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bundee1 said:

I think certain weapons should Be available to all ctizens such as rifles pistols shotguns. As you go up the firepower chain certain cnditions should Have to be met. What Those Are I'll leave to better minds right now.

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Fogdog said:

I don't own a gun, I don't want to interfere with anybody else's right to own one. What I'm asking is why should the US be such an outlier when it comes to death and injury rates related to firearms? Pick whichever category you want -- accidents, domestic violence, or crime and you'll see that the US has by far the highest rates of firearm related deaths and injuries for that category compared to any other developed western nation.

• 33% of all gun owners don't follow simple guidelines posted by the NRA that if followed would practically eliminate in-home firearm accidents involving children.
• If guns were locked away in a secure safe, it would practically eliminate gun theft. In addition to locking the gun in that safe, securing the ammunition somewhere else would practically eliminate most accidents.
• Gun purchases don't all have to be screened for background checks and the ones that are screened are done by agencies that are woefully underfunded and have a ridiculously short limit on the time allowed. Improved funding and increased time for background checks to reduce availability of guns to non-qualified owners I would think should also be part of the solution. Any man that ever laid hands on a woman or child in domestic violence should be on that list.

These are a few examples of how the public and lawmakers can solve many of the problems that are links in the failure-chain that leads to gun related death and injury. Some of them don't even require legislation, just social pressure to get people to think about what they are doing as completely unacceptable, such as leaving a loaded gun in the glove box of a car. Or storing the weapon in a kitchen drawer with the ammunition.

I can't do anything other than ask for legislation, because I don't own a gun. Instead of saying nuh-uh, second amendment, why don't gun owners take ownership of this problem? I think that gun owners can do a better job of solving the problem than politicians. But there is no movement in that area. Eventually, non-gun owners will lose patience.

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Fogdog said:

I don't own a gun, I don't want to interfere with anybody else's right to own one. What I'm asking is why should the US be such an outlier when it comes to death and injury rates related to firearms? Pick whichever category you want -- accidents, domestic violence, or crime and you'll see that the US has by far the highest rates of firearm related deaths and injuries for that category compared to any other developed western nation.

• 33% of all gun owners don't follow simple guidelines posted by the NRA that if followed would practically eliminate in-home firearm accidents involving children.
• If guns were locked away in a secure safe, it would practically eliminate gun theft. In addition to locking the gun in that safe, securing the ammunition somewhere else would practically eliminate most accidents.
• Gun purchases don't all have to be screened for background checks and the ones that are screened are done by agencies that are woefully underfunded and have a ridiculously short limit on the time allowed. Improved funding and increased time for background checks to reduce availability of guns to non-qualified owners I would think should also be part of the solution. Any man that ever laid hands on a woman or child in domestic violence should be on that list.

These are a few examples of how the public and lawmakers can solve many of the problems that are links in the failure-chain that leads to gun related death and injury. Some of them don't even require legislation, just social pressure to get people to think about what they are doing as completely unacceptable, such as leaving a loaded gun in the glove box of a car. Or storing the weapon in a kitchen drawer with the ammunition.

I can't do anything other than ask for legislation, because I don't own a gun. Instead of saying nuh-uh, second amendment, why don't gun owners take ownership of this problem? I think that gun owners can do a better job of solving the problem than politicians. But there is no movement in that area. Eventually, non-gun owners will lose patience.

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UncleBuck said:

without a second amendment, how would you ever protect that pile of tires on your front lawn?

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StevieBevie said:

You are not alone. I do believe we have the right to bear arms and I do for protection on my property, I live out in the country now and with the police 30 minutes from our home I think it is necessary, and also for snakes, and any other strange thing that could happen...View attachment 3733921

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rollitup said:

That's easy! It's because, well you know ...

Bare Arms!

(rednecks wear tank tops)

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NLXSK1 said:

Most gun owners are responsible. You are yelling at all of us and it gets annoying. Just like you cant make sure your neighbor keeps his pool fence locked, you cannot go around as a civilian and make sure other civilians are practicing proper firearm control much less everything else in life.

Remove gun owners and insert any annoying category into your sentence.

Why do you spend such an inordinate amount of time worrying what other people do? You are like the little old lady driving 20mph under the speed limit because she is so busy looking in her rear view mirror that she isnt watching the road nor doing her proper job of driving.

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NLXSK1 said:

Why do you spend such an inordinate amount of time worrying what other people do?

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Fogdog said:

Who is yelling? Not me. If most gun owners are responsible why don't they take ownership of reducing gun related violence and accidents? I'm just saying that the gun lobby and gun owners are standing pat and losing the issue. I won't ask you to think, but do ask others to.

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NLXSK1 said:

I take ownership of myself. That is what freedom is, allowing your neighbor freedom to do what they want even if you do not like it.

Personal responsibility is personal.

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Olive Drab Green said:

Irony, right there.

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b4ds33d said:

because that's what liberals do. things go much better when people stop concerning themselves with your business and mind their own.

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NLXSK1 said:

I take ownership of myself. That is what freedom is, allowing your neighbor freedom to do what they want even if you do not like it.

Personal responsibility is personal.

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Fogdog said:

What you are saying to me:

You fascist nutjobs are proclaiming freedom. Then tell others to be silent.

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Flaming Pie said:

Nobody is telling you to shut up.

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NLXSK1 said:

I am not telling you to be slient, I am asking you to stop yelling at me and expecting me to somehow enforce policy over someone else.

I believe in freedom of speech along with all the other freedoms.

You have the right to be offended but not the right to infringe on other people's freedoms based on your opinion.

Some gun owners will never be responsible and I accept that as part of freedom.

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Fogdog said:

horseshit. you guys are trying to silence the messenger. I have absolutely the right to work with others to fix your problem. I don't want to but that's what will happen eventually if you guys don't wise up.

I don't understand why you seem to think that 200 US lives are lost every day to gun violence is acceptable. That's not freedom. Fewer than a hundred lives were lost in Nice, France and the world mourns. So, yeah, there is a problem. Gun owners are taking the matter too lightly. Similar to drunk drivers about 30 years ago.

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