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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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I can't professionally disagree with the general, but I know many of his peers do and they believe Russia can be blead white and defeated! IMHO the near term numbers don't add up for Russia in terms of manpower, at this point the Ukrainians even have more tanks in theater than the Russians. More modern arms are pouring in that will tip the balance decisively, especially after the Russians are worn down and their logistics are decimated. Because of low morale, a decimated officer corps, constant attacks and high losses, the Russian army may collapse on one or more fronts. I think precision munitions used on fortified defensive positions along with drones will make a difference in rolling them back to the borders and beyond artillery range. The next few weeks will be critical with new equipment being deployed and guerilla warfare attacks ramping up dramatically along with strikes on logistics inside Russia.
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Retired general makes prediction about Putin's plan in Ukraine

 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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I remember Putin was floating the idea of retiring just after Biden was elected. I speculated it was probably to try and duck Uncle Sam's wrath, but perhaps events in Ukraine since the election caused him to change his plans. It could have been health related, if the recent news about cancer is true. It won't make much difference if his crony takes over, same shit different bucket. Free and fair elections with a free press in an open society, will be the only way out for them, no matter how much lipstick the put on the imperialist pig.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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BudmanTX said:
i've seen that number just a tad higher....like up to 25%
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The numbers vary, but lately there seems to be a bit of a consensus emerging of around 20,000+ dead Russians. Normally that would mean 3 times as many wounded or captured, say 60,000+ 20,000= 80,000 Russians out of the fight. There were a lot of infantry casualties and we`ve seen plenty of Russians cooked in tanks with turrets full of ammo. In WW2 they used to patch up tanks and reuse them, but these ones are completely destroyed and not even fit for parts in most cases, 40 tons of scrap steel.

If he started with say 220,000 and added say another 20,000 since then, that would give him a total force of 240K-80K= 160K troops. We are into the tenth week of war and the Russians are losing an average of 8,000 troops a week, 2,000 dead. Say by june 1st they will be down another 32,000 troops to a total of 128,000 Russian troops left, if current trends prevail.

Now the Ukrainians started the war with an army of around 200K, but over 400K men in total have been through the NATO training and most are veterans of the war in the east. In addition to this they have reserves of various types, from territorials to local reservists and they might number a couple of million at this point. Since the war began the Ukrainians have been training new combat regiments in large numbers, when several countries donate 30,000 helmets and pieces of body armor each, its going somewhere! In addition there will be tank and artillery crews needed and the poles apparently have been training Ukrainians on these systems in large numbers. Electronic engineers and IT specialists can be trained to use advanced electronic systems like AA missile systems much quicker than regular troops can.

The Ukrainians must have more than a half million men in the army at least by now and training more every week, it is reported they have been taking casualties at a third of the rate of the Russians. If they wait and wear down the Russians while they prepare with new NATO weapons, they will defeat and drive them out at the cost of far fewer Ukrainian casualties, but a lot more Russian ones.
 
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Mirtaz

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Fogdog said:
Two months in, 25,000 dead Russian kids who were pressed into the military with more on the way to the grave The Russian army retreated after their first offensive effort failed. Putin changed his objective from overrunning Ukraine and forcing regime change to occupying the Donbas region. Now they are stalling out and it appears they can't do that either. And Putin wants a parade.

More winning @Mirtaz ? :lol:
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You're assuming those numbers are legitimate, first, and second, the Russians lost a fuck ton of troops, both conscripts barely trained as well as elite fighters, in the their wars against my people. They still won. It's only been a few weeks; give it some time. Finally, Putin's objective was never to overrun the Ukraine.
 
injinji

injinji

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Mirtaz said:
. . . . . . . Finally, Putin's objective was never to overrun the Ukraine.
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Didn't you read the news report that got uploaded to state media about a week in? It had been written before the invasion started and declared victory a little prematurely. It laid out all that they had (thought they would have got) done and why they were doing it. And yes, the goal was overrunning the country.

Whoever didn't turn off the auto uploader most likely fell out of a window. There is a real problem with window safety in poot-poot's Russia.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Mirtaz said:
You're assuming those numbers are legitimate,
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You said meeting objectives is winning. What objective did Putin fulfill when he retreated from Kyiv?

What was Putin's objective when he first invaded? What the fuck did Putin think he was going to accomplish when he invaded in late Feb? Remember, he sent columns into Ukraine from the northern border and they have all but abandoned every km they crossed, leaving thousands of dead Russian soldiers, some of them at the hands of their own either through fragging of officers or officers shooting soldiers who they thought were being insubordinate.

"not 25,000 dead" How many dead soldiers would you say would be acceptable given the outcome of that first wave of attacks that failed?

You lost track of time, btw. It's been two months. 25,000 dead in two months. Those are estimates from many sources. I'd laugh at your weak denial but it's a terrible tragedy.

Mirtaz said:
the Russians lost a fuck ton of troops, both conscripts barely trained as well as elite fighters, in the their wars against my people. They still won. It's only been a few weeks; give it some time. Finally, Putin's objective was never to overrun the Ukraine.
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I am sorry for your losses at the hands of Russian aggressors. I don't understand why you are taking Putin's side in this war, given what you say happened to "your people".

But this time its different. NATO is supporting Ukraine. Military hardware is streaming into Ukraine while Russia is losing men, weapons, equipment, ships that it cannot replace. Sanctions will not be lifted any time soon either. Russia will never replace it's losses in high tech weaponry. Russia's military capability is already showing significant degradation. Replacement troops are less trained. The replacement weapons and equipment that they are able to make are anachronisms. Even so, Russia can't replace the aircraft, tanks, trucks or ships at the rate they are being destroyed. The war is costing Russia between 10 and 20 billion dollars a day. Oil money doesn't make up for that. Russia can't borrow the money either. Sooner or later, the Russian military-industrial complex will collapse. Time is on Ukraine's side and not on Putin's side. The longer Putin continues this war, the weaker Russia becomes. Sanctions will continue, thus ensuring Putin's Russia does not recover from its losses.

This war was Putin's choice. The fault lies at Putin's feet. He was warned that this would happen to him and Russia if he invaded Ukraine. It's still not too late for him to withdraw. We both know he won't. And so Russia will be ground down until the Russian people decide they have had enough and internal conflicts inside of Russia ends their aggression in Ukraine.
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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printer said:
No word of Putin in Russian news.
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I'm shocked to hear you suggest that this news story would be suppressed in the famously accurate and rigorous new sources inside of Russia. The thing is, though, I'm not finding mention of Putin's cancer or surgery in the any of the larger news reporting sites. Not BBC, NYT, Wapo,. Just NY Post, Sun, Daily Mail, that sort of source. Something doesn't seem right about this story.
 
zeddd

zeddd

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Fogdog said:
I'm shocked to hear you suggest that this news story would be suppressed in the famously accurate and rigorous new sources inside of Russia. The thing is, though, I'm not finding mention of Putin's cancer or surgery in the any of the larger news reporting sites. Not BBC, NYT, Wapo,. Just NY Post, Sun, Daily Mail, that sort of source. Something doesn't seem right about this story.
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I agree, why are they scheduling a cancer surgery for some future date? If he needs surgery to remove a tumour or SLN biopsy it needs doing yesterday.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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zeddd said:
I agree, why are they scheduling a cancer surgery for some future date? If he needs surgery to remove a tumour or SLN biopsy it needs doing yesterday.
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you don't tell an autocratic, kleptocratic mafia don with nuclear weapons "Now."....even about something like that. you urge him to get attention as soon as possible, and then leave when he points to the door and decides to ignore your advice.
if it's true, and he is having surgery, i would sure hate to be on his medical team if he dies...
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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