Bernie Sanders 2020

Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Analyzed by the same proven political establishment hack, Chris Cillizza

You can only cite establishment hacks to try to prove your establishment hack narrative. They've been wrong the entire time, which is why you will continue to be wrong, and why Sanders is going to win
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When given the chance to provide facts about the costs of his programs and how to pay for them, the direct statement from Sanders was accurately given. He clearly says he doesn't know how much his programs will cost. He says taxes will go up. This is a verifiable fact. We can quibble about whether or not the net cost to everybody is more or less after taxes. Most voters will stop caring after they hear the words "taxes will go up".

Bernie Sander's healthcare plan and all his other vague but expensive promises are why I think he will be a loser in the fall. A better way to make sure everybody is covered is offer Medicare as an option among other private plans and subsidize healthcare for those who can't afford it through the ACA. Then go back and make sure Medicare delivers great care to those who have it at competitive or lower cost compared to private plans. Do that for a few years and private plans will become a minor if not extinct part of the healthcare market.

It's not as if I don't like Sanders. I do"like" him. I'd be one of those people you cite who say they like Sanders. I just don't want him spouting that "I don't know" nonsense in the fall when the really important poll is taken.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Fogdog said:
When given the chance to provide facts about the costs of his programs and how to pay for them, the direct statement from Sanders was accurately given. He clearly says he doesn't know how much his programs will cost. He says taxes will go up. This is a verifiable fact. We can quibble about whether or not the net cost to everybody is more or less after taxes. Most voters will stop caring after they hear the words "taxes will go up".

Bernie Sander's healthcare plan and all his other vague but expensive promises are why I think he will be a loser in the fall. A better way to make sure everybody is covered is offer Medicare as an option among other private plans and subsidize healthcare for those who can't afford it through the ACA. Then go back and make sure Medicare delivers great care to those who have it at competitive or lower cost compared to private plans. Do that for a few years and private plans will become a minor if not extinct part of the healthcare market.

It's not as if I don't like Sanders. I do"like" him. I'd be one of those people you cite who say they like Sanders. I just don't want him spouting that "I don't know" nonsense in the fall when the really important poll is taken.
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The president may propose, but the congress will dispose, the vaguer the promise the the easier it is for congress to fashion something America will swallow, the Devil is in the details and this is a Devil of a problem.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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DIY-HP-LED said:
The president may propose, but the congress will dispose, the vaguer the promise the the easier it is for congress to fashion something America will swallow, the Devil is in the details and this is a Devil of a problem.
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Yes, Bernie would be better than Trump.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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UncleBuck said:
hard to believe it is some other rob roy at a rural nh address where there is an unapproved structure without plumbing or electricity

I guess it’s possible but its unlikely
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I coulda swore Rob was from further south, hill country, Appalachia, running around the mountains in his monkey suit dodging the bullets of Hillbillies like himself. They hunt in NH too, so there's some hope I suppose someone will do the varmint.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Black is back but he's avoiding politics so that he doesn't have a fucking stroke.
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