Public Schools

[londonfog]

We should give teachers a big raise and more vacation time. Oh, and we need more administrators!

I actually come from a family of teachers. I say yes to raise. No to vacation. They better teach the children well in order to get that raise.

 

[ginwilly]

I actually come from a family of teachers. I say yes to raise. No to vacation. They better teach the children well in order to get that raise.

They tried a different schedule in B'ham where school was year round but 8 weeks on 1 week off with 2 weeks during the summer and at Christmas. I never heard how it turned out, I'll see if I can find something, but it seemed like a good idea. The first few weeks coming back from a long summer break are blurs and we don't need the kids home all summer to pick crops anymore.

 

[londonfog]

They tried a different schedule in B'ham where school was year round but 8 weeks on 1 week off with 2 weeks during the summer and at Christmas. I never heard how it turned out, I'll see if I can find something, but it seemed like a good idea. The first few weeks coming back from a long summer break are blurs and we don't need the kids home all summer to pick crops anymore.

to be honest as a parent your kids should still learn during the summer. I'm one of those parent that do not play when it comes to education.

 

[nitro harley]

I don't think schools make you do that anymore. Did you like saying the pledge

London.

I didn't mind it. Like I said it was a grade school thing and I don't remember it going much farther than the third grade. I don't know if they stopped saying the pledge or not?

 

[ginwilly]

I actually come from a family of teachers. I say yes to raise. No to vacation. They better teach the children well in order to get that raise.

I agree but the metrics we've come up with to determine if a teacher is doing well encourages corruption and teaching to tests instead of subject matter.

I know you have taken all criticism of public school to mean "public school bad" but as our world rankings continually decline, maybe we should look at why and revamp our system. Unfortunately, too many people believe more money is the solution to everything while we've been disproving this for decades. With technology today, kids should be so much further along than we were.

 

[ginwilly]

to be honest as a parent your kids should still learn during the summer. I'm one of those parent that do not play when it comes to education.

You've become the exception, not the rule. I commend you for it, but for too many parents, it's the teachers job, not theirs. This has been getting worse, not better, how do we fix parents? How much of this do we attribute to the break down of the family structure in the US?

 

[ginwilly]

London.

I didn't mind it. Like I said it was a grade school thing and I don't remember it going much farther than the third grade. I don't know if they stopped saying the pledge or not?

Third grade is the last time I remember saying it too. That was also the year they outlawed corporal punishment in my state. Teachers got damned creative after that, spankings would have been so much better.

 

[desert dude]

I agree but the metrics we've come up with to determine if a teacher is doing well encourages corruption and teaching to tests instead of subject matter.

I know you have taken all criticism of public school to mean "public school bad" but as our world rankings continually decline, maybe we should look at why and revamp our system. Unfortunately, too many people believe more money is the solution to everything while we've been disproving this for decades. With technology today, kids should be so much further along than we were.

From the link I posted earlier, Washington, DC spends more than $18,000 per year per pupil. Obviously, money is not the solution.

I don't mind spending tax money for education, but I do mind just pissing it away to fund the culture wars.

Give parents a choice where to send their kids to school: vouchers. If DC gave a voucher of $18K per year there would be rapid and marked improvement in the educational outcomes of a great many students. We can't have that though, it violates the strangle hold of the teachers unions.

The idiots will be along shortly to claim that all the vouchered students will be studying in Madrassas.

 

[ginwilly]

From the link I posted earlier, Washington, DC spends more than $18,000 per year per pupil. Obviously, money is not the solution.

I don't mind spending tax money for education, but I do mind just pissing it away to fund the culture wars.

Give parents a choice where to send their kids to school: vouchers. If DC gave a voucher of $18K per year there would be rapid and marked improvement in the educational outcomes of a great many students. We can't have that though, it violates the strangle hold of the teachers unions.

The idiots will be along shortly to claim that all the vouchered students will be studying in Madrassas.

There's more important things to worry about today like whether or not Johnny said bang when he pointed his finger or if "Pat" gets to decide which bathroom to use.

 

[nitro harley]

to be honest as a parent your kids should still learn during the summer. I'm one of those parent that do not play when it comes to education.

London.

My son was home schooled and he spent his summers fishing on my boat where there is what I call the midnight school. He didn't get to play like other kids much in the summer . On our time off we would go drag racing which was much like working and fun. He learned about what it takes to be a winner in the racing world, one year he was western division champion and second in the nation.

My son also like to be a youth leader for kids at a summer camp where he met his wife that is a english teacher now, so I support the teachers and think they are under paid because she went the extra mile and got her masters in english at GF university and they don't pay her much like she should be in my opinion.

 

[NoDrama]

You've become the exception, not the rule. I commend you for it, but for too many parents, it's the teachers job, not theirs. This has been getting worse, not better, how do we fix parents? How much of this do we attribute to the break down of the family structure in the US?

There are a great many parents who feel EVERYTHING is the teachers job to teach. From personal hygiene, to cooking a meal to doing the laundry, to how to act in public. Its like these parents have absolved themselves of every responsibility and don't spend any time with their children at all. I worked a low paying job all during my kids High school years, just so that I had a lot of free time to spend with them. One year I quit my job and took my kids to go camping in some of the best national parks in the USA in my Land Cruiser. From Congaree in SC, to the Klondike in Alaska, 28 total all in 6 weeks. Made a lot of good memories. My kids still love camping.

 

[NoDrama]

There's more important things to worry about today like whether or not Johnny said bang when he pointed his finger or if "Pat" gets to decide which bathroom to use.

Or if little johnny did the ultimate sin, and chewed his pop tart into the shape of a gun.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/pop-tart-gun-suspension/

 

[ginwilly]

Or if little johnny did the ultimate sin, and chewed his pop tart into the shape of a gun.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/pop-tart-gun-suspension/

The Politically Correct disease has hit schools the hardest.

 

[NoDrama]

The Politically Correct disease has hit schools the hardest.

Schools are full of growing minds that need to be molded into well trained sheep that unthinkingly obey authority. Children are the most susceptible to these mental exercises. Hence we have forced indoctrination, or as some people call it, public school.

 

[UncleBuck]

Who is against public school again? Who is against education? Saying it is a privilege and not a right is what??

Strawman created, exposed, re-created and attacked again.

You guys are consistent.

you're a racist loser.

 

[UncleBuck]

Oh, he owned slaves too, so Jefferson was most likely wrong about everything. (in b4 the village idiot)

he didn't just own them, he raped them when they were 13 year old kids and made his own slave rape kids work as slaves.

 

[UncleBuck]

From the link I posted earlier, Washington, DC spends more than $18,000 per year per pupil. Obviously, money is not the solution.

I don't mind spending tax money for education, but I do mind just pissing it away to fund the culture wars.

Give parents a choice where to send their kids to school: vouchers. If DC gave a voucher of $18K per year there would be rapid and marked improvement in the educational outcomes of a great many students. We can't have that though, it violates the strangle hold of the teachers unions.

The idiots will be along shortly to claim that all the vouchered students will be studying in Madrassas.

culture wars and teachers union, oh my!

you are also a racist loser.

 

[UncleBuck]

The Politically Correct disease has hit schools the hardest.

political correctness! OHNOEZ!

you are also a racist loser.

 

[abandonconflict]

he didn't just own them, he raped them when they were 13 year old kids and made his own slave rape kids work as slaves.

Of course he agrees with his views on rights.

 

[UncleBuck]

Of course he agrees with his views on rights.

he called the guy his dream president.