Why do my yields suck ?

[Thundercat]

Im just disagreeing with people when they say "breeders go from flower formation and not 12/12" Cause that's wrong IMO and then new growers repeat it. Which is why I asked earlier which breeder does this? As far as im aware none do (happy to be proved wrong).
12/12 is the most accurate way. Move plants into flower room and start counting. Day 1.

Reason they go longer is most breeders post clone times and have a very on point grow room. Clones as u know finish faster.

There is nothing accurate about counting from 12/12. It is only done by some because it is convienent.

Clones don't finish faster. They just have the ability to transition faster because they are genetically mature. If you count from flower formation usually a clone and a mother will finish in the same period of time since they are the same plant. When you count from only changes your count, it doesn't change how long the plant actually NEEDS to finish flowering properly.

Like I said I'm not trying to argue man. I've grown lots of strains, from seed and clone. I've learned and seen how these plants grow. They Aren't magical or mysterious. As it happens they are usually pretty predictable with their patterns.

My goal is to help others see those patterns and read the signs to help there grows each potential.

 

[Lucky Luke]

There is nothing accurate about counting from 12/12. It is only done by some because it is convienent.

Clones don't finish faster. They just have the ability to transition faster because they are genetically mature. If you count from flower formation usually a clone and a mother will finish in the same period of time since they are the same plant. When you count from only changes your count, it doesn't change how long the plant actually NEEDS to finish flowering properly.

Like I said I'm not trying to argue man. I've grown lots of strains, from seed and clone. I've learned and seen how these plants grow. They Aren't magical or mysterious. As it happens they are usually pretty predictable with their patterns.

My goal is to help others see those patterns and read the signs to help there grows each potential.

If clones transition faster then they finish faster when put into the flowering room.
Of cause its more accurate, just like Kevin says. How is a set time every time not accurate?

Lets back track. You say Breeders don't use 12/12. I say they do and posted a well known and respected breeders thoughts on the subject who of cause uses 12/12. I'm backing up my statements.
If breeders don't use 12/12 show me a link from a reputable breeder.

And I know my text often comes across as attacking and I don't mean it to be. I respect you. I just don't agree with you on this topic. Change my mind!

 

[piratebug]

A photoperiod pot plants internal flowering clock is the only thing that determines when it will switch from from vegging mode to flowering mode. And it only takes (2) consecutive light on periods below that plants internal flowering clock to switch that plant into flowering mode. And even if you were to increase the light on periods above that plants internal flowering clock after those (2) consecutive light on periods below that plants internal flowering clock most photoperiod pot plants will continue to flower for (2) to (3) more weeks, and then some others will flower up to (6) weeks before returning to vegging mode. And as a side note, even autos must live by those same rules, as the photoperiod pot plants internal flowering clock still exists in every auto flowering plants genetic makeup!

 

[hellmutt bones]

Light is the biggest factor also autos are best if you give them light trim and then let them just grow. And if you gonna do ledz you better spend some good money for them. Hps is best on a budget. Oh and did I mention that it's your lights.

 

[Budzbuddha]

IMO flowering starts after stretch. That’s when ANY transitional changes have stopped and buds are formed and blooming.

 

[Lucky Luke]

IMO flowering starts after stretch. That’s when ANY transitional changes have stopped and buds are formed and blooming.

agreed. But is that when you or breeders count from?

 

[DaFreak]

100% clones finish faster than plants from seed.

 

[DaFreak]

Wrong. Nearly every human starts the count from the 12/12 flip. day 1 of 12/12 is the first day of bloom, just because it might take you a week to notice the bud formations starting doesn't mean it didn't start happening prior.

Agreed, when I’m growing a new strain and it’s finished I count backwards to 12/12 to know how many days it took.

 

[Thundercat]

Wrong. Nearly every human starts the count from the 12/12 flip. day 1 of 12/12 is the first day of bloom, just because it might take you a week to notice the bud formations starting doesn't mean it didn't start happening prior.

Look guys I don't care when you count from, do some research its not an instant thing. It takes time for the flowering hormones to build up to a certain point BEFORE the plant will start to form flowers. It can take WAAAY more then a week for a plant to start flower formation.

A photoperiod pot plants internal flowering clock is the only thing that determines when it will switch from from vegging mode to flowering mode. And it only takes (2) consecutive light on periods below that plants internal flowering clock to switch that plant into flowering mode. And even if you were to increase the light on periods above that plants internal flowering clock after those (2) consecutive light on periods below that plants internal flowering clock most photoperiod pot plants will continue to flower for (2) to (3) more weeks, and then some others will flower up to (6) weeks before returning to vegging mode. And as a side note, even autos must live by those same rules, as the photoperiod pot plants internal flowering clock still exists in every auto flowering plants genetic makeup!

First, there is multiple factors that will determine how long the transition from veg to flower takes. Photoperiod is just a trigger, genetic maturity(the plants genetic time clock) is a MAJOR factor. Your environment is another major factor.

100% clones finish faster than plants from seed.

Its in your head. Clones are just genetically mature which young seed plants aren't always. If you flower out a properly rooted healthy clone next to the mature seed mother plant it came from then they will both take the same amount of time to flower. If you actually count from flower formation that is, since that is the time period it takes the plant to flower. During that transition period the plant is still doing heavy vegatative growth, and its best to treat it that way.

 

[DaFreak]

Thunder now I know where to come if I need somebody to act like they know shit that is common knowledge. You are a wanker for talking to people like you know something they don’t. I’ve been growing for over 20 years and you haven’t said anything that myself or over half the people here know. Show some respect. Above you agreed with me, clones are faster because they are mature. 100% agreed with me and you don’t even get it.

Edit:but but when you flower a mother it’s the same time. No shit Sherlock, who’s flowering mothers?

Double edit: they are not genetically mature, they are just mature.

 

[ganga gurl420]

Imo it doesnt matter when you flip especially when growing from seed. Counting only gives you a reference of where you are in the scheme of things. From seed there can be many phenos that will harvest at different times from the same genetics. Clones is a different matter obviously.
Point being is just harvest the plant when its mature and ready and not before. Breeders just put the weeks down as a reference not as a guarantee.
If you want bigger yields it comes down to a few things

Genetics
Light
Size of pots
What kind of pots (plastic vs fabric)
Grow medium
Nutrients
Ph (so you don't have nute lock outs)
Veg time
Environment
Training

It can take yrs of trial and error for someone to tweak the way one grows for best over all results and even at that... one should always be reading and learning to get better. Its trial and error.

 

[Thundercat]

Thunder now I know where to come if I need somebody to act like they know shit that is common knowledge. You are a wanker for talking to people like you know something they don’t. I’ve been growing for over 20 years and you haven’t said anything that myself or over half the people here know. Show some respect. Above you agreed with me, clones are faster because they are mature. 100% agreed with me and you don’t even get it.

Edit:but but when you flower a mother it’s the same time. No shit Sherlock, who’s flowering mothers?

Double edit: they are not genetically mature, they are just mature.

Sorry you feel that way man, I'm not here to change how you grow. I'm here to help less experienced people understand plants better. I definitely know that many experienced growers know when to harvest and have plant knowledge. So if the post I made to the OP who is inexperienced seemed obvious to you, just ignore it. No need to get rude.

 

[Dividedsky]

Um don't grow autos indoors. Not a fan of autos but I guess they do have their place for outdoor growing in harsher conditions say like new england.

 

[xtsho]

When I put plants into flower I don't even write down the date. Half the time I don't remember how long the plants have been in flower. It really doesn't matter to me because I harvest them when they're done. Cannabis is like any other plant and many factors will effect it's growth and harvest time. You can grow the same strain three times in a row and each grow can have a longer or shorter time until ready to harvest.

Whether the breeder counts from flip or when flowers start forming is irrelevant with regards to the stated flowering times. If the breeder counts from when flowers start forming and says 8 weeks someone growing that same strain and counting from the same point could very well have plants that take ten or eleven weeks before they are ready. Then there is another factor. At what stage of ripeness does the breeder consider it done? Maybe they harvest at mostly cloudy while others prefer 30% amber. There are too many variables that it's impossible to go by breeders stated times.

 

[shackleferd]

Um don't grow autos indoors. Not a fan of autos but I guess they do have their place for outdoor growing in harsher conditions say like new england.

IMO autos are perfect for indoor grows, short stocky plants. Seed to harvest in no time at all and by the time pest settle in its harvest time. If i want to grow another plant i just stick it in their with the rest, no need to worry about veg or flower periods. Both autos and photos have pros and cons.

 

[DaFreak]

Sorry you feel that way man, I'm not here to change how you grow. I'm here to help less experienced people understand plants better. I definitely know that many experienced growers know when to harvest and have plant knowledge. So if the post I made to the OP who is inexperienced seemed obvious to you, just ignore it. No need to get rude.

Just tell me though, are you genetically mature? For Christ’s sake

 

[Dividedsky]

IMO autos are perfect for indoor grows, short stocky plants. Seed to harvest in no time at all and by the time pest settle in its harvest time. If i want to grow another plant i just stick it in their with the rest, no need to worry about veg or flower periods. Both autos and photos have pros and cons.

Autos are not a choice if you running a serious/professional indoor grow. I have mother plants with desirable phenos that took time to find. Its so much easier to clone and know you're going to be getting absolute fire plant everytime. I just couldn't imagine constantly popping auto seeds not knowing for sure what phenos you're going to get. Doing a legit indoor grow with all autos just doesn't seem like a sensible way to grow. Plus I use a aerocloner and one they throw roots they go straight into dirt(only takes about a week) It literally has knocked almost 2 weeks off entire grow cycle.

 

[xtsho]

IMO autos are perfect for indoor grows, short stocky plants. Seed to harvest in no time at all and by the time pest settle in its harvest time. If i want to grow another plant i just stick it in their with the rest, no need to worry about veg or flower periods. Both autos and photos have pros and cons.

It depends on your setup. If you have separate veg and flower tents it makes absolutely no sense to grow auto's. If you only have one tent/location to grow then yeah maybe. I'd still grow photo's myself. There are much better genetics available for photo's and the yields are usually significantly higher.

If you have only one tent/room and want to do a perpetual grow then auto's might be the way to go. Auto's are best for people growing outdoors with short seasons to grow. And even then they need to make sure they get a fast flowering auto. It seems that there are auto's that don't finish any faster than photo's and some don't even auto. But that's what happens when you get every pollen chucker on the planet selling seeds. Who knows what you're getting these days.

 

[Dupa]

Just wanted to get some opinions on my only 2 grows because although the flower I have grown has been incredible; the taste,smell and smoke are perfect. My yields seem to be fairly low and I am trying to figure out what I can fix.

1st
Native Seeds - Critical Mass
350w Viparspectra LED
Advanced Nutrients ph perfect micro,grow,bloom
5 gal pots soil
10 week veg, 10 week flower
Topped once and LST
2 plants = 60g

2nd
Dinafem - White Cheese Auto
Outdoor
Compost tea once per week
3 gal pots ffof soil
75 days
LST
3 plants = 50g

I suspect my poorly powered light as the culprit for the first grow because everything else was dialed in perfectly.
For the second grow I suspect the pot size ( 3gal ) and the fact that they were autos.

What do you think? How can I increase my yeilds.

Cppl autos I have going rite now under the hlg 550v2 first grow with led

 

[JayBio420]

Just tell me though, are you genetically mature? For Christ’s sake

I think the miscommunication was the time it takes from clone or seed to flowering harvest VS the time it takes from start of flowering with a mature plant. But the third thing he mentioned is that due to several competing factors, preflower period can vary and thus, a more accurate counting regimen is had by counting after they have stopped stretching. I’ve taken data from many clones of my same Tangie, and had preflowering times change by 20-40% based on the size of the plant, it’s health, it’s proximity to the light and other environment stuff.

To be honest, I use a ballpark figure of 8-10 weeks and watch the plant for full mass and then ripeness. The counting thing is too inaccurate.

Thunder isn’t trying to come off as arrogant, I think you may be misreading him. He knows his stuff and is being helpful. You sound like you know your stuff too. Let’s keep this dialogue respectful.