Mr Neutron
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Edited for corrections... while sober.
When can the USA afford Peace?
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Edited for corrections... while sober.
Mr Neutron
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I agree.... wait.... what? Yeah, I agree with canndo.
It is not regressive imperialism, it is progressive imperialism.
Another thing to remember is that war drives our technology.
Mr Neutron
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Afghanistan, Iraq pt 1, Iraq pt2, Somalia, Grenada, Panama, Nicaragua, Viet Nam, Korea, WWII, WWI, Spanish-American, American War between the States, American Revolution?
Mr Neutron
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That, I agree with.
Mr Neutron
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Doer
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Well, we have to go back very, very far. Way beyond modern war, and before stones. Back to sticks. Here, I can see that it is war that comes first. I can see that the need to appeal to a higher power comes from War.
I said that to counter, not these example you provide, but to counter the very idea that Religion is the root of War. I say it is the other way around.
And, btw, good list Mr. N. I bet we could go back in an un-broken chain of conflicts, named and un-named, to fade, without end to the earliest times. I certainly can assume the population bottleneck in West Africa, 70,000 bce, was much worsened and lengthened by conflict. Almost no resources, perhaps less than 1000 humans left. I can see that War began there and spawned a need for Deity.
Now we still fight and still beg Deity for victory. Doesn't make Deity real. But, War is real, yes?
I said that to counter, not these example you provide, but to counter the very idea that Religion is the root of War. I say it is the other way around.
And, btw, good list Mr. N. I bet we could go back in an un-broken chain of conflicts, named and un-named, to fade, without end to the earliest times. I certainly can assume the population bottleneck in West Africa, 70,000 bce, was much worsened and lengthened by conflict. Almost no resources, perhaps less than 1000 humans left. I can see that War began there and spawned a need for Deity.
Now we still fight and still beg Deity for victory. Doesn't make Deity real. But, War is real, yes?
When I said historically, I meant like the Crusades ect. I should have clarified myself more when I said this:
Because many of the more modern wars claim to have various reasons other than religion.
And the war in Afghanistan and Iraq certainly had to do with religion. WWII definitely did, killing the Jews. Even the American Civil War had some religious reasons- Often southern, white, salve owning aristocrats thought that it was their God given rights to own and control black people. Almost all wars have SOME religious edge to them.
Mr Neutron
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Oh, excuse me, the OP says "USA" so, naturally I thought we were talking about the US.
Mr Neutron
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see above post
Mr Neutron
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I'm no fan of organized religion but I'm not blinded by hate, either. Your view of history has no gravitas.
UncleBuck
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Red1966
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Osama was shot twice! The first shot was a fatal one, tho.
Red1966
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Cops are always bullies.
danbridge
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I think if the entire world bows down to all the whims of the USA, there will be peace. The USA is policing the world for its own best interests. Is as if we have some kind of plan to democratize (is that a word?) all the countries so we can control them. But we are making big mistakes. We gave all of our policing money to China. I am not stating this as fact, i am stating IMHO
Red1966
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That's a novel thought. I can't argue with it. I know that it does happen, but not that it is universal.
danbridge
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I'll tend to agree with that. It may not always be the number 1 reason, but it sure has been prevailant over the years.
