Will Congress act now?

Will the Congress enact more gun control?

  • Oh, yea, absolutely!

    Votes: 2 5.4%

  • Never fucking happen

    Votes: 35 94.6%
  • Total voters
    37
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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FOX Radio was quite telling today. Both Hannity and Libaugh were in total, very obvious lockstep on loudly and wrongly (the favorite mode of the right) repeating one lie over and over. That lie is that the guns used in the massacre were illegal guns and that the shooter violated the law in obtaining them - so why would gun laws have mattered?

For Hannity, this is no big deal - he is a consummate liar on a daily basis, but Limbaugh is much more careful typically. Limbaugh usually relies on his call in guests to lie for him by carefully choosing them and just playing along - giving him plausible deniability. This is easy to do because, well, they are pretty dumb in the first place. Today Limbaugh was choosing guests very well. One of them was saying he saw the FBI profiler on FOX say that the shooter chose his victims carefully because he hates right-wing country and western concert goers because they voted for Trump so he was clearly an Obama supporter. "Really?!" Rush would say. I do not believe such an exchange happened - even on FOX.

The fact of the matter is that there is no evidence whatsoever that any of the guns used were obtained illegally. Rush leapfrogged off of that by exonerating the NRA completely. Hannity pointed out that Hillary said that the NRA and the Republicans are complicate "in other words, she said it is all the Republicans' fault." Yes, in other words - in words she did not use. Hannity pointed out the type of sick person that Hillary is; the type that uses a massive tragedy to score cheap, politic points. He "would never do that" - lol. That is exactly what he would do and anybody that thinks that he would not be doing exactly that if this was a black man or an Arab is delusional.

But hey, that is what thought guides are for.

I do not believe for a minute that today's performances by these consummate performers and entertainers is an accident. They are in a blind panic and their overlords are calling in chits.
 
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Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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Unclebaldrick said:
FOX Radio was quite telling today. Both Hannity and Libaugh were in total, very obvious lockstep on loudly and wrongly (the favorite mode of the right) repeating one lie over and over. That lie is that the guns used in the massacre were illegal guns and that the shooter violated the law in obtaining them - so why would gun laws have mattered?

For Hannity, this is no big deal - he is a consummate liar on a daily basis, but Limbaugh is much more careful typically. Limbaugh usually relies on his call in guests to lie for him by carefully choosing them and just playing along - giving him plausible deniability. This is easy to do because, well, they are pretty dumb in the first place. Today Limbaugh was choosing guests very well. One of them was saying he saw the FBI profiler on FOX say that the shooter chose his victims carefully because he hates right-wing country and western concert goers because they voted for Trump so he was clearly an Obama supporter. "Really?!" Rush would say. I do not believe such an exchange happened - even on FOX.

The fact of the matter is that there is no evidence whatsoever that any of the guns used were obtained illegally. Rush leapfrogged off of that by exonerating the NRA completely. Hannity pointed out that Hillary said that the NRA and the Republicans are complicate "in other words, she said it is all the Republicans' fault." Yes, in other words - in words she did not use. Hannity pointed out the type of sick person that Hillary is; the type that uses a massive tragedy to score cheap, politic points. He "would never do that" - lol. That is exactly what he would do and anybody that thinks that he would not be doing exactly that if this was a black man or an Arab is delusional.

But hey, that is what thought guides are for.

I do not believe for a minute that today's performances by these consummate performers and entertainers is an accident. They are in a blind panic and their overlords are calling in chits.
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Like most Americans, I'm somewhere in the middle on the gun issue.
It is sad when people with strong opinions about guns, embarrass themselves with a complete lack of knowledge on the subject.
Examples:
Calling rifles with detachable magazines "Assault rifles". (Assault rifles are fully automatic by definition.)
Calling assault rifles "machine guns", simply because they are fully automatic.
:dunce::dunce:

And now I have a question for everyone bitching about firearms:
Exactly what do you want? (Be specific because details matter.)
 
Lord Kanti

Lord Kanti

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Chunky Stool said:
Like most Americans, I'm somewhere in the middle on the gun issue.
It is sad when people with strong opinions about guns, embarrass themselves with a complete lack of knowledge on the subject.
Examples:
Calling rifles with detachable magazines "Assault rifles". (Assault rifles are fully automatic by definition.)
Calling assault rifles "machine guns", simply because they are fully automatic.
:dunce::dunce:

And now I have a question for everyone bitching about firearms:
Exactly what do you want? (Be specific because details matter.)
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reverse the deinstitutionalization of America and focus on the mental well-being of Americans. Those mentally incapable of functioning within society and pose a risk to the general public should be treated as such.
 
Chunky Stool

Chunky Stool

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Lord Kanti said:
reverse the deinstitutionalization of America and focus on the mental well-being of Americans. Those mentally incapable of functioning within society and pose a risk to the general public should be treated as such.
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Please list the mental conditions that should exclude people from firearms ownership. Does a doctor have to make this determination?
Who takes possession of guns from those who are unworthy? Does ownership transfer?
What if the person gets better? When/how can they get their guns back?
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

Well-Known Member
Chunky Stool said:
Like most Americans, I'm somewhere in the middle on the gun issue.
It is sad when people with strong opinions about guns, embarrass themselves with a complete lack of knowledge on the subject.
Examples:
Calling rifles with detachable magazines "Assault rifles". (Assault rifles are fully automatic by definition.)
Calling assault rifles "machine guns", simply because they are fully automatic.
:dunce::dunce:

And now I have a question for everyone bitching about firearms:
Exactly what do you want? (Be specific because details matter.)
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A national policy would be nice. Background checks with no sales allowed to those with certain mental conditions best decided on by people with more knowledge than me. A national registry for at least certain types of guns, perhaps with exceptions for shotguns, .22 cal and or revolvers under or at .38 cal. No immediate sales - waiting periods for everything. Eliminating the sale of military grade weapons such as the AR-15 and AK-47, small caliber hypersonic loads - I realize that some hunting calibers are just as powerful, even more powerful. I would want limitations on the size and weight of long rifle, they should be pretty large and heavy with a maximum of ten or so rounds. I would restrict the number of rounds for handguns at a dozen or so.

I would eliminate concealed carry without an established reason and close registration.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

Well-Known Member
Chunky Stool said:
Please list the mental conditions that should exclude people from firearms ownership. Does a doctor have to make this determination?
Who takes possession of guns from those who are unworthy? Does ownership transfer?
What if the person gets better? When/how can they get their guns back?
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Perhaps the NIH needs to be allowed to do a study on this. I will decide and get the weapons. Yes, ownership will transfer - no backsies.
 
SoOLED

SoOLED

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there are far better ways to harm/kill (mass) people then guns. in fact, if you want to inflict a lot damage: I think guns are really a poor choice. (now that I'm on some list for typing that)

anyways the problem here is not the delivery of doom, but the cause. our mental health system is piss poor, in the light of countries like japan of other well funded health care societies see a lot less of this kind of stuff.

I mean, our mental sanitariums are in the open streets. we closed and keep closing programs, and hospitals for people to find help. or make it out of reach because of cost.

the fact that he used a GUN, if the very least of the problems in this incident. why people keep pointing at guns is beyond me, because if its one thing we know for a fact, is gun laws don't work

if someone really set their mind to harming people, I would think guns would only be a small part of it.

just think of what he could have done, by jumping the curb smashing the chain link fence and driving a food truck GT5 style all over general admission.......
 
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