Would you support universal basic income if it meant eliminating all other social safety net progs?

UncleBuck

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Paddywhacker, I have a question. Would this UBI be indexed for inflation? After all, it's no good being paid to be a loafer this year if you can't continue to loaf in the future.

are the government benefits, public assistance, and social welfare you depend on indexed to inflation, loafer?
 

desert dude

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Pa
If it's really so bad here why stick around?

Give up your citizenship and go live in some socialistic utopia of your choosing.

I suspect you're all blather with a chip on your shoulder and maybe not enough brain power to figure out how to change your life style.
Paddy, if you decide to go to Venezuela be sure to take some ass-wipe with you, you'll need it.
 

Red1966

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Essentially what you're saying is that there's a mechanism inherent in capitalism that requires poverty for it to succeed. In order for people to be rich, there has to be a portion of the population who also have to be poor..
He wasn't saying that.

What does that tell you about capitalism?
Nothing, but it tells us a lot about you

I disagree with your opinion that if the amount of income a person receives increases, prices of goods/services automatically increase to the maximum allowed potential, too.[/COLOR]
That isn't his opinion. You keep arguing with things you try to pretend people said

Supply/demand coupled with market competition is what drives prices, not potential buying power, ie. income.
Income creates demand, a really basic concept in economics.
 

ttystikk

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Universal basic income.

Everyone gets one, regardless of station.

Additional income from other endeavors is allowed, and still encouraged.

Robotics makes this possible and perhaps even inevitable.

It would lead to an economic boom because so many more people could participate in the economy.

The end of homelessness.

People who are mentally ill or deficient would see their income used towards their care.

This breaks no laws of economics.

Yes, those who make outrageous incomes would pay higher taxes than they do now, an eminently good thing.

It would be a politically stabilizing influence.

People who earn more tend to have fewer children, not more.

Less inequality, more free agency.

Yes, people would engage in recreation, but ultimately would want to do something productive, if only to find fulfillment and avoid boredom.

I'm still looking for a downside.
 

reddan1981

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We are co-creating a blueprint for a new social structure, a new system, a new reality, without the need for any violence, opposition, resistance, or conflict. All the socio-economic structures of our individual countries have failed us dramatically. Every day we witness a continued assault on our people and the world around us, orchestrated by the global elite who have taken control, of every aspect of our existence. Every single one of us, rich or poor, is born into life-long slavery and bondage from which there is no escape under the current system. Most of us know that the system we are born into does not serve humanity, but very few of us know what to do to change it.

We can no longer sit idly, watching the destruction of our people, our communities, our countries, and our human potential, by greedy corporations supported by governments with no remorse for their actions, or accountability to the people they are supposed to serve. We can no longer sit silently, hoping that someone will do something to stop this assault on our liberties and future prosperity. It has fallen on the shoulders of the common people, to unite and create a new way…a new system…a future filled with abundance and prosperity for ourselves and our children. We are creating a totally new system free from economic slavery… where we turn competition into collaboration… a new social structure where we all benefit from our collective efforts and individual talents… a new world where people are put before profits, and the resources & materials are used to enrich all our lives. Welcome to the world of UBUNTU and Contributionism.
 

reddan1981

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"Money is the very means by which we are kept in slavery. Only when we come to terms with what money is, how and why it was created, will we be able to free ourselves from the money slavery system. But to do this, we have to do what seems impossible until now. We have to use money and capitalism to consume itself. This is possibly the most beautiful poetic justice ever bestowed on humanity - and also one of the most liberating thoughts I have ever embraced." - Michael Tellinger
 

reddan1981

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How did these parties do in the election?

Seems interesting, other than the Holocaust denial business- I wouldn't associate with those who tolerate such revisionist history.

How do collaboration style societies avoid the problem of freeloaders?
1. Not very well. The party is still young, they have to endure death threats and they have little to no money, sponsors and financiers are thin on the ground. And as you might agree money opens a lot of doors in the world of politics.

2.It is an attempt at change brother, unlike the regurgitation of economic policies, that fail to address the actual problem. You and I will definitely disagree on what the ACTUAL problems are.I am not qualified enough to comment on the holocaust, I have done research on it though, only an ignorant person (or absolute conformists) would dismiss the possibility of it being a hoax.

3.Define freeloader.
 

ttystikk

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To return to the original premise of this thread;

I think a universal basic income is a good idea on its own merits. We don't need to fudge by offering silly concessions.

And giving up all other safety net programs would be silly and would cause much more harm than good. There are always going to be people in society who need more help than others. Using their basic income towards that care is a good start, but the fact is that many seriously disabled people have handicaps that need a great deal more money to cope with than any reasonable basic income might provide. Perhaps inconvenient, but reality nonetheless. The alternative would be tatamount to the Spartan practice of 'exposing' the infirm- that is, leaving them to die.

But a universal basic income could do much to alleviate poverty. Dr Martin Luther King Jr certainly thought so.
 

ANC

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Even China these days are working on this problem.
It is bigger than the individual. Machines, and automation has been and will be reducing the need for human labour.
What do we do with the rest of the people. Almost 1 in 5 people in South Africa is receiving a government grant.
To some extent, it is also considered as restitution and as a transfer of funds from the rich to the poor.
 

ttystikk

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Even China these days are working on this problem.
It is bigger than the individual. Machines, and automation has been and will be reducing the need for human labour.
What do we do with the rest of the people. Almost 1 in 5 people in South Africa is receiving a government grant.
To some extent, it is also considered as restitution and as a transfer of funds from the rich to the poor.
To a great extent it's also stimulating the economy.
 

reddan1981

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If you have decided that you think the Earth is flat as opposed to a sphere, you've decided that belief is more important than evidence. Therefore it's pointless to discuss anything of import with you any further.

Now kindly stop wasting our time.
I don't get, how you think you can pontificate anything to me? Your beliefs are based on conjecture, hearsay and secondary evidences. For credibility, you look to whom consensus says to give credibility to. Study some history tty, who were the Moors?
 
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