Would you support universal basic income if it meant eliminating all other social safety net progs?

[Rob Roy]

no.

i can go to the store and see what the price of eggs is, and compare it to what the BLS says. so can you. i can even do it for you. just give me your general area and i will find the safeway there and online shop to verify prices.

kkkynes tried to write off the BLS as inaccurate as well and i have a series of screenshots that proved him to be 100% wrong, just as you are.

everything you say is bullshit.

inb4 a rape comparison is made.

I raise my own chickens, but thanks for the offer.

So, there's been no increase in the cost of goods and services in the USA, is that what you are saying ?

How many people are no longer included in their calculations ? Is choosing the parameters a good way to manipulate statistics?

 

[GrowUrOwnDank]

You don't know how close we already are in the USA?

If you are pregnant and live in a poor household, there is Medicaid that will pay the medical costs before, during and after the child is born and for the child up to about the age of 5 I think. Assuming you qualify.

The pregnant mother can receive Wic food benefits in order to nourish herself and the fetus. And she is still eligible for food benefits for 6 to 12 months after the baby is born to repair her body. The baby and subsequent child is eligible to receive the VERY EXPENSIVE formula it needs, even more expensive if the child has some types of digestion problems and the formula must be prescribed, which is often the case. The child will go on to recieve baby foods and eventually healthy fruits, veggies, milk and cereals as long as the family still qualifies up to age 5. WHATS WRONG WITH A MOTHER AND CHILD BEING FED! It's a very good program in my opinion.

Food stamps. I have known a lot of diligent people who work hard, and maybe even love what they do. But, for whatever reason are stuck in minimum or low paying wage because. The owners and investors would rather pocket that "extra" cash. Broke people gotta eat! So, let the 1%ers make the lions share of the dough and the guv take care of feeding the struggling population. <smh>

Disability. For some people it's seems like a career. If you somehow manipulate the system to get that check! THE RETIREMENT PARTY IS ON! Don't matter if you're 20, 30, 40, or whatever! Amongst many cultures in our communities? You might be lauded as much as someone who worked their way to a Masters Degree. I mean the party is seriously on! YOU GETTING A CHECK FOREVER!

Yeah, I read a lot. And there are a lot of peeps who take advantage of the entitlement system. But, there are also a lot of hard working people, mothers and innocent children out there who need these programs to survive. Because. Wages aren't fair.

Do you think 18,000 would feed a mother during her pregnancy? Take care of the medical expenses? Deliver the baby? And feed the baby those expensive formulas?

Nah. I would rather just have the opportunity to work as long as I can, than receive 18K a year.

 

[god1]

Because, acknowledging the flaws, it is the best system available...

I find it interesting that you believe that. Then you're not a "socialist". Now I'm intrigued.

How exactly do you propose to maintain a "capitalistic" economic structure yet "nab" the CEO's and corporate executives earnings in order to keep the cost of "hamburgers" low while increasing the income of low level employees?

You can't do that with out a fundamental transformation to "socialism". No way in hell can you implement the type of UBI system you're talking about and still maintain the rest of the "safety net" without the conversion and or a much higher tax rate.

Denmark is nothing more than a system of public co-ops. Nothing is free, it's paid for willingly by the constituents of the country in the form of taxes. Personal taxes are way over the 60% range.

Their system is essentially the same concept that Richard Wolff has been pushing for a while. It's socialism with a capitalistic motivation if you will ... kind of like bees.

Interesting ...

 

[WeedFreak78]

Damn..walk away for a day a

I disagree with your opinion that if the amount of income a person receives increases, prices of goods/services automatically increase to the maximum allowed potential, too. Supply/demand coupled with market competition is what drives prices, not potential buying power, ie. income.

Maybe in a true supply and demand/completion type system, but you know the reality of the fact is if business knows that there is an influx more "disposable" income at the bottom, they are going to figure out how to get a bigger share of that. What I don't understand is that most people, both on the top and bottom, realize our financial system is a fluid thing and money needs to flow in order for it to function well. The people at the top need to invest in infrastructure and wages so that the people on the bottom have the money to spend on products and services to fund the people investing in infrastructure and wages, rinse and repeat( way overly simplified). When the money gets to the top and stops there..the system starts falling apart. We need to stop allowing the people in the commercial/banking industries to write their own laws and regulations.

 

[schuylaar]

When I took sociology they talked about dividing all of the money up equally amongst each adult. Back then we each got a million, I'm sure it's more than that now.

The statement was within 6 months the rich would be rich again, the poor would be poor again. Nobody could make a good argument otherwise.

which data sets were utilized? if n-position (natra)?..if g-position (geiste) which qualitative?

please don't tell me that you've only utilized the 30-40 students in class as conclusion to your professor's hypothesis

 

[ginwilly]

which data sets were utilized? if n-position (natra)?..if g-position (geiste) which qualitative?

please don't tell me that you've only utilized the 30-40 students in class as conclusion to your professor's hypothesis

LOL!!

OK, you tell me then, how do we prove this statement to be true or false without actually re-dividing all of the money in the country. It's a philosophical statement....

You are doing what you do again. Don't you have some jews to bash right now?

 

[schuylaar]

Never lol always cracks me up when people poison the well with words like always and never.

The proof you obviously don't have lol

did you ever notice how some employment survey's use an extreme of "always" and "never"?, you shouldn't answer in those columns because there is nothing that is "always" and nothing that is "never"..such extremes weeds out those incapable of flexibility.

 

[schuylaar]

why can't you righties read about then discuss? you ask questions re: UBI which are clearly answered:

http://medicolink.dk/welfare-system-in-denmark

 

[schuylaar]

you should try drawing it in crayon for these people.

actually, no, that will not get it through to them. maybe if you got fox news to make it a talking point they'd believe it. actually, they would definitely believe it if that were the case.

that's because FOX is 'fair and balanced' not 'factual and balanced'.

 

[schuylaar]

no. simply no.

businesses in denmark are still open, and big macs only cost $0.58 more. the tradeoff is that no one ever goes into medical debt and min wage is $20 an hour.

sounds horrible, right?

because rules and regs!

 

[ginwilly]

why can't you righties read about then discuss? you ask questions re: UBI which are clearly answered:

http://medicolink.dk/welfare-system-in-denmark

You keep bringing up Denmark as proof that a UBI works.

You understand Denmark is not under a UBI system don't you?

I like their welfare system better than ours, they actually teach a man to fish instead of just giving him his daily fish, but it's not a UBI.

They also have something there we don't, jobs, low unemployment and shame if you game the system.

 

[schuylaar]

You keep bringing up Denmark as proof that a UBI works.

You understand Denmark is not under a UBI system don't you?

I like their welfare system better than ours, they actually teach a man to fish instead of just giving him his daily fish, but it's not a UBI.

They also have something there we don't, jobs, low unemployment and shame if you game the system.

it's called the Nordic Model which is a combination of socialism/capitalism.

we already have jobs and low unemployment.

and you're right, it's frowned upon to cheat the system..you know that friend you have who cheats on his quarterlies? makes $250k reports $25k..remember what you said about that?

 

[see4]

I guess you have a deep hidden meaning in this post and only people like you can understand it.

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.

 

[Rob Roy]

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard.

 

[sheskunk]

did you ever notice how some employment survey's use an extreme of "always" and "never"?, you shouldn't answer in those columns because there is nothing that is "always" and nothing that is "never"..such extremes weeds out those incapable of flexibility.

Do you wipe your butt after you poop? Always.

How often do you kill kittens? Never.

 

[shishkaboy]

which data sets were utilized? if n-position (natra)?..if g-position (geiste) which qualitative?

please don't tell me that you've only utilized the 30-40 students in class as conclusion to your professor's hypothesis

Because, acknowledging the flaws, it is the best system available

Right, said stuffs require no improvisation...

I don't fully agree with the system, but can get it changed. That is why I stay.
I think we would still need to be a "capitalistic" type of incentive program or something. I mean why go to college and become an engineer when your still only going to get the same wages as a high school student. I kinda dont think UBI would work for that kinda reason.
There are no bad ideas when brainstorming.

 

[Doer]

A UBI of $1,500/month ($18,000/year) to every American citizen, regardless of age, from birth to death & the elimination of all other social safety net programs

Support/oppose? Why?

Nice and impossible. The pillar of society is safety nets. You cannot even qualify without that. Just a war cult.

Every tribe that has ever been is only about the safety net. Without the nets you show no altruism. And if don't show that, you are a failed civilization that is rolled over by those that will preserve all the thinkers AND the not so much

You pay a stray today, you pay 3 strays tomorrow.

 

[UncleBuck]

So, there's been no increase in the cost of goods and services in the USA, is that what you are saying ?

how many times are you gonna make a lame attempt to mischaracterize what i am saying? you made a false statement and got called out on it, deal with it.

in case you would like to be reminded of what it is i am actually saying, let's review how this discussion has gone down and how wrong you have been at every step of the way:

you started off by saying that: enough prices will rise that the increase in a persons income, will quickly become moot, as his costs will rise too.

i contradicted your false statement, reminding you that: we can go own any good on the BLS list and compare its cost over time to minimum wage and see that you are 100% full of shit.

you then accused me of "cherrypicking". i contradicted you once again, stating all the things that were on the BLS list (pretty much all staple food items).

you then accused the BLS of "propaganda and misinformation". i contradicted you once again, stating that you could verify their prices against the prices at your local store, or that i would do it for you.

and now we are right back where we started at the original strawman of "SO PRICES NEVER RISE< HUH? LULOLOLULULOL!"

so i will just repeat what i said originally: we can go own any good on the BLS list and compare its cost over time wages and see that you are 100% full of shit.

inb4 a rape comparison is made.

 

[UncleBuck]

They also have something there we don't, jobs, low unemployment and shame if you game the system.

do you just think of the stupidest possible thing to say at a given time, and then say it?

 

[desert dude]

Paddywhacker, I have a question. Would this UBI be indexed for inflation? After all, it's no good being paid to be a loafer this year if you can't continue to loaf in the future.