Yesterday's Mass Shooting.

Fogdog said:

Because guns don't kill people, I have been told nothing can be done.


More than 20 shot at Dadeville gathering, investigators on scene

ADEVILLE, Ala. (WRBL) – A celebration turned violent in downtown Dadeville Saturday night as a shooting left four dead and more than 20 people injured according to investigators on scene.

Witnesses tell WRBL the gathering was a Sweet-16 Birthday celebration at Mahogany Masterpiece Dance Studio, and the shooting happened around 10:30 Saturday night. We are told the majority of those injured are teenagers. That information has not been confirmed by law enforcement. We do not know if a person(s) of interest or suspect(s) is in custody.



At approximately 11:45 p.m. Saturday, April 15, Special Agents with the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency’s (ALEA) State Bureau of Investigations (SBI) launched a death investigation at the request of the Dadeville Police Chief. The investigation is a result of a shooting which occurred at approximately 10:34 p.m. near the 200 Block of Broadnax Street in Dadeville, located in Tallapoosa County. Currently, there have been four confirmed fatalities and multiple injuries. The following agencies responded to the scene and are currently assisting with the investigation: The Dadeville Police Department, Tallapoosa County Sheriff’s Office, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), Federal Bureau of Investigations (FBI) and the 5 Circuit District Attorney’s Office. Nothing further is available as the investigation is ongoing.

A news conference is slated for later Sunday morning.

Meanwhile, some individuals have taken to social media to request the removal of a disturbing image showing six people on the ground in a building with the caption “Praying For Dadeville.”

More than 20 shot at Dadeville gathering, investigators on scene

DADEVILLE, Ala. (WRBL) – A celebration turned violent in downtown Dadeville Saturday night as a shooting left four dead and more than 20 people injured according to investigators on scene. Wi…

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It is rather obvious why they fear a federal solution or efforts to mitigate this fiasco and whine about nonexistent state's rights, people have rights, states have a contract with the feds. They will never do anything about this in red states even if they killed off half their own kids, so they need the firm hand and guidance of responsible adults and must be uplifted to the ethical standards of the larger society, or you kick their unarmed fucking asses! Sometimes ya just gotta make it hurt, not for gratuitous pleasure, but for public safety, to save thousands of lives every year and enforce the will of the majority on a dangerous minority, made that way by attitude, not color, creed or even religion. As the republicans say about gays and drag queens, "Some cultures just need to die".

The US has suffered at least 162 mass shootings in the first 15 weeks of 2023, according to the Gun Violence Archive. That’s an average of more than 1.5 mass shootings every day so far this year.
The archive defines mass shootings as those in which four or more people are shot, excluding the shooter.

Smerconish.com poll from last week.

Basically asking if gun companies should be held responsible to a degree like tobacco companies and auto makers for what happens to people.

I would have liked to see 90% agree. Maybe they would make fewer AR-15s if they had to pay into a fund that compensates victims?

If 78% of Americans don't own guns, the poll doesn't make sense to me at all. Perhaps the question shouldn't have started with "the best way".
Maybe "one real good way that would help" would have changed the poll results.

I know there are a half dozen reasons for gun violence including movies and TV that show somebody saving the day by shooting up a bunch of criminals.

But the mentally unbalanced are influenced by those movies (that they have watched all their lives) and use those shoot 'em up movie plots to take out their greviences on those who have nothing to do with the shooter's problems.

MLK once said, "society is sick". That sounds like Nostradamus 50 years later.

Society and the NRA and the Republicans who never offer more than 'thoughts and prayers' are sick alright. I wonder if the 'thoughts' are about not alienating their gun donors. They would pretty much have to be.

DIY-HP-LED said:

It is rather obvious why they fear a federal solution or efforts to mitigate this fiasco and whine about nonexistent state's rights, people have rights, states have a contract with the feds. They will never do anything about this in red states even if they killed off half their own kids, so they need the firm hand and guidance of responsible adults and must be uplifted to the ethical standards of the larger society, or you kick their unarmed fucking asses! Sometimes ya just gotta make it hurt, not for gratuitous pleasure, but for public safety, to save thousands of lives every year and enforce the will of the majority on a dangerous minority, made that way by attitude, not color, creed or even religion. As the republicans say about gays and drag queens, "Some cultures just need to die".

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yeah. It was teenagers in a dance club. Reminiscent of a near miss in LA a few weeks ago. They were there to celebrate life. The kids who died. They had so much to look forward to.

There was an incident at a gun shop/shooting range a year or more ago. The shooter came in and skilled several people before he was stopped. Imagine that. All these guys with guns were helpless when it started. From what AJ told us, gun nuts imagine themselves to be heroes and supermen. Fedex drivers beware!!! old man is just one bad decision away from ending them. but when it comes down to the real thing, its the bad guy who has the advantage.

It's not working. Lax gun laws mean more death by gun, not fewer. The myth of the good guy with the gun is used to keep us from making necessary changes. Alabama's one of those states with lax gun laws. 48% household gun ownership, 9.5 gun homicides/100,000, 3rd in the nation.

Fogdog said:

yeah. It was teenagers in a dance club. Reminiscent of a near miss in LA a few weeks ago. They were there to celebrate life. The kids who died. They had so much to look forward to.

There was an incident at a gun shop/shooting range a year or more ago. The shooter came in and skilled several people before he was stopped. Imagine that. All these guys with guns were helpless when it started. From what AJ told us, gun nuts imagine themselves to be heroes and supermen. Fedex drivers beware!!! old man is just one bad decision away from ending them. but when it comes down to the real thing, its the bad guy who has the advantage.

It's not working. Lax gun laws mean more death by gun, not fewer. The myth of the good guy with the gun is used to keep us from making necessary changes. Alabama's one of those states with lax gun laws. 48% household gun ownership, 9.5 gun homicides/100,000, 3rd in the nation.

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I like to stay focused on solutions to diminish the number of guns by increasing the burden, liability and expense of gun ownership for everybody. It must be done federally and constitutionally. Taxation is logical, think about the expense that each of these incidents imposes on a community (ignore the human ones), not to mention all the other gun deaths overwhelming local governments, then there are the lawsuits involving tens of millions. It's time to get the freeloaders off the taxpayer's backs and pay their own way in society. Changes should be gradual at first though, to prevent reactionary political forces from gaining power. However annual taxation by the federal government would mean registration for taxation purposes too, it increases the burden and expense of ownership, many will just turn it in and collect the hundred- or two-hundred-dollar reward, rather than pay to register it and then pay the annual tax, the more guns you own, the more expensive it is. It is constitutional and will probably be the chosen way out, someday.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I like to stay focused on solutions to diminish the number of guns by increasing the burden, liability and expense of gun ownership for everybody. It must be done federally and constitutionally. Taxation is logical, think about the expense that each of these incidents imposes on a community (ignore the human ones), not to mention all the other gun deaths overwhelming local governments, then there are the lawsuits involving tens of millions. It's time to get the freeloaders off the taxpayer's backs and pay their own way in society. Changes should be gradual at first though, to prevent reactionary political forces from gaining power. However annual taxation by the federal government would mean registration for taxation purposes too, it increases the burden and expense of ownership, many will just turn it in and collect the hundred- or two-hundred-dollar reward, rather than pay to register it and then pay the annual tax, the more guns you own, the more expensive it is. It is constitutional and will probably be the chosen way out, someday.

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It's being considered. There isn't any proof of that what you say will actually reduce harm but the absence of data doesn't refute your idea. I'm for experimentation in smaller districts. But before considering wide scale implementation there has to be demonstration that the changes have worked to reduce harm from guns, Santa Clara County in CA is trying to tie gun ownership to insurance. It looks like their law isn't nearly as tight as you want. My guess is the 2A and the way SCOTUS interprets it prevents the kind of draconian laws you are talking about. It's telling that in SC county's law. regulation requiring insurance would be waived for those whom the fee would be a financial burden.

There are other acts and actions underway but every step taken is opposed by the gun lobby and gun nuts everywhere. Oregon's efforts are being fought by National PACs. They don't want us to succeed in saving lives. Can't have that. Other states might want them too.

DIY-HP-LED said:

I like to stay focused on solutions to diminish the number of guns by increasing the burden, liability and expense of gun ownership for everybody. It must be done federally and constitutionally. Taxation is logical, think about the expense that each of these incidents imposes on a community (ignore the human ones), not to mention all the other gun deaths overwhelming local governments, then there are the lawsuits involving tens of millions. It's time to get the freeloaders off the taxpayer's backs and pay their own way in society. Changes should be gradual at first though, to prevent reactionary political forces from gaining power. However annual taxation by the federal government would mean registration for taxation purposes too, it increases the burden and expense of ownership, many will just turn it in and collect the hundred- or two-hundred-dollar reward, rather than pay to register it and then pay the annual tax, the more guns you own, the more expensive it is. It is constitutional and will probably be the chosen way out, someday.

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What you propose will just keep the guns in the hands of the wealthy. Not the solution IMO and one that will never work as you intend. Stick to the basics that can work would be my suggestion. Training, licensing and proper background check that would require a wait period while being done are a start. Sadly even that would require some give from the pro gun lobby that won’t give an inch. Also did registration reduce homicide rates in Canada before it was cancelled? To lazy to look lol.

Budley Doright said:

What you propose will just keep the guns in the hands of the wealthy. Not the solution IMO and one that will never work as you intend. Stick to the basics that can work would be my suggestion. Training, licensing and proper background check that would require a wait period while being done are a start. Sadly even that would require some give from the pro gun lobby that won’t give an inch. Also did registration reduce homicide rates in Canada before it was cancelled? To lazy to look lol.

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It would be good to have more options, but considering the US constitution they are limited and taxation and registration of certain kinds of guns might be one way to reduce numbers and it is a numbers game mostly. Guns are like landmines, the more there are around, the more likely someone is to step on one or a car drive over one.

It is not something you can implement overnight, and many other progressive steps will be taken first, where the constitution and courts allow. Solutions also need to be systemic and applied nationally to work, some states won't like anything they do to address the problem. In the end though, I think it will come down to registration and taxation of say semiautomatic pistols and bans on semi-automatic long guns with removable mags and more than a 5-round capacity, progressive moves that move with society over time and election cycles. There are other priorities first however like keeping the republicans out of power until they are at least fit for table cutlery.

He'll get off, he was "standing his ground"...

DIY-HP-LED said:

He'll get off, he was "standing his ground"...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647674325980397571

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This is what the republicans culture wars bring with them...Fucking paranoia so bad you'll shoot a young black boy through a door for ringing your doorbell...
I feel like this one should be laid right at the feet of ALL the republicans...They're the ones perpetuating this kind of hate.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

This is what the republicans culture wars bring with them...Fucking paranoia so bad you'll shoot a young black boy through a door for ringing your doorbell...
I feel like this one should be laid right at the feet of ALL the republicans...They're the ones perpetuating this kind of hate.

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All that "home defense" stuff needs to be used, he has it for a reason and the reason is some black person invading your home and taking your stuff because THEY ARE TAKING OVER! It's what Dylan Roof said as the gunned down those black people in church then the cops bought him a burger on the way to jail and he ate it with the powder burns still on his hands, unless they let him wash his hands first of course. After all he was just a good ole boy have'n a bit of fun...

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He must have just grazed his head, the kid is out of the hospital, and it was an 85-year-old who shot him. Probably all jacked up on foxnews.


Ralph Yarl: Charges filed in shooting of teen who rang wrong doorbell

10,745 views Apr 17, 2023 #msnbc #kansascity #ralphyarl
Prosecutors in Kansas City, Missouri filed two felony charges against the 85-year-old white man who shot a 16-year-old Black boy after he went to the wrong house. Benjamin Crump, who is representing the family of Ralph Yarl, joins to discuss.

DIY-HP-LED said:

He must have just grazed his head, the kid is out of the hospital, and it was an 85-year-old who shot him. Probably all jacked up on foxnews.

Ralph Yarl: Charges filed in shooting of teen who rang wrong doorbell

10,745 views Apr 17, 2023 #msnbc #kansascity #ralphyarl
Prosecutors in Kansas City, Missouri filed two felony charges against the 85-year-old white man who shot a 16-year-old Black boy after he went to the wrong house. Benjamin Crump, who is representing the family of Ralph Yarl, joins to discuss.

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Glad the kid is going to be ok, if you can ever really be ok after someone tries to murder you for ringing their doorbell...
I'm just wondering what the fuck it's going to take to get some serious reforms implemented? I don't like to be this cynical,
but i'm guessing the children or grandchildren of a prominent republican politician, like mcarthy or mcconnel, being murdered at school, is what it will take for anything real to happen. Almost everything else that could happen, has happened. I'll be sure to send my thoughts and prayers if that should happen...

PPE laws will now require bullet proof vests for all delivery personnel. This is getting so fucked up!!! “I need a gun for home defence” to shoot people of color that dare to knock on my door, or walk on my street.

DIY-HP-LED said:

He must have just grazed his head, the kid is out of the hospital, and it was an 85-year-old who shot him. Probably all jacked up on foxnews.

Ralph Yarl: Charges filed in shooting of teen who rang wrong doorbell

10,745 views Apr 17, 2023 #msnbc #kansascity #ralphyarl
Prosecutors in Kansas City, Missouri filed two felony charges against the 85-year-old white man who shot a 16-year-old Black boy after he went to the wrong house. Benjamin Crump, who is representing the family of Ralph Yarl, joins to discuss.

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im really glad hes going to be okay .. it says it was likely racially motivated,
this is close to home, ish so weve all been really upset overit here, this poor kid. jfc

DIY-HP-LED said:

He'll get off, he was "standing his ground"...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1647674325980397571

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Will see how it goes and what sort of jury they put together. KC was a weird place to live. Chunks of it were/are great, but it was highly segregated and it was surrounded by your typical rural bumpkins.The "rural" people there lived like 20 minutes outside of a city of millions, but holy shit they sure didn't like to acknowledge that.

sunni said:

im really glad hes going to be okay .. it says it was likely racially motivated,
this is close to home, ish so weve all been really upset overit here, this poor kid. jfc

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An 84-year-old, what are they gonna do? Take him from his home and stick him in a seniors care center, was he senile perhaps? He must have had his marbles because they did charge him, and he might even have a history that should tell the tale. It will be in the local news for sure. It might have been a case of slow reactions by the old fart and fast ones by the young guy who dodged the bullet, almost.

HGCC said:

Will see how it goes and what sort of jury they put together. KC was a weird place to live. Chunks of it were/are great, but it was highly segregated and it was surrounded by your typical rural bumpkins.The "rural" people there lived like 20 minutes outside of a city of millions, but holy shit they sure didn't like to acknowledge that.

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At his age he could be dead before trial, and we don't know what kind of physical condition he is in and putting someone that age in prison might be pointless if his condition warrants it. We will see, people die of old age in prison every day in America, they are often cared for by black prisoners who are assigned to the duty. These are normal compassionate men caught up in the racially based justice system and can they be trusted with such duties unlike many others who actually deserve to be there. One reason crime is high in America is that black people are often doing the time for a white person's crime, and they continue to crime because someone innocent was punished for it. Often black men are convicted of crimes and imprisoned for no other reason than to disenfranchise them. Pot has disenfranchised many black people; the cop tosses the white kid's dope and charges the black kids, less voters.