Where did your God come from?

thepenofareadywriter said:

I think that's the way most people see it... as a confidence, but biblically...it requires evidence, real biblical faith would be if you believe the empty cup will have coffee in it after praying to the god for coffee... there will be coffee...no coffee= no faith...that's according to biblical rules

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Exactly right. Religious leaders and followers like to conflate the different contextual meanings of faith when it is convenient. When you question faith, they point out that you have faith (confidence) that the sun will rise. Or they say you have faith that your husband/wife wont cheat on you (trust). But, when you press them, they have to admit that faith only borrows these definitions from words we already have and which work better. Faith really means make-believe. It means taking a short-cut to belief and skipping over the criteria which is usually required. It's belief in spite of reason, and they present this as somehow being a virtue.

Once that occurs faith becomes many more things. A tool by which others can manipulate you. A rope around your neck that allows you to be led where others want you to go. A beacon that serves to keep you consistently off course from reality. Some will say that faith can inspire hope, determination and perseverance, but it is belief that leads to those things, not faith. Faith is just the shortcut.

Someone said to me the other day while i was trying to explain all this and I'll tell you what she said ......" Oo i cant be bothered thinking deep into understanding what life is made of, id rather just sit on the earth and enjoy its pleasures"


she forgot we do too with the added bonus of understanding what exactly it is we love.

there's nothing else to know but enjoy and wonder why



and there's nothing wrong with trying to understand what your car is made of or who/what is driving it or driving them ........ The mind wonders

mainliner said:

Someone said to me the other day while i was trying to explain all this and I'll tell you what she said ......" Oo i cant be bothered thinking deep into understanding what life is made of, id rather just sit on the earth and enjoy its pleasures"


she forgot we do too with the added bonus of understanding what exactly it is we love.

there's nothing else to know but enjoy and wonder why



and there's nothing wrong with trying to understand what your car is made of or who/what is driving it or driving them ........ The mind wonders

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life the way it is now is a lie a complex deluted lie .............life is so simple even one cell things can do it

the way life is pop out the kid 3 years old preschool by 5 in school to 18 possible to 22 or 24 depending on what wants to do (1/4 of the life gone just to learn to function in this complex mess they call life ) then u spend the next 40/50 years working and savingmoney to the point were u can stop and just have the last 1/6 1/4 of life to live and do what u want on the amount of money u saved

i do not care to sit in traffic ....or a dmv or anything remotely to do with anything with government ......but u are forced too other wise they harm u in some manner (do what i say or i will hurt u )

"Fidere"

to trust

That's about it.

"Faith is not simply admiration, but something that arises from a deep understanding of the teachings..." - The 14th Dalai Lama, Illuminating the Path to Enlightenment

Faith is the opposite of proof, right? FOR SOME, it describes inner bench tests that develop trust in the same (but opposite) way that more 'literal' ones do.

""" Evidence doesn't need to be shared to be proven """

ask any lucid dreamer ......... MILE HIGH PILES OF EVIDENCE BUT NON TO SHARE .

What if everything you you have been told from the time you were put in the public education system to the time you left it you were lied to and only told what the powers that be want you to know wake up and start doing some research on your own

slingblade69 said:

What if everything you you have been told from the time you were put in the public education system to the time you left it you were lied to and only told what the powers that be want you to know wake up and start doing some research on your own

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Well what better way to do research and talk to the people? If you're saying that everything I learned in school from all the books I've read Were Lies than I am no better off Looking things up then I am talking to people.

Super its not just about talking to people to me it's researching the real history of how long we have actually been on this planet go on YouTube and watch lost global civilization its very interesting

slingblade69 said:

Super its not just about talking to people to me it's researching the real history of how long we have actually been on this planet go on YouTube and watch lost global civilization its very interesting

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Yeah I spend most of my time watching videos like that online. But if I am to believe that everything I have been taught is a lie then how am I supposed to believe anything else?

A better idea is to actually read peer-reviewed, scientific research from many diverse fields. The pictures they paint all come together in an elegant, non-contradictory fashion that is verifiable. It may not be as fun as whacky YT vids, but worth it if accurate information and reality is of any concern...

superloud said:

I like the idea of being in someone sick dream

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I wish that sumbitch would wake up already.

mudminer said:

I wish that sumbitch would wake up already.

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On no not me Because then all this craziness I get to live there comes to an end

superloud said:

But then where did your God come from. I understand you believe he is everything and made everything but where did he come from

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Right!? If god created us them who created god.... I hate religion... It's just something made up to give people something to believe and put their faith in.

sno capz said:

Right!? If god created us them who created god.... I hate religion... It's just something made up to give people something to believe and put their faith in.

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What do you believe happened then? You don't believe in any sort of creator? What is your view on how everything started.

I just think if I'm going to believe in something I need proof showing where this "god" came from. I believe something created the human race but I cannot say I believe in any theory until it is proven... I know... Kinda contradictory... But that's my stance on this subject...

We believe in what we know... All religions are fraud...

sno capz said:

I just think if I'm going to believe in something I need proof showing where this "god" came from. I believe something created the human race but I cannot say I believe in any theory until it is proven... I know... Kinda contradictory... But that's my stance on this subject...

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I'm the same way except i don't "know" there was a creator. i keep an open mind to both science and religon because i don't know either way i mean unless god or some Alien race show up and tell us we will never know our origins

CenkTripper said:

We believe in what we know... All religions are fraud...

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But there is no defenitive way of saying religon is fraud. because no one knows pr ever will know how it started

Religion is a fraud.
Religion started when the very first man, shyster/thief/scumbag realized he could control the people by winding tales of gods in explaining fire, wind, lightning etc. It started very, very early in mans existence and has thrived like the virus it is.
The two worst words in the world, in any language, faith and worship.

superloud said:

But there is no defenitive way of saying religon is fraud. because no one knows pr ever will know how it started

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It doesn't matter how it started... What we will pass to the next generations, that's the real question... A system created and managed by bad people, that's not what I want for my kids. Religion is an old business full of fraud, just like nobility, banking system and so called democracy. They are all frauds... It's a game for converting lions to mice, free people to slaves...

But every baby is born with fresh councience, if we manage to clear our civilization from those frauds, the golden age of humanity and the whole ecosystem will flourish.... That should be the priority of all the good people...