Bernie Sanders 2020

DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Looks like the gloves are off for Bernie now, we'll see if the old fart can fight! If Liz goes after Bloomberg and not Bernie tonight, she's looking for the VP slot, she's got an opening with Mikey's latest mouth dropping..
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'Panic', ex-Obama official sounds the alarm on Bernie Sanders

Former Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel tells CNN's Christiane Amanpour that "panic would be the apt adjective" to describe the current mood in the democratic process.
 
abandonconflict

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rkymtnman said:
Survey says: No answer is a wrong answer.

In an interview with “60 Minutes,” Sen. Bernie Sanders didn’t want to get into any details when pressed about the price tag for his ambitious agenda. He said his Medicare-for-All plan would cost about $30 trillion over 10 years, which would, he argues, cost “substantially less than letting the current system go.” Asked about a total price tag for his entire agenda — which includes free public college, cancellation of all student debt and a Green New Deal to tackle climate change — Sanders said he doesn’t have a total cost figure
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It's been estimated at 97 trillion.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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A couple for the Bernie bashers
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PJ Diaz

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Pretty funny to see these centrist candidates fight each other in the debates to get time to try to fight Bernie, meanwhile every time they name check Bernie it just gives him more time on the debate stage.
 
hanimmal

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PJ Diaz said:
Pretty funny to see these centrist candidates fight each other in the debates to get time to try to fight Bernie, meanwhile every time they name check Bernie it just gives him more time on the debate stage.
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He is getting some serious life support on stage tonight. And is saying nothing. Warren incoming again with the shock paddles to save him after Bloomberg destroys him. It is very weird to watch her.
 
DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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hanimmal said:
He is getting some serious life support on stage tonight. And is saying nothing. Warren incoming again with the shock paddles to save him after Bloomberg destroys him. It is very weird to watch her.
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She might be gunning for the VP slot and she's close to Bernie on policy, a natural pair.
 
smokin away

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Fogdog said:
I'm OK with discussing Bernie's policy positions and fitness for office. What is happening, though is Bernie-bots turn to personal attacks rather than discuss the campaign. It is consistent with Bernie's propaganda-like appeal to emotion during his speeches.

As I've said many times, I mostly agree with Bernie's policies but feel that Elizabeth Warren is the person who is best fit to realize them. Bernie is just a charismatic but otherwise inept political leader. When Trump's recession hits, we need an able leader to see us through the crisis, not a do-nothing and inept leader like Trump or Bernie.
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I can see your point about being qualified. The two problems with Liz are the facts she doesn't get many votes and the US has never elected a woman for President. I voted for Hillary and I still think that's why Trump got elected. If they would have chose Bernie instead I still think it would have been different. Polls state he is doing well in SC. Florida will show the figures because they have to win Florida. Right now it's very much up in the air.
 
hanimmal

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She is doing it again right after Biden crushed it on the fact that Bernie covered the NRA being not able to be sued.
 
abandonconflict

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smokin away said:
:confused:
I can see your point about being qualified. The two problems with Liz are the facts she doesn't get many votes and the US has never elected a woman for President. I voted for Hillary and I still think that's why Trump got elected. If they would have chose Bernie instead I still think it would have been different. Polls state he is doing well in SC. Florida will show the figures because they have to win Florida. Right now it's very much up in the air.
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So, "Bernie woulda won..."

I really think huge tax hikes are a losing platform and a Bernie nomination will result in 4 more years of Trump.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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Could this pair be the Trump slayers? I wonder if there's any symbolism in the pitchfork as far as Wall St is concerned?

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Fogdog

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smokin away said:
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I can see your point about being qualified. The two problems with Liz are the facts she doesn't get many votes and the US has never elected a woman for President. I voted for Hillary and I still think that's why Trump got elected. If they would have chose Bernie instead I still think it would have been different. Polls state he is doing well in SC. Florida will show the figures because they have to win Florida. Right now it's very much up in the air.
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We are talking about the soft side of politics so it's possible for us to see the same things and draw different conclusions. If were were talking about hard facts then maybe there is less room for disagreement. What makes one politician appealing might turn off somebody else. Hillary is a good example of that.

Warren is a wonk who works on details and process. She's also not very well known and less than charismatic when speaking. Based on the strength of her work ethic and attention to details, understanding process and so forth, I think she'd make a great president. That doesn't translate to getting a lot of votes from people who aren't paying much attention. Warren has to work harder at the public side of the politicians job. She doesn't project the warmth that Obama did, for example.

There should be no doubt that Sanders is a great charismatic personality. He's also clueless about the details needed to realize his policies. He's also poor at delegating and poor at working well with others. I think he'd make a terrible president.

Your point about Hillary losing in part because she was a woman. That, to me is an excuse, not a reason. Some say she got votes because she was a woman. She was another wonk with the personality of cold oatmeal. Her advantage came from being in the spotlight for 20 years. She has the kind of personality that takes a long time to warm up to and those 20 years were needed. A lot of people took a disliking to her and she never won them over.

Let's not forget these people run against others. Trump is another charismatic personality and some people are fanatically attached to him. Terrible president, btw.
 
hanimmal

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Fogdog said:
We are talking about the soft side of politics so it's possible for us to see the same things and draw different conclusions. If were were talking about hard facts then maybe there is less room for disagreement. What makes one politician appealing might turn off somebody else. Hillary is a good example of that.

Warren is a wonk who works on details and process. She's also not very well known and less than charismatic when speaking. Based on the strength of her work ethic and attention to details, understanding process and so forth, I think she'd make a great president. That doesn't translate to getting a lot of votes from people who aren't paying much attention. Warren has to work harder at the public side of the politicians job. She doesn't project the warmth that Obama did, for example.

There should be no doubt that Sanders is a great charismatic personality. He's also clueless about the details needed to realize his policies. He's also poor at delegating and poor at working well with others. I think he'd make a terrible president.

Your point about Hillary losing in part because she was a woman. That, to me is an excuse, not a reason. Some say she got votes because she was a woman. She was another wonk with the personality of cold oatmeal. Her advantage came from being in the spotlight for 20 years. She has the kind of personality that takes a long time to warm up to and those 20 years were needed. A lot of people took a disliking to her and she never won them over.

Let's not forget these people run against others. Trump is another charismatic personality and some people are fanatically attached to him. Terrible president, btw.
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I am just floored at how much Warren is covering for Sanders. It gets my need to make a tin foil hat itch.
 
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