pinner420
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Rhizotonic is in a league of its own.... I've tied nitrozyme and cyco but always come back.
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HydroNito305
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But Rhizotonic is mostly algea based/kelp extract, correct?
pinner420
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I use it as cloning solution so my 20 dollar bottle is like a year and a half old I couldn't afford to run if I had to use it as directed.
pinner420
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It's the cleanest I've found. like boost some secrets and mostly conjecture about pgr's.
MisterBlah
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Rhizotonic is Kelp and IBA.
HydroNito305
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Kelp and indole-3-butyric acid (IBA)???
churchhaze
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So has anyone used one of these recipes... or will this thread end up with 100 pages of stupid questions and ZERO people buying and mixing salts? Anyone want to try the ironless formula?
ttystikk
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Yup.
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since1991
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what other one? Canna Boost? Most likely triacontinol. If you see any gains with it (i havent - not enough to justify the shelf price). Most of your non mineral flowering and rooting boosters are going to largely be comprised of plant hormones derived from kelp (auxins...cytokinins...and gibberellins are tue most common) and humic/fulvic acids and maybe aminos. Ive found that supplying these "extras" is much more effective applied as a foliar spray about once a week. They make for a bushier plant with explosive tops and a vigorous root system. When using mineral nutrients and using kelps and humics...you get organic like bushy growth. And organic soil or organic bottle nutrient has always gave me a bushier and less lanky plant. But i get much better yields using mineral nutes. Combine the 2 for the best of both in my opinion.
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since1991
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Use that as a foliar mixed with humic/fulvic acid once a week with a yucca based wetting agent in veg and very early flower. Builds the structure and framework that good genetics...optimum lighting...and a dialed room environment can play upon when in heavy bud set. Looks to be cheaper than Nitrozime, Nf Alaska Pure, Rhizotonic, Liquid Karma, and a bazillion other similar products. Use a mineral base fertilizer and maybe potassium silicate in the root zone... should be all you need. None of the other products makes such a huge difference as to justify the price. I mean - damn- some of them bottles are just ridiculous in price. Ive used them all and results have largely been inconclusive. Its all in the genetics and as close to perfect grow room climate control as you can get. In my one smaller room where i dont have my mini split and commercial dehuey my temps got out of hand just slightly on this last run. Canopy averaged 85 to 87 degrees lights on and stayed 75 to 77 throughout lights off because of the cheapo grandma dehuey just blows (literally - hot air). Perfect example. Buds were not as dense and chunky. Less trichomes. Nutrients and additives play such a smaller roll as atmosphere. But I will admit to using Nitrozime as my go to foliar additive. Shits expensive. But a quart lasts me quite awhile at about a teaspoon per liter spray bottle. Iam ah have to look into that Alaska brand. I bet its cheap as hell and just as effective.
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Redoctober
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Do we know what's in Roots Excelurator?
I have used it in the past and must say that it does work very well, but is absurdly expensive
Also it doesn't have a very long shelf life
One bottle that I had sitting around for over a year caused root infections that killed a few of my plants
would love to do a diy version
I have used it in the past and must say that it does work very well, but is absurdly expensive
Also it doesn't have a very long shelf life
One bottle that I had sitting around for over a year caused root infections that killed a few of my plants
would love to do a diy version
since1991
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BioRoot from General Organics has gave me the roots i want at a much cheaper price than r excel. Its ALL in the hormones. Rhizotonic...r excel...rapid root...and all the rest are very concentrated AUXINS and some other hormones. Nothing else really but marketing. For foliar kelps you want high cytokinins. Makes a much more bushy and compact plant. Lots of tops. Remember...auxins for roots...cytokinins for branchy bud sites...gibberellins for..well i dont quite know. Seed starting maybe? Help me out fellas that know plant hormones. What the fuk do gibbs actually do? And dont cut and paste. Because ive prolly read it before. Tell me in YOUR words!!!
Roger A. Shrubber
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gibb makes a plant grow a lot internodally. if you use gibb and cytokinins at the same time the plant grows quickly and stays bushy. can do the same thing with gibb and triacontonal
budman111
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I know what is NOT in it anymore, the growth regulator that used to give you huge white as snow fuzzy roots.
Redoctober
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I just started using Cyto Plus which is kelp(cytokinins), humic, fulvic, and chelated trace elements. Put some in the rez and going to do a foliar application. Will see how it goes, I may need to try BioRoot as long as it runs clean as I do aero.
I've always been curious about Gibberellic acid, but my strain is very stretchy so I'm afraid to use it because I've always read it make internodes grow further apart. I would like to use triacontanol, people say you can make your own with alfalfa meal but I haven't seen a definitive recipe. Do you know of one, or a good source?
Roger A. Shrubber
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/321744127815?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
at 1 ppm thats enough for many gallons
if you have a strain thats already stretchy i'd try
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221087569459?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
instead, or even something like vegamatrix hard and quick, which has a lot of cytokinins. i've accidentally oversprayed a seedling with hard and quick and it went berserk, just stacking leaf on top of leaf with no internodal length
at 1 ppm thats enough for many gallons
if you have a strain thats already stretchy i'd try
http://www.ebay.com/itm/221087569459?_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
instead, or even something like vegamatrix hard and quick, which has a lot of cytokinins. i've accidentally oversprayed a seedling with hard and quick and it went berserk, just stacking leaf on top of leaf with no internodal length
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Redoctober
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Very interesting thanks Roger! I'd never even heard of Brassinolide before, or Brassinosteroid (just read the Wikipedia). It says it is a natural hormone extracted from rapeseed that helps with yield and stress reduction. I'm going to definitely try it. I'm assuming it decreases stretch?
Little confused because the article says it promotes "cell elongation" but that doesn't necessarily mean it causes stretch, just bigger individual cells right?
I do have a very stretchy strain that I'm trying to control the internode spacing of. The buds tend to be a bit fluffy too, so any natural PGRs that might firm it up a bit would be great too.
Does Brassinolide or Triacontanol have a flower hardening effect?
I use Cytoplus, which I believe has cytokinens and auxins, but I could try the vegamatrix even though it's a bit pricey.