dirtsurfr
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I'd say Bring it Bitches!!!!
Will America fall eventually?
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ClaytonBigsby
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Me too, and I'd wish my gov't didn't take my M4s and high cap mags so I could help defend her properly.
they need lovin too. lmao.
makaha99
Active Member
Weren't there some people calling for former president W. Bush to be tried as a war criminal?
haulinbass
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lol then who would america borrow money from if china was gone?
see4
Well-Known Member
i'm with ya man. but when you are the big kid on the block, usually you get to push people around, it's human nature. im not saying its right or fair, im saying its just the way it is. id rather it be us than someone else.
wheels619
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ahh i feel the same but im also starting to feel like we are slowly losing the title of the biggest kid on the block. we are actually in a steady downhill pace to our end. we have fucked so much shit up in the past that we might be losing the u.s. dollar as the worlds bases for trade just becuz we are so far into debt that the world might be considering getting rid of it for fear of our collapsing economy. if we lose this we will fall guaranteed. it will only be a matter of time before other countries become rich like we did and take over the position as the biggest kid. makes me miss the good old days. like 20+ years ago when i was a kid and gave a lot less shit about everything.
see4
Well-Known Member
I agree with you that fiscally we may no longer hold the advantage. But when I mentioned being the biggest kid on the block, I was referring to military might. The biggest kid on the block could also be the poorest, but he is still big, and can still kick butt. With military spending being 5, 6, 7 times that of the next country, we will be the biggest kid on the block for a long time to come, regardless of our monetary value.
wheels619
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its hard to be the big kid on the block with the biggest army if you cant afford to fuel that army. we will be more than broke if we lose the u.s. dollar for the official currency for world trade. no one would want to trade with us. we would first have to convert our money into another form. everything would skyrocket in price becuz we would have to pay more to ship it from the countries that are still willing to trade with the country that destroyed most of the worlds economy just to make a few bucks. we would become a 3rd world country in a matter of 10 years max in my opinion. gas would cost us 3 times what it does now. how could we possibly keep up with other countries that can afford to pay for everything becuz they are not in debt and or they took over the monetary note for world trade. they will then be the worlds superpower. we created the system for the bases of trade all over the world if we lose it we will fall. we couldnt keep up as a people if our government keeps up the way it is. too many non voters and lazy asses out there to actually make a change.
haulinbass
Well-Known Member
be glad your freindly neighbor to the north has the largest oil reserves in the world, all the protesters against the keystone are only digging their hole deeper and fucking with my paycheck.(as i will be on that project)
wheels619
Well-Known Member
so they have an oil reserve. how long do you think we will have access to it as a broke ass fucked up ass country? not to mention how long do you expect a reserve to last? we as greedy americans would have it run dry in months.
haulinbass
Well-Known Member
there is more oil in the canadian north than everywhere else on earth combined. litterally you can dig a hole here and find crude, our dirt will light on fire its so saturated. we have been pulling hundreds of thousands of barrels a day everyday for over 30 years(my family has worked in the oilpatch since the 60s). 90% of it goes to you guys and you return it as finished goods(gas, plastic/rubber). this oil and natural gas reserve being pretty much exclusively for americans its what keeps china from gaining the resources it needs to grow at the pace they could. america has pretty much ensured its future(maybey not democracy tho) by stratigicly controlling the worlds resources. you have food almost on lockdown( corn is basicly a monstato patent now) we can joke that america may fall but it will only be democracy that does. corparate money already controls this planet.
wheels619
Well-Known Member
very true. well put. but shit can still hit the fan either way.
cannabineer
Ursus marijanus
Canada is country #3 on the list of countries ordered by size of proven reserves. They figured the heavies (like tar sands) into that ordering. cn
meechz 024
Active Member
Everybody needs to watch the Big Fix.
The idea of Democracy in America is slowly losing interest. Simply, because Democracy doesn't work with Capitalism.
You can't have democracy and capitalism, it's one or the other. We make belief we are a democracy to keep balance with the voting systems and all that irrelevant bullshit.
America is about capitalism first and foremost and building your own empires. That's what corporations become.
Building "empires and establishing "colonies" are not ways of the past. It's all done in a business sense nowadays.
Instead of direct invasion, businessmen from powerful countries take control, influence and authority over developing countries by capitalizing on them. The developing and vulnerable governments get treated with bribes to allow it, and eventually succumb to the more lucrative system, and try to emulate it. They can't because they don't have the business sense, and they only turn their country into a bigger fucking mess than it was before.
BP Oil, was started through similar means. When the british were occupying Iran, they discovered the oceans of oil there and decided to steal it through corrupt treaties. The Iranians finally revolted to get their oil back and were defeated with the help of the Soviets.
I read this comment somewhere in my research
"The powerful interests of those who hold capital significantly distorts the democratic process in countries which do hold elections, etc (like in the USA for e.g.). And the more unbridled and deregulated capitalism is, the worse this becomes.
The idea of Democracy in America is slowly losing interest. Simply, because Democracy doesn't work with Capitalism.
You can't have democracy and capitalism, it's one or the other. We make belief we are a democracy to keep balance with the voting systems and all that irrelevant bullshit.
America is about capitalism first and foremost and building your own empires. That's what corporations become.
Building "empires and establishing "colonies" are not ways of the past. It's all done in a business sense nowadays.
Instead of direct invasion, businessmen from powerful countries take control, influence and authority over developing countries by capitalizing on them. The developing and vulnerable governments get treated with bribes to allow it, and eventually succumb to the more lucrative system, and try to emulate it. They can't because they don't have the business sense, and they only turn their country into a bigger fucking mess than it was before.
BP Oil, was started through similar means. When the british were occupying Iran, they discovered the oceans of oil there and decided to steal it through corrupt treaties. The Iranians finally revolted to get their oil back and were defeated with the help of the Soviets.
I read this comment somewhere in my research
"The powerful interests of those who hold capital significantly distorts the democratic process in countries which do hold elections, etc (like in the USA for e.g.). And the more unbridled and deregulated capitalism is, the worse this becomes.
ClaytonBigsby
Well-Known Member
http://www.moneynews.com/MKTNews/billionaires-dump-economist-stock/2012/08/29/id/450265?PROMO_CODE=110D8-1&utm_source=taboola
Billionaires Dumping Stocks, Economist Knows Why
Wednesday, 06 Feb 2013 01:59 PM
By Newsmax Wires
Despite the 6.5% stock market rally over the last threemonths, a handful of billionaires are quietly dumping their American stocks . .. and fast.
Warren Buffett, who has been a cheerleader for U.S. stocksfor quite some time, is dumping shares at an alarming rate. He recentlycomplained of “disappointing performance” in dyed-in-the-wool Americancompanies like Johnson & Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and Kraft Foods.
In the latest filing for Buffett’s holding company BerkshireHathaway, Buffett has been drastically reducing his exposure to stocks thatdepend on consumer purchasing habits. Berkshire sold roughly 19 million sharesof Johnson & Johnson, and reduced his overall stake in “consumer productstocks” by 21%. Berkshire Hathaway also sold its entire stake inCalifornia-based computer parts supplier Intel.
With 70% of the U.S. economy dependent on consumer spending,Buffett’s apparent lack of faith in these companies’ future prospects isworrisome.
Unfortunately Buffett isn’t alone.
Fellow billionaire John Paulson, who made a fortune bettingon the subprime mortgage meltdown, is clearing out of U.S. stocks too. Duringthe second quarter of the year, Paulson’s hedge fund, Paulson & Co., dumped14 million shares of JPMorgan Chase. The fund also dumped its entire positionin discount retailer Family Dollar and consumer-goods maker Sara Lee.
Finally, billionaire George Soros recently sold nearly allof his bank stocks, including shares of JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, and GoldmanSachs. Between the three banks, Soros sold more than a million shares.
So why are these billionaires dumping their shares of U.S.companies?
After all, the stock market is still in the midst of itshistoric rally. Real estate prices have finally leveled off, and for the firsttime in five years are actually rising in many locations. And the unemploymentrate seems to have stabilized.
It’s very likely that these professional investors are awareof specific research that points toward a massive market correction, as much as90%.
One such person publishing this research is Robert Wiedemer,an esteemed economist and author of the New York Times best-selling bookAftershock.
Editor’s Note: Wiedemer Gives Proof for His Dire Predictionsin This Shocking Interview.
Before you dismiss the possibility of a 90% drop in thestock market as unrealistic, consider Wiedemer’s credentials.
In 2006, Wiedemer and a team of economists accuratelypredicted the collapse of the U.S. housing market, equity markets, and consumerspending that almost sank the United States. They published their research inthe book America’s Bubble Economy.
The book quickly grabbed headlines for its accuracy inpredicting what many thought would never happen, and quickly establishedWiedemer as a trusted voice.
A columnist at Dow Jones said the book was “one of thoserare finds that not only predicted the subprime credit meltdown well inadvance, it offered Main Street investors a winning strategy that helped avoidthe forty percent losses that followed . . .”
The chief investment strategist at Standard & Poor’ssaid that Wiedemer’s track record “demands our attention.”
And finally, the former CFO of Goldman Sachs said Wiedemer’s“prescience in (his) first book lends credence to the new warnings. This bookdeserves our attention.”
In the interview for his latest blockbuster Aftershock,Wiedemer says the 90% drop in the stock market is “a worst-case scenario,” andthe host quickly challenged this claim.
Wiedemer calmly laid out a clear explanation of why a largedrop of some sort is a virtual certainty.
It starts with the reckless strategy of the Federal Reserveto print a massive amount of money out of thin air in an attempt to stimulatethe economy.
“These funds haven’t made it into the markets and theeconomy yet. But it is a mathematical certainty that once the dam breaks, andthis money passes through the reserves and hits the markets, inflation willsurge,” said Wiedemer.
“Once you hit 10% inflation, 10-year Treasury bonds loseabout half their value. And by 20%, any value is all but gone. Interest rateswill increase dramatically at this point, and that will cause real estatevalues to collapse. And the stock market will collapse as a consequence ofthese other problems.”
See the Proof: Get the Full Interview by Clicking Here Now.
And this is where Wiedemer explains why Buffett, Paulson,and Soros could be dumping U.S. stocks:
“Companies will be spending more money on borrowing coststhan business expansion costs. That means lower profit margins, lowerdividends, and less hiring. Plus, more layoffs.”
No investors, let alone billionaires, will want to ownstocks with falling profit margins and shrinking dividends. So if that’s whyBuffett, Paulson, and Soros are dumping stocks, they have decided to cash outearly and leave Main Street investors holding the bag.
But Main Street investors don’t have to see their investmentand retirement accounts decimated for the second time in five years.
Wiedemer’s video interview also contains a comprehensiveblueprint for economic survival that’s really commanding global attention.
Now viewed over 40 million times, it was initially screenedfor a relatively small, private audience. But the overwhelming amount offeedback from viewers who felt the interview should be widely publicized camewith consequences, as various online networks repeatedly shut it down andaffiliates refused to house the content.
Billionaires Dumping Stocks, Economist Knows Why
Wednesday, 06 Feb 2013 01:59 PM
By Newsmax Wires
Despite the 6.5% stock market rally over the last threemonths, a handful of billionaires are quietly dumping their American stocks . .. and fast.
Warren Buffett, who has been a cheerleader for U.S. stocksfor quite some time, is dumping shares at an alarming rate. He recentlycomplained of “disappointing performance” in dyed-in-the-wool Americancompanies like Johnson & Johnson, Procter & Gamble, and Kraft Foods.
In the latest filing for Buffett’s holding company BerkshireHathaway, Buffett has been drastically reducing his exposure to stocks thatdepend on consumer purchasing habits. Berkshire sold roughly 19 million sharesof Johnson & Johnson, and reduced his overall stake in “consumer productstocks” by 21%. Berkshire Hathaway also sold its entire stake inCalifornia-based computer parts supplier Intel.
With 70% of the U.S. economy dependent on consumer spending,Buffett’s apparent lack of faith in these companies’ future prospects isworrisome.
Unfortunately Buffett isn’t alone.
Fellow billionaire John Paulson, who made a fortune bettingon the subprime mortgage meltdown, is clearing out of U.S. stocks too. Duringthe second quarter of the year, Paulson’s hedge fund, Paulson & Co., dumped14 million shares of JPMorgan Chase. The fund also dumped its entire positionin discount retailer Family Dollar and consumer-goods maker Sara Lee.
Finally, billionaire George Soros recently sold nearly allof his bank stocks, including shares of JPMorgan Chase, Citigroup, and GoldmanSachs. Between the three banks, Soros sold more than a million shares.
So why are these billionaires dumping their shares of U.S.companies?
After all, the stock market is still in the midst of itshistoric rally. Real estate prices have finally leveled off, and for the firsttime in five years are actually rising in many locations. And the unemploymentrate seems to have stabilized.
It’s very likely that these professional investors are awareof specific research that points toward a massive market correction, as much as90%.
One such person publishing this research is Robert Wiedemer,an esteemed economist and author of the New York Times best-selling bookAftershock.
Editor’s Note: Wiedemer Gives Proof for His Dire Predictionsin This Shocking Interview.
Before you dismiss the possibility of a 90% drop in thestock market as unrealistic, consider Wiedemer’s credentials.
In 2006, Wiedemer and a team of economists accuratelypredicted the collapse of the U.S. housing market, equity markets, and consumerspending that almost sank the United States. They published their research inthe book America’s Bubble Economy.
The book quickly grabbed headlines for its accuracy inpredicting what many thought would never happen, and quickly establishedWiedemer as a trusted voice.
A columnist at Dow Jones said the book was “one of thoserare finds that not only predicted the subprime credit meltdown well inadvance, it offered Main Street investors a winning strategy that helped avoidthe forty percent losses that followed . . .”
The chief investment strategist at Standard & Poor’ssaid that Wiedemer’s track record “demands our attention.”
And finally, the former CFO of Goldman Sachs said Wiedemer’s“prescience in (his) first book lends credence to the new warnings. This bookdeserves our attention.”
In the interview for his latest blockbuster Aftershock,Wiedemer says the 90% drop in the stock market is “a worst-case scenario,” andthe host quickly challenged this claim.
Wiedemer calmly laid out a clear explanation of why a largedrop of some sort is a virtual certainty.
It starts with the reckless strategy of the Federal Reserveto print a massive amount of money out of thin air in an attempt to stimulatethe economy.
“These funds haven’t made it into the markets and theeconomy yet. But it is a mathematical certainty that once the dam breaks, andthis money passes through the reserves and hits the markets, inflation willsurge,” said Wiedemer.
“Once you hit 10% inflation, 10-year Treasury bonds loseabout half their value. And by 20%, any value is all but gone. Interest rateswill increase dramatically at this point, and that will cause real estatevalues to collapse. And the stock market will collapse as a consequence ofthese other problems.”
See the Proof: Get the Full Interview by Clicking Here Now.
And this is where Wiedemer explains why Buffett, Paulson,and Soros could be dumping U.S. stocks:
“Companies will be spending more money on borrowing coststhan business expansion costs. That means lower profit margins, lowerdividends, and less hiring. Plus, more layoffs.”
No investors, let alone billionaires, will want to ownstocks with falling profit margins and shrinking dividends. So if that’s whyBuffett, Paulson, and Soros are dumping stocks, they have decided to cash outearly and leave Main Street investors holding the bag.
But Main Street investors don’t have to see their investmentand retirement accounts decimated for the second time in five years.
Wiedemer’s video interview also contains a comprehensiveblueprint for economic survival that’s really commanding global attention.
Now viewed over 40 million times, it was initially screenedfor a relatively small, private audience. But the overwhelming amount offeedback from viewers who felt the interview should be widely publicized camewith consequences, as various online networks repeatedly shut it down andaffiliates refused to house the content.
mike.hotel
Active Member
Unfortunately, America and the Human Race will fail. It is inevitable.
see4
Well-Known Member
All bullshit. Just a ploy to get American's to think Obama is ruining our country.
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