Bernie Sanders 2020

Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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Fogdog said:
He was booed off the stage at a black women's conference just a few weeks ago. As shown in 2016, he can't win with just a majority of white male voters. He's a terrible leader on rights issues that affect black, women and Hispanic people. Now that you so-called Progressives have alternatives to Bernie he has even less of a chance than he did in 2016.
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If he loses the first three Primaries maybe we can make Ty a believer
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Herb & Suds said:
No those are you words , not mine
Union busting did more damage than free education can fix
Plenty of folks are overqualified and under payed with College Degrees
Still not feeling the Bern
Btw the polls I have seen include that younger age group , if it didn't he wouldn't even be at 10%
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Moving the goal posts?

Ok, Bernie is on board with strengthening unions too. So am I. Establishment Democrats have have had almost half a century since Reagan broke the air traffic controller's strike to fight back- and they haven't done it.

There's even a Democratic governor in Wisconsin who could reverse Scott Walker's right to work catastrophe but he hasn't even brought it up.

The Democratic party is a failure on unions and the unions have figured that out.
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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ttystikk said:
Moving the goal posts?

Ok, Bernie is on board with strengthening unions too. So am I. Establishment Democrats have have had almost half a century since Reagan broke the air traffic controller's strike to fight back- and they haven't done it.

There's even a Democratic governor in Wisconsin who could reverse Scott Walker's right to work catastrophe but he hasn't even brought it up.

The Democratic party is a failure on unions and the unions have figured that out.
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Look you don't seem to be able to differentiate between not liking Bernie and approval of some things he says
I could say I like something all 22 of them have to say
I want to win but I on't see Bernie as the guy to motivate most moderates
 
londonfog

londonfog

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ttystikk said:
Obama didn't do shit to help fix income inequality, a fact that hot black people in this country even harder than whites.

It's really too bad how focused you are on electing people who won't help this country fix what's broken.
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Obama had all odds against him, fighting repukes, fighting fucks like you. Question what bill did Bernie put forth to help Obama do as you suggest? Let us see how you answer this
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Obama didn't do shit to help fix income inequality, a fact that hot black people in this country even harder than whites.

It's really too bad how focused you are on electing people who won't help this country fix what's broken.
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An old white man should listen to black people about what Obama did. That includes you.

White people talking over the voices of black people and "explaining" the issues that affect black people to black people is actually a very common trait among white progressives. It's so common, black comedians get their audiences rolling with laughter with jokes about their white fragility, such as:

“White people be like, ‘I’m not just white, I’m: 22% Irish, 18% German, 28% Italian, 30% French, 2% Milk.’”

Sanders is recognized for what he is by the black community.

"I was with black Jesus at the cross 2000 years ago"

LOL
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Herb & Suds said:
They are just as bad as Trumpers
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Despite all their carping, 90% of the Sanders vote went to Clinton in the fall. So, not as bad as the people who voted for Trump. Hard as hell to listen to their bleats but they did the right thing when it came down to it. I believe their carping had an effect on the election though I've never seen anything to support it.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Fogdog said:
An old white man should listen to black people about what Obama did. That includes you.

White people talking over the voices of black people and "explaining" the issues that affect black people to black people is actually a very common trait among white progressives. It's so common, black comedians get their audiences rolling with laughter with jokes about their white fragility, such as:

“White people be like, ‘I’m not just white, I’m: 22% Irish, 18% German, 28% Italian, 30% French, 2% Milk.’”

Sanders is recognized for what he is by the black community.

"I was with black Jesus at the cross 2000 years ago"

LOL
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I'm always amazed when a white person like tty wants to TELL me the issues with black America. How great Bernie is for the black community. Not one single example given...oh sorry he did attend the MLK speech along with 200,000 more folks.
I always wonder how many black/brown people do they associated with on a daily level ?
 
Herb & Suds

Herb & Suds

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londonfog said:
I'm always amazed when a white person like tty wants to TELL me the issues with black America. How great Bernie is for the black community. Not one single example given...oh sorry he did attend the MLK speech along with 200,000 more folks.
I always wonder how many black/brown people do they associated with on a daily level ?
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I don't believe "you wonder" LOL
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
And we won't make that mistake again.
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Your shitty attitude is on display. You so-called socialist democrats cannot win anything without the support of the base of the Democratic Party. Yet any deviation from your battery of litmus tests and you'd sit back to let Trump win.

First off, you are only speaking for yourself. Second, a fifty year old white male unemployable trust fund baby like you doesn't have anything to worry about if Trump is re-elected. Anybody who says "give me Bernie or I'll give you Trump" doesn't have enough skin in the game to worry about what Trump does. It also takes a lack of empathy to draw that conclusion too. Your narcissism is showing tty.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Your shitty attitude is on display. You so-called socialist democrats cannot win anything without the support of the base of the Democratic Party. Yet any deviation from your battery of litmus tests and you'd sit back to let Trump win.

First off, you are only speaking for yourself. Second, a fifty year old white male unemployable trust fund baby like you doesn't have anything to worry about if Trump is re-elected. Anybody who says "give me Bernie or I'll give you Trump" doesn't have enough skin in the game to worry about what Trump does. It also takes a lack of empathy to draw that conclusion too. Your narcissism is showing tty.
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Oh sure- look at where compromising on Democratic principles has gotten this country in the last 40 years.

You can be spineless if you want. I'm holding them accountable for their double dealing and the fact that they're out of the White House shows I'm far from alone.

Enough with the 'move right to capture conservatives' bullshit, already. What this country is literally dying for is a big and sustained move to the Left.
 
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