What justifies US intervention?

_gresh_

_gresh_

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Gquebed said:
1.2 million people died in Lennigrad over 9 months. They were parents too. Most of em. Plenty of them were children. As far as battles go it was a small inconsequential one...
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People died. That makes it plenty consequential. Don't try to downplay loss of life on any scale. You sound like an ignorant dick.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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jonsnow399 said:
I didn't say that the Allies and the bomb were solely responsible for deterring Russia from attacking russia but the mushroom cloud had to be in the back of their mind at least.
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Certainly. But Russia was almost good to go on their atomic bomb too. I believe it was ready by the time of the Berlin Blockade. So it wasn't a deterrent for long.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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_gresh_ said:
People died. That makes it plenty consequential. Don't try to downplay loss of life on any scale. You sound like an ignorant dick.
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Lol
People die every day by the thousands....tens of thousands? From starvation, disease, etc. What is your point? Life is cheap. And when or if you ever travel a bit and learn something about the world you will habe to come to terms with that, as I have. If that makes me a dick then... ya. But ignorant? No. Not at all.
 
_gresh_

_gresh_

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Gquebed said:
Lol
People die every day by the thousands....tens of thousands? From starvation, disease, etc. What is your point? Life is cheap. And when or if you ever travel a bit and learn something about the world you will habe to come to terms with that, as I have. If that makes me a dick then... ya. But ignorant? No. Not at all.
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I made my point clear. Loss of life on any scale is not something any decent person would HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA or LOL about.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Gquebed said:
It was just a skirmish. Look at that numbers. Us had maybe 250000 soldiers in Europe total. At any one time. The Russians put 14 million soldiers throughout Europe. ALL the Allied fighting forces combined in Europe were pretty much inconsequential. Maybe a million total compared to the the Russian 14 mil??? C'mon....
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Fake news.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Front_(World_War_II)

Yes, there were more Russians fighting on the eastern front than allies in the Western front, but I see the number getting smaller and smaller, which doesn't square with the facts;

Strength
1939–1940

  • 7,650,000 troops (total)[1]
1944–1945

  • ~5,412,219 troops (total that served)
  • 4,500,000 troops (peak)[2]
1939–1940

  • 5,400,000 troops (total)[1]
1944–1945

  • ~8,000,000 troops (total that served)[3]
  • ~2,000,000 troops (peak)[4]
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Gquebed said:
Certainly. But Russia was almost good to go on their atomic bomb too. I believe it was ready by the time of the Berlin Blockade. So it wasn't a deterrent for long.
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Yes. They got most of what they needed when they captured the Japanese atomic research facilities in what's now North Korea near the end of WWII.

The Roseburgs were helpful but contrary to the propaganda of the time, they were not a decisive factor.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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ttystikk said:
Fake news.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Front_(World_War_II)

Yes, there were more Russians fighting on the eastern front than allies in the Western front, but I see the number getting smaller and smaller, which doesn't square with the facts;

Strength
1939–1940

  • 7,650,000 troops (total)[1]
1944–1945

  • ~5,412,219 troops (total that served)
  • 4,500,000 troops (peak)[2]
1939–1940

  • 5,400,000 troops (total)[1]
1944–1945

  • ~8,000,000 troops (total that served)[3]
  • ~2,000,000 troops (peak)[4]
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Are those supposed to be Russian numbers?
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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ttystikk said:
Yes. They got most of what they needed when they captured the Japanese atomic research facilities in what's now North Korea near the end of WWII.

The Roseburgs were helpful but contrary to the propaganda of the time, they were not a decisive factor.
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What about Fuchs and Greenglass?
Anyway, Russia had been researching atomic energy since about 1910 on their own. Fuchs and Greenglass merely sent Intel that confirmed untested Russian research and few critical missing pieces of the puzzle. North Korea merely supplied facilities to produce along with data.

Regardless how they got it...they got it...so the bomb wasn't much of a deterrent and the US knew it.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Gquebed said:
Are those supposed to be Russian numbers?
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They're from the Wikipedia article linked in the post. There were millions of Allied soldiers in Europe.

There were more Russians fighting in the East than allies in the West, but that doesn't mean no one was home in Normandy or Italy or North Africa.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Gquebed said:
What about Fuchs and Greenglass?
Anyway, Russia had been researching atomic energy since about 1910 on their own. Fuchs and Greenglass merely sent Intel that confirmed untested Russian research and few critical missing pieces of the puzzle. North Korea merely supplied facilities to produce along with data.

Regardless how they got it...they got it...so the bomb wasn't much of a deterrent and the US knew it.
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Not disputing your claims.

I think we can agree that the Russian bomb was inevitable and would have arrived soon after WWII whether or not any of these individual pieces actually contributed.
 
abandonconflict

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Gquebed said:
Lol
People die every day by the thousands....tens of thousands? From starvation, disease, etc. What is your point? Life is cheap. And when or if you ever travel a bit and learn something about the world you will habe to come to terms with that, as I have. If that makes me a dick then... ya. But ignorant? No. Not at all.
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Of course you were bound to run into someone who would object, this is an English speaking site after all. It is thanks to the Red Army that it is not German speaking. I agree with the point you are making underneath your insensitive approach, the Russian losses in WW2 are always downplayed and the West is very insensitive about the price Russia paid to save us all from Fascism. So I appreciate where you're coming from and the sacrifices Russians made in WW2.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Gquebed said:
Pearl Harbour? That's all you got. A quick hit and run attack on mostly ships and a few land targets that was over in minutes?
Hahahahahahahahahahahshahahhahahah

Nothing compared to England who suffered nightly bomb attacks on cities for a couple years. Or German cities every night for a couple years. Or Lenningrad/Stalingrad
Or .... many many ors....

The attack on Pearl Harbour was a Japaneese fart.
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you said "our grandparents have never been bombed at home"

3000+ died in the bombing of pearl harbor.

so you're wrong.

don't cry.
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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UncleBuck said:
you said "our grandparents have never been bombed at home"

3000+ died in the bombing of pearl harbor.

so you're wrong.

don't cry.
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I didn't anything about grandparents at any time anywhere on this site. Or if I did...i wasn't paying attention to auto correct...lol

Anyway...drop in the bucket those 3000. My dad's hometown lost 30000 to a bomb raid that lasted 2 days....mostly innocent women and children. Not soldiers on boats preparing for war.
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Gquebed said:
I didn't anything about grandparents at any time anywhere on this site. Or if I did...i wasn't paying attention to auto correct...lol

Anyway...drop in the bucket those 3000. My dad's hometown lost 30000 to a bomb raid that lasted 2 days....mostly innocent women and children. Not soldiers on boats preparing for war.
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is ellipsis abuse a pre-requisite for being retarded?
 
Gquebed

Gquebed

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ttystikk said:
They're from the Wikipedia article linked in the post. There were millions of Allied soldiers in Europe.

There were more Russians fighting in the East than allies in the West, but that doesn't mean no one was home in Normandy or Italy or North Africa.
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I will recheck my sources and get them to you....
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Gquebed said:
Lol
People die every day by the thousands....tens of thousands? From starvation, disease, etc. What is your point? Life is cheap. And when or if you ever travel a bit and learn something about the world you will habe to come to terms with that, as I have. If that makes me a dick then... ya. But ignorant? No. Not at all.
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If you go back and check his post to you, he said you sound like an ignorant dick. He was giving you the benefit of the doubt and didn't say you are an ignorant dick.

You sound like an ignorant dick
vs
You are an ignorant dick

or,

Your dick seems to be less ignorant than you are.
vs
Your dick is less ignorant than you are.

Can you see the difference now?

Is English your second language? I'm glad I could help. Let me know if you need any help with English. I'm pretty good at statistics too. Your estimates of troop numbers indicate you aren't very good at statistics. Just let me know.
 
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