UncleBuck
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now that sounds a little racist.
the story clearly did not happen as zimm described, the evidence shows it. credibility and good judgment are paramount in self defense cases, and zimm was lacking both in a big way.
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the story clearly did not happen as zimm described, the evidence shows it. credibility and good judgment are paramount in self defense cases, and zimm was lacking both in a big way.
UncleBuck
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if you look at this, it seems more likely that zimm was lying in wait to ambush martin. zimm was tired of those assholes always getting away and looking like a fool every time he called the cops (and there were a lot of times).
zimm lies in wait, martin thinks zimm is gone and lets his guard down. zimm pops out and confronts him, the chase that witnesses describe starts at about the T where zimm's key are dropped (maybe because he was drawing his gun). zimm tackles martin as martin runs for home, martin's phone goes flying. martin pops zimm in the face, zimm's super anger mode is activated, and out of anger or confusion, zimm shoots martin.
of course, that is all just conjecture, but how else would you describe the locations of the objects and the murder?
RyanTheRhino
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don't try to bring that shit into this.
PS perspective is important. from that angle it looks lop-sided, but if you were to view the same from above it would look more evenly spaced.
& yes i know that is not a perfect illustration, but then why you using it.
According to the fence spacing, The distances are almost equally spaced, assuming that the houses are equally space which they should be.
So you are back to the presumption that Zimm can run MUCH faster than Martin AND knows which way Martin will go. Zimm should run on the Olympics given that he can get in front of a athletic teen even if that teen already has a head start of 500+ feet.
Conjecture doesn't begin to explain this.
UncleBuck
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i'm using it because it was on google images.
i'd just like to see someone explain what happened given the facts. the witnesses described a loud back and forth between zimm and martin, followed by a chase, then they called 911 and their call was the one with the screaming in the background that we are all familiar with by now.
UncleBuck
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so then explain what could have possibly happened. is it impossible that martin could have stumbled or tripped? nope.
UncleBuck
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another interesting thing: zimm said that he did not think that he shot martin at first, and that is why he immediately jumped on top of martin after.
but if zimm thought that his shot missed and martin was still alive, why did the calls for help stop right after the gunshot?
calculate that one for me, someone.
oh, and none of the witnesses described the screams as being muffled, as would happen to someone being suffocated or 'almost suffocated', as muyloco, prognosticator of reality extraordinaire, suggests happened.
odd.
but if zimm thought that his shot missed and martin was still alive, why did the calls for help stop right after the gunshot?
calculate that one for me, someone.
oh, and none of the witnesses described the screams as being muffled, as would happen to someone being suffocated or 'almost suffocated', as muyloco, prognosticator of reality extraordinaire, suggests happened.
odd.
RyanTheRhino
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well not paying attention to any media at all from a blank perspective i will try to evaluate.
First we have Keys VS Phone, I would say in a struggle that you would lose a phone easier then keys(in your pocket)., + you could have had the phone in your hand
TM had a hoodie on and if confronted randomly i would have placed the phone in the hoodie pouch, which would fall out very easy.
so, I would say that the confrontation happened at the first white fences all the way to the left. The stand up fight happened where TM's phone is. ZM may have lost the stand up fight and started to run,
until TM chased him down ,the on ground scuffle happened at where ZM's key's were.
ZM feeling that he was fleeing the fight and was a victim since he was chased felt the right to defend himself with a gun.
The end.
OK, ill give it a whirl. Zimmerman gets hit and loses his keys from the force of being hit, they go flying and end up where they were found.
UncleBuck
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i appreciate it, but the witnesses (11 & 20) described the sound moving from the T to the phone, not the other way around. also, that doesn't explain how the murder ended up over by the phone. the phone was already in martin's pocket/pouch and he was talking using ear buds.
and how does martin's phone end up past the murder scene after things move toward that direction? if you're gonna play, at least give me a full wrap up of the scenario.
Alien spacecraft sucked martin into their ship and had sex with him while ...................
Just as good as your theory.
UncleBuck
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yes, because i know you conducted a scientific survey about their respective running speeds.
woops, you are just ASSUMING shit and ignoring facts to make the scenario bend to your preconceived conclusion, instead of paying attention to the facts and making your scenario bend towards the facts.
Canna Sylvan
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It's always those pesky aliens. They abduct us, kill our cows and worst of all steal our jobs!
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How does Zimmerman pop out and confront Martin if Martin doesn't backtrack? You are saying Zimmerman could run Martin down which isn't probable. We won't know until we see the rest of the evidence. Do you think Martin would hit Zimmerman if Zimmerman had a gun pointed at Martin? Doesn't seem likely.
if you look at this, it seems more likely that zimm was lying in wait to ambush martin. zimm was tired of those assholes always getting away and looking like a fool every time he called the cops (and there were a lot of times).
zimm lies in wait, martin thinks zimm is gone and lets his guard down. zimm pops out and confronts him, the chase that witnesses describe starts at about the T where zimm's key are dropped (maybe because he was drawing his gun). zimm tackles martin as martin runs for home, martin's phone goes flying. martin pops zimm in the face, zimm's super anger mode is activated, and out of anger or confusion, zimm shoots martin.
of course, that is all just conjecture, but how else would you describe the locations of the objects and the murder?
I heard black people can see in the dark and have bat wings when they need them.
There are townhouses on either side. If you shoot a gun in a valley, you won't know where the shot was at. Wouldn't a fight in a man made valley be the same? Glass transmits sound differently than brick wall. If you stood with your back to a wall, and to the left of you 20 feet behind you someone yelled, can you tell which direction it is coming from accurately?
[video=youtube;PX1sxARNq_c]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=PX1sxARNq_c[/video]
This is Zimmerman reenacting the night Martin died. Worth watching just to point out how close to the T Martin was shot and for Zimmerman's description of how they got there.
Martin's phone could of been tossed aside before the assault or knocked a few feet during the fight or when Zimmerman pushed him off of him.
I don't think anyone who watched the interview felt that Zimmerman meant he had control of Martin's wrists. It would be a hell of a talent to hold his wrists with one hand and shoot him with the other. How do you shoot someone while holding their wrists?
Sounds like you are ok with the prosecution having a case of nothing more but conjecture and what ifs, and also that you feel Zimmerman should be convicted based on them. Thank goodness everyone isn't as biased as you.