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Chrissii2stoned

Chrissii2stoned

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I have a question. I had some seeds that have been hanging around for quite a long time. I have been thinking about growing for a while now and I think I am ready. I started germinating them yesterday and they are already cracking. I am going to the store tonight but I am not exactly sure what I need to buy. I know that I need cups and soil and lights to start with (that should get me through till sat...payday). I am not sure how many lights to get. I am far from any gardening store with only a family dollar and food lion within an hours drive. do you have any idea what light and how many i should grab tonight for about 2 or 3 plants (seedlings)? thanks for the help
 
Snow Crash

Snow Crash

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A couple 20ish watt Day light CFL bulbs will work.

Do not purchase Miracle Grow with Moisture Control. Of all the soil you could choose, this is the worst.

Also, you will want to purchase both soil and perlite. Mix the perlite in with the soil at one part perlite to two parts soil (33% of the mix is perlite). That's a little more than some people use (most are around 25% perlite) but as a new grower you'll want the extra aeration to prevent over watering.

Good luck man!
 
Chrissii2stoned

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Snow Crash said:
A couple 20ish watt Day light CFL bulbs will work.

Do not purchase Miracle Grow with Moisture Control. Of all the soil you could choose, this is the worst.

Also, you will want to purchase both soil and perlite. Mix the perlite in with the soil at one part perlite to two parts soil (33% of the mix is perlite). That's a little more than some people use (most are around 25% perlite) but as a new grower you'll want the extra aeration to prevent over watering.

Good luck man!
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thanks for the help. i got some soil with perlite already in it but i am going to add extra. totally appreciate the help
 
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alallen

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I have 6 germinated seeds in 16oz cups with a sandwich bag on each cup for humidity. I also have one 2ft T5 for lighting. Will this work for propagation? This is my first grow. I left out that I was using FF light warior for medium.
 
Snow Crash

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~THE~SAINT~,
I prefer standard reflectors for square grow areas and horizontal positioning. On another site a person had done extensive testing with a lot of different reflectors. For the money the Cool Sun reflectors have the best distribution of energy.

I think cool tubes are better suited to vertical growing without any reflection.

600w in that tent would be perfect.
 
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Cool beans glad to know i ordered the right one i banked out over eight on this setup but if you going to do it guess you need to to it right thank you dam can't wait till my system comes in got everything but the grow room dam ups lol thanks
 
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second grow ever first grow i only got three zips out of two plant beginner i guess have done alot of reading so no more do it yourself makeshift this time as they say get out of the closet
 
regina martinez

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I have two plants growing under a T5...they are about 4 inches from the light. temp is about 75 to 82 humidity about 38 to 42. the plants just seem as though they are troubled, i cant tell if maybe they need more humidity....if they are too close to lamp...or they are just adjusting. Ive only had clones for about a week.
any thoughts?
 

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bassman999

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I have a few problems with my clones. I have yellowing of the leaves on one plant a different one has burned extreme tips, and all have several purple stems. here is a pic of the yellowing

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Snow Crash

Snow Crash

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regina martinez said:
I have two plants growing under a T5...they are about 4 inches from the light. temp is about 75 to 82 humidity about 38 to 42. the plants just seem as though they are troubled, i cant tell if maybe they need more humidity....if they are too close to lamp...or they are just adjusting. Ive only had clones for about a week.
any thoughts?
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Over watered by the look of the soil and the droop of the leaves. Let that soil dry before watering again. Perlite is an important component of a good indoor potting soil for the aeration properties.

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I have a few problems with my clones. I have yellowing of the leaves on one plant a different one has burned extreme tips, and all have several purple stems. here is a pic of the yellowing

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Over fed or hot soil, possibly acidic soil. Flush the media and ensure your pH is in range. That should help. If feeding with nutrients reduce your levels. If no nutrients then focus on flushing the soil to balance the pH and remove any excess fertilizers.
 
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Snow Crash said:
Over watered by the look of the soil and the droop of the leaves. Let that soil dry before watering again. Perlite is an important component of a good indoor potting soil for the aeration properties.



Over fed or hot soil, possibly acidic soil. Flush the media and ensure your pH is in range. That should help. If feeding with nutrients reduce your levels. If no nutrients then focus on flushing the soil to balance the pH and remove any excess fertilizers.
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I use sunshine mix 4. I had some yellowing of one leaf when I got the clone. Clone was planted in 3 ltr pot 11 days ago. I have watered it 2x now. 1st time with water 2nd time with slightly less that the recommended amount of fertilizer. It was 1tsp dry granules per gallon.

Should I flush it even though the soil is still wet from last feeding?

Looks like the soil has some fertilizer built in. Never listen to the idiots at the hydro store. They told me it didnt and to feed it.... also says soil has a ph of 5.5 to 6.5 I dont know if that is normal or not and if it makes a difference? My tap water is 6.5 from the faucet. Should I just run 2x the pot volume through it then?
 
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Peat is notoriously acidic.

I'd definitely address the pH before altering the feeding.

The more information you provide up front will help people diagnose your issue. You should have included your media, your fertilizer brand, amount, and frequency, as well as pH information. Temperature and humidity as well. This is all important for you to dial in right and important to share with people who try to help you.

If you are not measuring the pH, or if it has been under 5.8, then that is almost definitely going to be an issue down the road. Acidic media will begin to lock out magnesium, which is what I think I'm seeing in your plant. Magnesium deficiency looks A LOT like nutrient toxicity, except it is focused on the tips of the leaves and works it way back while natural mag deficiency is a little more even. The tips of your leaves also indicate some kind of burning, but it could be temperature based and I cannot be certain of anything right now without more info.

Dial the pH. Let us know what the NPK is on your nutrients (as well as any trace included like Calcium, Magnesium, Sulfur, Iron, etc). Keep your temps under 80 and things should work out over time.
 
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Snow Crash said:
Peat is notoriously acidic.

I'd definitely address the pH before altering the feeding.

The more information you provide up front will help people diagnose your issue. You should have included your media, your fertilizer brand, amount, and frequency, as well as pH information. Temperature and humidity as well. This is all important for you to dial in right and important to share with people who try to help you. I dont have a ph meter yet. I am gonna get one asap. I forgot to mention the variables at 1st.
If you are not measuring the pH, or if it has been under 5.8, then that is almost definitely going to be an issue down the road. Acidic media will begin to lock out magnesium, which is what I think I'm seeing in your plant. Magnesium deficiency looks A LOT like nutrient toxicity, except it is focused on the tips of the leaves and works it way back while natural mag deficiency is a little more even. The tips of your leaves also indicate some kind of burning, but it could be temperature based and I cannot be certain of anything right now without more info.

Dial the pH. Let us know what the NPK is on your nutrients (as well as any trace included like Calcium, Magnesium, Sulfur, Iron, etc). Keep your temps under 80 and things should work out over time.
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I am using the hydrofarm grow nutrient (granules). It has 20-6-16. calcium 1.6% mg .50% sulfur .60% boron .02% chlorine.11% cobalt .0005% copper .05% fe .10% mn .05% mo .0005$ zinc .05%
temps were up to 90* but that was for just one day. The temp are between 68-79* now. humidity 40-45%
I am going to get a ph meter soon.
 
Snow Crash

Snow Crash

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bassman999 said:
I havent since my last set of plants, but that was different nutrients and different soil....so I actually have no idea.
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Ringa ding ding ding!!!!

Soo.... What do you think now?

Hydroponics requires the measurement of pH. Coco fiber can be a bit more forgiving but peat is just too temperamental a media when it comes to acidity. Get back to basics and things will be fine. You can fix this problem fast.

I might suggest you mix 1 tsp epsom salt with 1 gallon water and a drop of dish soap and give the under side of your leaves a quick misting just as the lights come on in the morning. This should slow the Mg issue while you try and get the pH under control.

1 tsp per gallon of your nutrients should actually be more than enough food for this stage of life, IMO. I also think the ratio is a bit off, with so little Phosphorus to nitrogen. Also, there's not much Nitrogen to Calcium or Magnesium as well. As I look at it, it's an ass load of N... I think a more balanced nutrient running closer to 3-2-4 with 1.5% calcium and 0.5% Magnesium. You can still have a 21-14-28 with 10.5% calcium and 3.5% magnesium, because the ratio is the same. You'll need to use less of a higher concentration of course, but I think you could maybe invest in some different nutrients. An $8 bottle of Botanicare CNS 17 Grow Hydro would solve any nutrient imbalance problem for sure.
 
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