Satellite data proves Earth has not been warming the past 18 years - it's stable

[Harrekin]

Shell Oil Company disagrees with the naysayers
http://www.shell.com/global/environment-society/environment/climate-change/more-energy-less-co2.html
So does BP
http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/sustainability/the-energy-future/climate-change.html
Add Chevron to the list
http://www.chevron.com/globalissues/climatechange/

Take away carbon fuels now with no viable alternative and the world as we know it would end.

No logistics, no power, no plastics, no international travel, etc.

And you know the funniest thing?

Carbon dioxide is one of the least damaging greenhouse gases and absolutely CRUCIAL to life.

Other gasses we release are over 1000 times more damaging.

 

[kinetic]

Take away carbon fuels now with no viable alternative and the world as we know it would end.

No logistics, no power, no plastics, no international travel, etc.

And you know the funniest thing?

Carbon dioxide is one of the least damaging greenhouse gases and absolutely CRUCIAL to life.

Other gasses we release are over 1000 times more damaging.

not an abrupt end, but an increased urgency to curb.

 

[Harrekin]

not an abrupt end, but an increased urgency to curb.

And replace them with what?

How will feeding money to world Govts stop the release of carbon dioxide?

Will the money quite literally draw it from the air?

Ironic that the printing of same physical currency involves chopping down trees and mining...

 

[Dr Kynes]

As the episode said, volcanoes present about 2% the amount of carbon dioxide introduced into the atmosphere each year, human activity is the overwhelming cause

no, it is not.

rotting vegetation, bacterial action, animal respiration etc etc etc etc produce FAR more CO2 than human industry, the claim you are making is that "Natural Porcesses" are somehow magically "In Balance" with "Natural Carbon Sinks" which is as crazy as claiming that all species of life have existed in their present forms since time began, or an "intelligent designer" is working behind the scenes to keep the world in balance.

CO2 levels have fluctuated for as ling as the earth has existed, often going 3, 4 and even 5x higher than they are now, long before the industrial revolution.

only by manufacturing an arbitrary "Baseline" can you claim that human activity is the main source of atmospheric CO2

further, the actual amount of CO2 released by geologic processes (not just volcanoes you know... thats more semantics) is poorly understood and estimates vary widely.

nobody is even sure how many fumaroles and vents there are on the ocean floor, so any estimate of geological CO2 release is guesswork at best.

further, CO2 is a MINOR greenhouse gas, while methane is far more potent at trapping heat, and Methane is produced naturally in far greater abundance than by man, and it has few "natural" sinks to eliminate it.

i could cite dozens of Peer Reviewed (and thus unimpeachable) papers to explain all this but you wont bother to read it, cuz i have been round this turnstile with you before.

how can you argue with a guy who thinks that when wikipedia's claims about the IPCC reports are contradicted by the IPCC report itself, direct from the UN, that wikipedia wins?

 

[Dr Kynes]

And replace them with what?

How will feeding money to world Govts stop the release of carbon dioxide?

Will the money quite literally draw it from the air?

Ironic that the printing of same physical currency involves chopping down trees and mining...

US currency is made from COTTON, not trees.

silly paddy.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Shell Oil Company disagrees with the naysayers
http://www.shell.com/global/environment-society/environment/climate-change/more-energy-less-co2.html
So does BP
http://www.bp.com/en/global/corporate/sustainability/the-energy-future/climate-change.html
Add Chevron to the list
http://www.chevron.com/globalissues/climatechange/

shell bp and chevron are in the business of selling oil.
oil is finite, so they are looking to expand into new areas, and one of the best and most heavily subsidized areas is "Green Energy" they have invested in all manner of "Green Energy" to gain the tax advantages, and greenwash their image. it is in their best interest to increase fears of oil scarcity (peak oil, etc...) to drive up prices, and to increase demand for solar panels and other "Green Energy" schemes.

all this bullshit helps their bottom line, so there's no downside to their bandwagon ride.
they make money whether the price of oil goes up or down, whether the ecoloons are proved right or wrong, and whether modern society is doomed or continues on into the foreseeable future.

 

[kinetic]

shell bp and chevron are in the business of selling oil.
oil is finite, so they are looking to expand into new areas, and one of the best and most heavily subsidized areas is "Green Energy" they have invested in all manner of "Green Energy" to gain the tax advantages, and greenwash their image. it is in their best interest to increase fears of oil scarcity (peak oil, etc...) to drive up prices, and to increase demand for solar panels and other "Green Energy" schemes.

all this bullshit helps their bottom line, so there's no downside to their bandwagon ride.
they make money whether the price of oil goes up or down, whether the ecoloons are proved right or wrong, and whether modern society is doomed or continues on into the foreseeable future.

My post was more directed at the Alex Jones conspiracy theory lunatics that can't see past the POTUS

 

[Dr Kynes]

My post was more directed at the Alex Jones conspiracy theory lunatics that can't see past the POTUS

meh, attacking alex jones is a good thing.

my statements stand on their own however.

 

[UncleBuck]

as crazy as claiming...an "intelligent designer" is working behind the scenes to keep the world in balance.

that's roy spencer's claim, actually.

 

[Doer]

Youre arguing the wrong argument with the wrong person, I think we should put huge investment into genuine R&D, like into the US National Labs being one example, to move on from carbon fuel because I believe its a natural (common sense) progression we need to make as an advanced species.

I don't however agree with punishing people and damaging the world economy on essentially bad science (because its based on unusually small relative sample sizes) just so the world Govts can "sequester" even more funds from the herd for moar boondoggles.

You chose to argue with me. I have not argued in return.

 

[Padawanbater2]

no, it is not

Your opinion not based on logic and founded by emotion says it's not, the objective scientific facts say it is

rotting vegetation, bacterial action, animal respiration etc etc etc etc produce FAR more CO2 than human industry

LOL!!

Nobody with a basic understanding of math would ever reach that conclusion

CO2 levels have fluctuated for as ling as the earth has existed, often going 3, 4 and even 5x higher than they are now, long before the industrial revolution.

Carbon levels in the atmosphere have been 5x's higher than they are today have they?

Lets see if you can find a source for that claim

only by manufacturing an arbitrary "Baseline" can you claim that human activity is the main source of atmospheric CO2

further, the actual amount of CO2 released by geologic processes (not just volcanoes you know... thats more semantics) is poorly understood and estimates vary widely.

nobody is even sure how many fumaroles and vents there are on the ocean floor, so any estimate of geological CO2 release is guesswork at best.

It's obvious to anyone reading your rants that you have zero to little understanding of how science works. People who understand how science works don't make the kinds of claims and statements you're making. I don't understand why you would rather continue to showcase that instead of just go learn about how it all actually works

"Gas studies at volcanoes worldwide have helped volcanologists tally up a global volcanic CO2 budget in the same way that nations around the globe have cooperated to determine how much CO2 is released by human activity through the burning of fossil fuels. Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually.

This seems like a huge amount of CO2, but a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website (http://cdiac.ornl.gov/) helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value."

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/archive/2007/07_02_15.html[/QUOTE][/quote][/QUOTE]

 

[Dr Kynes]

Your opinion not based on logic and founded by emotion says it's not, the objective scientific facts say it is



LOL!!

Nobody with a basic understanding of math would ever reach that conclusion



Carbon levels in the atmosphere have been 5x's higher than they are today have they?

Lets see if you can find a source for that claim

Climate and geography. Not a lot is known about the global climate during the Cambrian period, but the unusually high atmospheric carbon dioxide levels (about 15 times those of the present day) imply that the average temperature may have exceeded 120 degrees Fahrenheit.
~http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/PaleozoicEra/a/Cambrian-Period.htm

Cambrian CO2 levels: ~7000 ppm
Current CO2 levels: 380 ppm
~http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/Carboniferous_climate.html

http://www.academia.edu/439551/Global_ocean-atmosphere_change_across_the_Precambrian-Cambrian_transition

feeling dumb yet?

It's obvious to anyone reading your rants that you have zero to little understanding of how science works. People who understand how science works don't make the kinds of claims and statements you're making. I don't understand why you would rather continue to showcase that instead of just go learn about how it all actually works

"Gas studies at volcanoes worldwide have helped volcanologists tally up a global volcanic CO2 budget in the same way that nations around the globe have cooperated to determine how much CO2 is released by human activity through the burning of fossil fuels. Our studies show that globally, volcanoes on land and under the sea release a total of about 200 million tonnes of CO2 annually.

This seems like a huge amount of CO2, but a visit to the U.S. Department of Energy's Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center (CDIAC) website (http://cdiac.ornl.gov/) helps anyone armed with a handheld calculator and a high school chemistry text put the volcanic CO2 tally into perspective. Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value."

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/archive/2007/07_02_15.html

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funny how thats not what you will discover if you read these papers...

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v507/n7492/full/nature13030.html

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2012JG001991/abstract;jsessionid=19E78308AD34367495D316C5A4502419.f02t04?systemMessage=Wiley+Online+Library+will+be+disrupted+Saturday,+7+June+from+10:00-15:00+BST+(05:00-10:00+EDT)+for+essential+maintenance

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24646998

ohh snap.

look at your statement above, you blithering twat,

"Because while 200 million tonnes of CO2 is large, the global fossil fuel CO2 emissions for 2003 tipped the scales at 26.8 billion tonnes. Thus, not only does volcanic CO2 not dwarf that of human activity, it actually comprises less than 1 percent of that value."

you even had the unmitigated gall to bold it as if it means dick

"Ms. Werner and her colleagues found that Yellowstone's Mud Volcano area produced about 176,300 tons of carbon dioxide each year."
~http://www.nytimes.com/1997/12/26/us/yellowstone-park-emits-tons-of-carbon-dioxide-study-finds.html

i had a paper that detailed how much CO2 yellowstone emits every year according to research from 2010, but i cant seem to find it now, so ill go with this one.

thats JUST the "Mud Volcanoe" are of JUST yellowstone.
add in the various geysers, hot springs, volcanoes, undersea vest fumaroles, seeping dormant volcanoes, etc etc etc and the number can get HUGE, and this has been going on day in and day out for millions of years.

but it's all just "Basline" so you can dismiss it.

you further confounded the issue by focussing on JUST "volcanic" CO2 rather than the all-encompassing "Geologic" CO2 which also includes the CO2 released by weathering of marble, dolomite, shale and other carboniferous rocks (which is not "anthropogenic") you also ignored the massive contribution by bacterium and animal production of CO2 from all life on earth.

you selected the ONE part of the whole you thought was weak and pretended that was the whole argument.

perhaps the wikipedia page on the next IPCC report will support your claims, but the IPCC report itself, will likely not.

 

[UncleBuck]

oh, kynes. keep pissing into the wind. one day nasa might hire you.

after all, they did hire roy spencer, after all (just to cover up the global warming hoax!)

 

[Nutes and Nugs]

Looks like Obama is using his executive powers to go over congress and force coal plants to close.
This will cost us jobs and higher prices for electricity.

The Obama administration took aim at the coal industry on Monday by mandating a 30 percent cut in carbon emissions at fossil fuel-burning power plants by 2030 -- despite claims the regulation will cost nearly a quarter-million jobs a year and force plants across the country to close.

The controversial regulation, which some lawmakers already are trying to block, is one of the most sweeping efforts to tackle global warming by this or any other administration.

"We will introduce bipartisan legislation that will prevent these disastrous new rules from wreaking havoc on our economy in West Virginia," Rahall said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/obama-to-announce-rule-to-limit-emissions-from-fossil-burning-plants-part-his/

 

[UncleBuck]

Looks like Obama is using his executive powers to go over congress and force coal plants to close.
This will cost us jobs and higher prices for electricity.

The Obama administration took aim at the coal industry on Monday by mandating a 30 percent cut in carbon emissions at fossil fuel-burning power plants by 2030 -- despite claims the regulation will cost nearly a quarter-million jobs a year and force plants across the country to close.

The controversial regulation, which some lawmakers already are trying to block, is one of the most sweeping efforts to tackle global warming by this or any other administration.

"We will introduce bipartisan legislation that will prevent these disastrous new rules from wreaking havoc on our economy in West Virginia," Rahall said in a statement.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/06/02/obama-to-announce-rule-to-limit-emissions-from-fossil-burning-plants-part-his/

that's his constitutional right and my electric rate has dropped since obama has been president.

suck on that (not literally, unless the closet is getting too cramped for you).

 

[Nutes and Nugs]

my electric rate has dropped since obama has been president. .

When will he lower the price of gasoline?

 

[UncleBuck]

When will he lower the price of gasoline?

he told me he'll do that once you embrace your {LOL} side.

 

[Ra$p0tin]

he told me he'll do that once you embrace your {LOL} side.

Wouldn't that make you both liars?

I can't believe you would do that to our POTUS.

 

[Harrekin]

US currency is made from COTTON, not trees.

silly paddy.

Its made from a cotton-paper mix, you dumb fuck.

 

[Dr Kynes]

Its made from a cotton-paper mix, you dumb fuck.

no it is not you retarded drunken dog-trotter.

according the the Bureau of Engraving and Printing:
"United States currency paper is composed of 75% cotton and 25% linen"


http://www.moneyfactory.gov/uscurrency/theproductionprocess.html

damn you clowns just keep stepping up and getting knocked down.

my smug smirk is getting tired.