Thank you. I read your response which led to my response. See how that works?
Is God a terrorist?
- Thread starter CC Dobbs
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Sooo...you'll be leaving? I have a very strong feeling you won't be leaving with a grin.
Being commanded by Hitler is the same as being commanded by God.
I am not trying to be annoying and I do understand that you are a fanatic and can't really see what you believe.
Really!...people have their own minds, unless you are a religious person and then you do what you are told to and don't dare disagree.
trippnface
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my answer is "no" 
Padawanbater2
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Absolutely
I'd take it a step further - people who oppose human rights based on their religion are also terrorists, including American Christians who oppose homosexuality/homosexual marriage
Organized religion is the worst thing to happen to humanity in history
I'd take it a step further - people who oppose human rights based on their religion are also terrorists, including American Christians who oppose homosexuality/homosexual marriage
Organized religion is the worst thing to happen to humanity in history
justugh
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yes on the T word about ppl imposing own values on others (isis and the ppl that want all guns gone are the same extract thing...just the method differ).......same thing for politicians they play on the fears of the masses to get that vote to push what they want tho by making ppl feel scared .......hell nacey grace is one of the biggest in the world i do not know why she is allowed on tv
organized religion is not bad it is the ppl that are in charge of it .......their ethics wrapped with the power and over time u get what we have now ....the original ones that were about teaching and gathering the ppl together to make them stronger in numbers......they were 100% needed for life to progress passed simple tribes
religion was and is the first control on human kind a code of ethics and actions to allow massive numbers of ppl to exist in the same area with out going to complete war with one and other .......with out that and alcohol cities would of never formed let alone lasted more then a few years
for ppl that do not know water in the old days was fowl with waste ......ppl were sick fuckers tossing shit and piss right out in the streets rivers /creeks/lakes by a city the water would kill u .....so they made weak alcoholic drinks to have instead of water (not understanding boil it and the alcohol killed the bad stuff) ....beer/wine making is very very very old
now please do not get me wrong .......it was needed and still partly is but the ppl in charge of the roman catholic church are some of the evilest sons of bitches to every exist on the face of the planet .......i personally think the church should be disbanded for crimes against humanity and the continuing of that even to this day .....long with them be publicly executed
i was looking for a list of crimes against humanity done by the church ...........u know what i found a case in the world court against pope francis for sex crimes human trafficking murder ......enough evidence for the world court to open a investigation (it takes alot to get a case opened by them)
.the church is the mob in a legal form .....long long since warped and twisted from what it original started as
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Padawanbater2
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I disagree, both with your overall premise - that some people need religion to be good and with your overall point - that without religion, people wouldn't be good
If you need religion to be good, you're not a good person, even with religion. You're a sentient robot afraid of judgment. If you're good through fear of retribution, it's not really the good of the decision that's keeping you civil, it's the fear of what would happen to you if you don't act on civility. So if I tell you I'll kill you if you don't pretend to love me, can I really claim you actually love me if I don't kill you during the night? Of course not, the same goes for theists.
justugh
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they do not need it .......it was the first set of codes.....even today u learn them before u learn the laws (Sunday school)
the whole idea of religion is to take the fear out of it .....along with explain somethings not understood......over the years it been twisted (not one time did jesus say to talk to god u have to talk to me or one of my ppl on earth) that was a invention of the church once they had complete control of all the other sects (rem for the roman church to be top dog they had to kill anything that did not agree with their view of it ) the bible was made buy a group of guys in 312ad if something did not fit toss it out if a word they did not like change it to mean this (at least with the Jewish ppl they had 4000 rules to ensure that the torah was copied exactly a rabbi from 2000 bc could read a torah written in 2000ad )
and really check with any professor of history ........it had to happen ....... it happen before it will happen again time after time ( right now we have the major 3 views of the world) before they had city states with each having own god and own set of rules and ethics that the god of the city deemed correct /allowed and the ones they deemed wrong
(look at south and north america before anyone from the west came over ......same thing as greece and middle east )
religion is needed .......wish it was not as i think a good chunk of it is a bunch of sheer crap that was added in from other cultures that have long gone to dust ......like the flood story that is the tale of Gilgamesh from sumerian culture
Padawanbater2
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No, religion is not needed
Religion is poison. It teaches people to hate those they've never met and love those that would condemn them to death or con them out of their hard earned money
justugh
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because the leaders of those religion saids it means this .....when really if u look at the words it does not say anything like that but i have not gone to school and spent 40 years reading the same book so what i think it saids is wrong
if u want to blame something then put it where it belongs ......with the ppl incharge not the whole idea
Gregor Eisenhorn
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Wait, what? Where in the bible does it say that you should kill every last unbeliever? Love thy neighbour? It doesn't get anymore simple than that.
I just think that you people are trying so desperately to find something bad and evil in religion that you're actually FORCING that negativeity on your views.
Explain this shit please, I'm a believer in God, yet I have never ever hit anyone, nor have I killed/stolen. I try to follow His laws as much as possible, so when someone is wicked to me I try my best to forgive them. "Love thy neighbour?" where is the hate in that sentance? So no, I am not a hating, ungrateful, racist, bigot, fanatic for believing in God. People, stop generalizing because that's exactly what religious fanatics do.
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Gregor Eisenhorn
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And bloody hell, what will wiping out religion solve? Do you know how you sound like? Yep, you got it, just like those religious fanatics you all so despise of. People will just find new ways of justifying their actions. That's the way it was and will be.
Padawanbater2
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"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." -Steven Weinberg
You sound a lot like the hundreds of millions of moderate believers. Unfortunately, there exists a small segment of nearly every religion that takes it literally and in doing so they convince themselves that harming other people, for whatever batshit insane reason they tell themselves, is what their god commands. The result of which is unacceptable.
Having said that, there is literally nothing you currently get from your belief in god that you couldn't get elsewhere less all the horseshit hatred for others that comes along with it. You believe because you want to believe, or because you were told to believe, not because the evidence says to.
justugh
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human psyche requires it for the advancement of the race
i have given the reason why ........honestly talk to any history/religion/psy professor u want ......they will all say the same thing for different reasons but it all comes down to same thing .....needed
Padawanbater2
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Religion is not needed, that's bullshit. You've given no reasons for such an opinion. Anything gained through religion can be gained through other, equally as effective, and monumentally safer means.
Religion serves as a vessel to enslave people. Just look at what Islam has done to billions of people worldwide.
justugh
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ok your right merry x-mas
but really u are wrong but just simpler to let u think u won on a nice day like this .......i get grandma food so what the fuck time to get stoned before the family function (this year no micheal at the party so double bonus no benzo needed not to kill him )
Padawanbater2
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You said it was "needed", so explain yourself
I sure as fuck don't need it, so why would you suggest humanity does?
If I can be a moral person without religion, why can't others?
Gregor Eisenhorn
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You said it yourself, small segment aka fanatics. These fanatics themselves will be wiped out from the face of the earth come a few more decades of reforms. Thankfully, homosexual relationships are now legal in the United States and every single homophobe be it religious or not has nothing to say in the matter. Hell, they might even stop to think about their personal beliefs and realize how wrong they are in contrast to the majority of the world.
So it is proven that religion isn't some kind of virus that attacks everyone and makes them hate each other. Millions of religious people (the "moderates" as you described them) live side by side with atheists and nothings going wrong.
I'm sorry, but you get hatred within every aspect of humanity, some not even related to religion.
So it is proven that religion isn't some kind of virus that attacks everyone and makes them hate each other. Millions of religious people (the "moderates" as you described them) live side by side with atheists and nothings going wrong.
I'm sorry, but you get hatred within every aspect of humanity, some not even related to religion.
Gregor Eisenhorn
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That's a fine point Padawan, but that still doesn't explain why atheists can be immoral without believing in metaphysical beings.
And also, if someone is moral and believes in a god, them that's a win win situation for him right?
New Age United
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Honestly; if someone needs the notion of a supreme being or eternal damnation or the reward of eternal life to be moral then that is a very unstable conscience, it relies on faith which could be shattered at any moment.