENT US.

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Althor, you remind me of my dead grandpa. You sound just like he did when he was alive 30 years ago.

The both sides bad argument is the third stupid thing you've said today.