Official 'FUCK THE POLICE' Thread. (Examples of Police Brutality)

[curious2garden]

They already pick and choose what to enforce.

Not exactly, allow me to explain, LEO top management chooses priorities and focus of enforcement. If they are not confiscating enough for the politicos, under whose aegis they serve, they will rapidly be replaced, or hindered, and a more like minded official will be hired or backed to be elected.

 

[curious2garden]

Hmmmm, you can't be bothered to use Google to see about my assertions, why should I be bothered to do it about yours?

Thin skin covering thinner argument.

Looking up a word you do not understand is different than looking for facts to back your opponents argument. If you wish to defend your argument please bring the facts. If any wording in your argument eludes me I'll refer to google as necessary. This is a fine but important point of debate.

 

[ttystikk]

Not exactly, allow me to explain, LEO top management chooses priorities and focus of enforcement. If they are not confiscating enough for the politicos, under whose aegis they serve, they will rapidly be replaced, or hindered, and a more like minded official will be hired or backed to be elected.

I'm gonna use that word again, because I've watched cops pick and choose what they want to enforce on multiple occasions.

 

[ttystikk]

Looking up a word you do not understand is different than looking for facts to back your opponents argument. If you wish to defend your argument please bring the facts. If any wording in your argument eludes me I'll refer to google as necessary. This is a fine but important point of debate.

Until they want to be part of the solution instead of a clan whose mentality is us against the citizens, I'm still going with fuck the police.

 

[cannabineer]

Hmmmm, you can't be bothered to use Google to see about my assertions, why should I be bothered to do it about yours?

Thin skin covering thinner argument.

How am I to sort the Google references by verity, bias, several other parameters? When you say i am too lazy to Google something, you devalue your entire argument.
As for word definitions, Googling thiose tends to be free of that exact source of controversy.

Second year grad students know not to make THAT mistake. Considering your naivete the elders here are displaying forbearance. You may not be familiar with the codicils of the debating arena.

 

[cannabineer]

I'm gonna use that word again, because I've watched cops pick and choose what they want to enforce on multiple occasions.

Might that be a consequence of those same cops being the expediters or executors of a system that is fraught with contradiction? If so, where is your ire correctly diercted? (Hint. Not at the expediters.)

 

[ttystikk]

Might that be a consequence of those same cops being the expediters or executors of a system that is fraught with contradiction? If so, where is your ire correctly diercted? (Hint. Not at the expediters.)

I have the vocabulary of a PhD English professor and your excessive verbosity continues to obfuscate any semblance of reason.

In other words, try not to hide behind big words so much, it only makes your arguments weaker.

 

[curious2garden]

Might that be a consequence of those same cops being the expediters or executors of a system that is fraught with contradiction? If so, where is your ire correctly diercted? (Hint. Not at the expediters.)

That is the real issue. Until the cognitive dissonance of the rules is corrected you can't expect the rank and file to behave differently. That would be akin to sending troops to Vietnam and expecting them not to kill people.

 

[ttystikk]

How am I to sort the Google references by verity, bias, several other parameters? When you say i am too lazy to Google something, you devalue your entire argument.
As for word definitions, Googling thiose tends to be free of that exact source of controversy.

Second year grad students know not to make THAT mistake. Considering your naivete the elders here are displaying forbearance. You may not be familiar with the codicils of the debating arena.

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Try again, this time without the self superior verbal antics.

 

[cannabineer]

I have the vocabulary of a PhD English professor and your excessive verbosity continues to obfuscate any semblance of reason.

In other words, try not to hide behind big words so much, it only makes your arguments weaker.

OK reframe my argument with one-dollar words or less.


Then address it.

 

[curious2garden]

I have the vocabulary of a PhD English professor and your excessive verbosity continues to obfuscate any semblance of reason.

In other words, try not to hide behind big words so much, it only makes your arguments weaker.

Odd I don't find his arguments obfuscated by his vocabulary and I do not have the vocabulary or the grammar of even an undergrad english major. But better to complain about the structure of the argument than actually make it I suppose.

 

[cannabineer]

Blah blah blah

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Try again, this time without the self superior verbal antics.

Are you going to dismiss the content of my argument because, tone? Oh shit do I have your number

 

[curious2garden]

Blah blah blah

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Try again, this time without the self superior verbal antics.

So now you have devolved to mocking, the basic in ad hominem attack.

 

[cannabineer]

That is the real issue. Until the cognitive dissonance of the rules is corrected you can't expect the rank and file to behave differently. That would be akin to sending troops to Vietnam and expecting them not to kill people.

Bingo. There is a basic difference between the free folks who DECIDE policy, and the poor conscripts who ENFORCE it

 

[757growin]

Yes and that is where the swearing and emotion comes from. I already asked for him to publish one bad LEO policy. He did not answer that either. He cherry picks ::shrug::

It's not Leo's policy. The problem is the people who are hired to follow Leo policy. The dirty, filthy blue wall is a problem. Under qualified Leo on the streets is a problem. Leo not following Leo policy is a problem. Retaliation against the few descent Leo who do follow Leo policy. These issues are rampant in many police departments through out the usa.

 

[curious2garden]

It's not Leo's policy. The problem is the people who are hired to follow Leo policy. The dirty, filthy blue wall is a problem. Under qualified Leo on the streets is a problem. Leo not following Leo policy is a problem. Retaliation against the few descent Leo who do follow Leo policy. These issues are rampant in many police departments through out the usa.

I know it's not LEO policy. I asked the person I was debating with for one bad policy. The problem is with the laws the police have to enforce and the type of problem enforcing those egregious laws breeds.

Edit: You may wish to read more of my posts in this thread. I am fairly clear about my stance.

 

[whitebb2727]

How do you know the ones killed were deserving of the sentence? Did they get a trial? I have very close family that is LEO and military so this hits very close to home for me. They can not pick and choose what they enforce. They enforce the laws on the books. If you don't want it enforced you have to legislate that. The cops are merely the tip of our domestic policy spear completely analogous with the military being the tip of our foreign policy spear.

Essentially legislators and the people make the law.
Law enforcement management makes the decisions on priority and focus of enforcement.
Ground troops are usually just trying to make it home alive.

Trust me you go to the local legislators and bother them about confiscatory policing they will not hear you. Guess where a lot of their money comes from. So it's a very fine line to tread being in LEO now. I do not think hating and killing is going to solve this.

We need to take the system back and frankly I don't think mere campaign reform will do anything when one party is just as bad as the other. Then again that is why I stayed very far out of this. I can tangibly heal someone, I can argue for someone and I can write code but fixing something as complex and broken as this is, I do not even pretend I have the answers.

But I can say stridency and anger regarding a subject have always been clues that that is not the answer.

Trust me, what I said was not without serious thought. I to know people that are leo.

Do I think the ones slain deserved it? I can't answer that because I did not know them but until the good cops change what is going on and rid the bad apples I expect things like that to happen.

Remove the incentive for violating civil rights. Confiscated property and money should go to the communities where they were taken and not to the police to buy new military style toys.

Clearly the problem is not the law. We have rights against the things they are doing but they still side skirt them. How do we change that except for an officer to know and realize that they might lose their life if they do such things, at least lose their job and be banned from future police jobs.

 

[RickyBobby26]

I saw a car run a stop sign the other day, and a policeman pulled the car over. It turned out that the policeman was white and the car driver was a young black male. And the cop wrote him a ticket for running the stop sign. I claim racism!

 

[tyler.durden]

I LOVE this shit...

 

[Dalek Supreme]

Too bad everyone collectively cannot stop playing their 21 questions game to try, and catch you in a lie.

This really pisses them off.