Aussie Growers Thread
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yummy fur
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This is what I was going to post yesterday. Remember though that I'm not comparing the vipar spectra to anything other than LED's in that price range and I'm referring not to big growers but to someone who just wants one or two plants in a small space and doesn't want to spend at least double the cost.
FWIW, the ChiLED's are way out of my price bracket, but that's what I'd get if I could afford it.
I'm using the Viparspectra PAR 700 in a 60x90 makeshift room with one side open (ha try doing that with a non autoflower) and a fan blowing over the top. It already has a bunch of 7500K white and 3000K white LEDs which I use on their own at half power for seedlings. Not sure if you know or not but white LEDs are made with Blue LEDs that have been coated with a phosphors. Being blue they have more energy so they can be stepped down as it were with the phosphors. This means they will still have their blue peak, and the overflow energy is transformed into white by adding green and red. RGB = W. White LEDs are the cheapest. As you know plants do use greenish/yellow light, but they do not use it as efficiently as they do either blue or red.
The extra cold 7500K rather than the 5500K of sunlight, and the extra warm of the 3000K mix together to produce a nice spectrum that can have more or less red depending on the balance. If my vipar was all white it would be as *generally* as good as a white COB but it *would be less efficient* in making light.
But Are We Not Men, did we not work out how to land a fucking car on Mars. Did we not work out how to put fish genes into a tomato. And equally can we improve upon what nature provides. Of course we can.
Plants are more efficient at using red light so it makes sense you want a lot of that, and they are very efficient with blue light so you want that too. What you refer to as Blurple are often just red and blue, and I can have that if I want by turning off the 3000K and 7500K. So I do have White light I just add other light. In the same way you can take your grow room that has white LEDs and add some red and some blue and it will not make your white light less, it will then be 'blurple' but it will still be the same white LEDs underneath that you have grown to love.
Now take these people for example they use white LEDs http://ursalighting.com/education/ and they talk about Red White and Blue light, and they have a PhD blabbing on. However read carefully what they say, and you see that they give the correct information about each colour but they are a little bit slippery in that they keep implying that 'the jury is still out' 'we don't really know', so they give you the right information then they try and scare you, so you are lead to believe that 'yes they are talking about Red and Blue so they are not tricking me, they must be using white because as Donald Trump would say 'who knows', "who knew health care could be so difficult" "Hilary knew you, fucking Orange Tool"
But the fact is that White LEDs are the cheapest.
If I could afford it I'd be using a DIY self assembled kit from https://chilledgrowlights.com/product-category/diy-led-grow-light-kits have you seen their youtube channel, they can put their LED fixture in a tank of water and run it.< eek gif> After you've recovered from that they put the entire fucking power supply in the tank as well. So if you are living in Atlantis you'll be sorted. Point is that they care. If you go to their do it yourself spectrum tool page, you can watch what their light looks like when you turn the red all the way off, it looks just like the best white light spectruma. They are not putting extra red lights in there because it's cheap. But what has impressed me most about their lights is that their blue lights have an extra UV bump at 380nm and the purpose of this is explained in their literature, it's to force the plant to protect itself by producing more suncream, also known as THC containing resin.
Because of that I'm looking to buy some 380nm LED from ebay and give my plants some extra UV.
They are actually using too much green which plants use but they don't use it as efficiently are either red or blue.
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This might explain... https://vocaroo.com/i/s0lgdoE8Z4gS
FWIW, the ChiLED's are way out of my price bracket, but that's what I'd get if I could afford it.
I'm using the Viparspectra PAR 700 in a 60x90 makeshift room with one side open (ha try doing that with a non autoflower) and a fan blowing over the top. It already has a bunch of 7500K white and 3000K white LEDs which I use on their own at half power for seedlings. Not sure if you know or not but white LEDs are made with Blue LEDs that have been coated with a phosphors. Being blue they have more energy so they can be stepped down as it were with the phosphors. This means they will still have their blue peak, and the overflow energy is transformed into white by adding green and red. RGB = W. White LEDs are the cheapest. As you know plants do use greenish/yellow light, but they do not use it as efficiently as they do either blue or red.
The extra cold 7500K rather than the 5500K of sunlight, and the extra warm of the 3000K mix together to produce a nice spectrum that can have more or less red depending on the balance. If my vipar was all white it would be as *generally* as good as a white COB but it *would be less efficient* in making light.
But Are We Not Men, did we not work out how to land a fucking car on Mars. Did we not work out how to put fish genes into a tomato. And equally can we improve upon what nature provides. Of course we can.
Plants are more efficient at using red light so it makes sense you want a lot of that, and they are very efficient with blue light so you want that too. What you refer to as Blurple are often just red and blue, and I can have that if I want by turning off the 3000K and 7500K. So I do have White light I just add other light. In the same way you can take your grow room that has white LEDs and add some red and some blue and it will not make your white light less, it will then be 'blurple' but it will still be the same white LEDs underneath that you have grown to love.
Now take these people for example they use white LEDs http://ursalighting.com/education/ and they talk about Red White and Blue light, and they have a PhD blabbing on. However read carefully what they say, and you see that they give the correct information about each colour but they are a little bit slippery in that they keep implying that 'the jury is still out' 'we don't really know', so they give you the right information then they try and scare you, so you are lead to believe that 'yes they are talking about Red and Blue so they are not tricking me, they must be using white because as Donald Trump would say 'who knows', "who knew health care could be so difficult" "Hilary knew you, fucking Orange Tool"
But the fact is that White LEDs are the cheapest.
If I could afford it I'd be using a DIY self assembled kit from https://chilledgrowlights.com/product-category/diy-led-grow-light-kits have you seen their youtube channel, they can put their LED fixture in a tank of water and run it.< eek gif> After you've recovered from that they put the entire fucking power supply in the tank as well. So if you are living in Atlantis you'll be sorted. Point is that they care. If you go to their do it yourself spectrum tool page, you can watch what their light looks like when you turn the red all the way off, it looks just like the best white light spectruma. They are not putting extra red lights in there because it's cheap. But what has impressed me most about their lights is that their blue lights have an extra UV bump at 380nm and the purpose of this is explained in their literature, it's to force the plant to protect itself by producing more suncream, also known as THC containing resin.
Because of that I'm looking to buy some 380nm LED from ebay and give my plants some extra UV.
They are actually using too much green which plants use but they don't use it as efficiently are either red or blue.
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This might explain... https://vocaroo.com/i/s0lgdoE8Z4gS
yummy fur
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Here's the ChiLED's spectrum, notice that if new knowledge changes your idea of the best spectra for cannabis, you're already covered.
I'm also not 'bagging' your lights, I'm just sharing some useful information because isn't that why we're all here?
Everyone is always learning, you never stop.
https://chilledgrowlights.com/yield-max-spectrum-simulation-tool
I'm also not 'bagging' your lights, I'm just sharing some useful information because isn't that why we're all here?
Everyone is always learning, you never stop.
https://chilledgrowlights.com/yield-max-spectrum-simulation-tool
Bongsmoke420
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They look good but are we ever going to try and grow anything underwater??? Lol out of your price range? They ain’t that expensive
Bongsmoke420
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Have you seen a black dog photo max now that’s an expensive LED
reza92
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the data sheets for all the samsung diodes actually have most of the spectrual range peaking in the blue and red regions
yummy fur
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I didn't mean the DIY kits, I was looking at the ready prepared water cooled units. Then there'd be the exchange rate and shipping.
https://chilledgrowlights.com/our-products-services/commercial-led-grow-lights/gen-2-led-grow-light-200-watts-single-strip
https://chilledgrowlights.com/our-products-services/commercial-led-grow-lights/gen-2-led-grow-light-200-watts-single-strip
reza92
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or the kind leds. expensive wastes of space
yummy fur
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Check out what they say about UVA, notice the 380nm peak?
https://chilledgrowlights.com/education
https://chilledgrowlights.com/independent-lab-reports
I'm told that one of their spectrum controllers will control 250 units. They also build to order exactly to your specifications. I'm not saying 'get these lights', when someone pointed me in this direction it was like Mind=>Blown, because they had exactly the spectrum that I would design myself.
https://chilledgrowlights.com/education
https://chilledgrowlights.com/independent-lab-reports
I'm told that one of their spectrum controllers will control 250 units. They also build to order exactly to your specifications. I'm not saying 'get these lights', when someone pointed me in this direction it was like Mind=>Blown, because they had exactly the spectrum that I would design myself.
yummy fur
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And lots of others, they aren't rubbish, they're all good lights but they are very ordinary, nothing special. Before I settled on the Viparspectra PAR700 I was just about to pull the trigger on the Platinum P450 but it would have cost me around 800 bucks with the exchange rate and shipping.
The latest model Vipars, are nothing special but they are the best lights in their price range in Australia, especially when you consider their versatility, excellent cooling and factory service located in Australia. For the small grower of one or two plants. That's really all I wanted to get across.
By calling the lights a complete crock of shit, (I don't mean you personally I don't know who said it) you just give any random newbie false information and send them off to waste double their cash. This might be good for your ego but it's shit advice for someone looking for advice.
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reza92
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for the cost of the vipar you could have built a decent led rig from scratch that would have been more efficient. most pre built lights dont accomplish what the user is buying them for, to replace a hps without the added heat and using less power without sacrificing yeild or quality.
reza92
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just because theyll grow grow something doesnt mean they aint rubbish. cfl's will grow weed but they are most definitely trash grow lights
yummy fur
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So if you guys read about what ChiLED say in their education section on UVA, have you thought about building yourself a little supplementary light with LEDs from eBay? I'm wanting to do that.
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Epileds-12W-4-leds-UV-420NM-430NM-395NM-380NM-365NM-Led-Light-7V-14V/161925176148
https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Epileds-12W-4-leds-UV-420NM-430NM-395NM-380NM-365NM-Led-Light-7V-14V/161925176148
giglewigle
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Like a seed I’m pretty sure any thing put out now would still veg I think the light on hours are increasing still
Bongsmoke420
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It is abit expensive isn’t it
reza92
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nope ill do my own research not take information thats probably been cherry picked by the manufacturer to make their lights look good.
plus with uv you always risk doing more damage then help. plus thats extra chance at getting skin cancer while playing with my girls
reza92
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for 200w yeah, yeah it is
Bongsmoke420
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Everything I have given to friend has started to flower I guess when you go from 8 weeks of 18/6 and then normal daylight hours are enough to flip them lol.... isn’t that called indoor/outdoor
reza92
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epileds diodes are just knockoffs of epistar diodes which are already inefficient. try looking at better diode manufactures. ebay isnt a great spot to buy parts, look at arrow and digikey