Bernie Sanders 2020

[dandyrandy]

Trump lashes out at Fox News for new poll showing him losing to all the Democratic candidates

The president didn’t appreciate the reality check.

www.vox.com

 

[dandyrandy]

Seen in Schuylaar"a travels:

Dude 50s delivering food in his brand new Tesla..MAGA Oligarchy Winning such!

I was totally gonna say something but I don't want him to go home and hang himself..

I see people my age working. I don't know if they are needy greedy or bored. Maybe it makes his payments. No idea.

 

[srh88]

I see people my age working. I don't know if they are needy greedy or bored. Maybe it makes his payments. No idea.

Where I work we got a lot of older people working just to have something to do. They arent doing anything crazy like running machines but they do quality control. Endless easy work for them to get a paycheck and not be bored. They got flexible schedules too. Come in whenever mon through saturday 24 hours and clock in.. check some parts and roll. Sweet gig if you're just wanting something to do.

 

[dandyrandy]

Where I work we got a lot of older people working just to have something to do. They arent doing anything crazy like running machines but they do quality control. Endless easy work for them to get a paycheck and not be bored. They got flexible schedules too. Come in whenever mon through saturday 24 hours and clock in.. check some parts and roll. Sweet gig if you're just wanting something to do.

I wouldn't mind that. Machine shop?

 

[srh88]

I wouldn't mind that. Machine shop?

Yup. Factory work. Acme, cnc's, hydromats. So the parts are pretty consistent when tooled right. Its cake work for our QC people.

I'd love to be back in plumbing but the moneys not good enough to fight to start a business here. Pay at factory is decent and my health insurance is the best I ever had even when I had private. Profit sharing, 401k. All the overtime I can ask for and I work nights for a shift premium. Not a terrie gig

 

[Padawanbater2]

 

[dandyrandy]

Yup. Factory work. Acme, cnc's, hydromats. So the parts are pretty consistent when tooled right. Its cake work for our QC people.

I'd love to be back in plumbing but the moneys not good enough to fight to start a business here. Pay at factory is decent and my health insurance is the best I ever had even when I had private. Profit sharing, 401k. All the overtime I can ask for and I work nights for a shift premium. Not a terrie gig

Acme gridley or acme screw machines. I used to work on fanuc controls, milacron, Allen Bradley etc. The newest ones were fanuc 31i. We made jet engine parts. Mostly large machines. 60" table vtls and up. Some 10'. Snk machining centers. I do miss some of the interesting problems. About 10 years ago we had a gray vtl with a ge 550 control. Not CNC but an nc. Hardwired backplane with ttl logic. About once a month while taking a cut across the top it would feed rapidly across the part. The finish looked like a phonograph record. A month of rerunning the scrap part over and over did we finally figure it out. One of the strangest I've seen. We had 18,000 production people once. Another 10k in management and engineering. In one place. Lots of operators were laid off due to technology. Some outsourcing to other countries. Large parts is still their. Around 5000 people total now. Not many companies want the parts left at the plant now. Minimum cost on a part if you scrap it is $100k and up. Some parts with a small deviation can be metal sprayed etc. But it's costly.

 

[srh88]

Acme gridley or acme screw machines. I used to work on fanuc controls, milacron, Allen Bradley etc. The newest ones were fanuc 31i. We made jet engine parts. Mostly large machines. 60" table vtls and up. Some 10'. Snk machining centers. I do miss some of the interesting problems. About 10 years ago we had a gray vtl with a ge 550 control. Not CNC but an nc. Hardwired backplane with ttl logic. About once a month while taking a cut across the top it would feed rapidly across the part. The finish looked like a phonograph record. A month of rerunning the part scrap part over and over did we finally figure it out. One of the strangest I've seen. We had 18,000 production people once. Another 10k in management and engineering. In one place. Lots of operators were laid off due to technology. Some outsourcing to other countries. Large parts is still their. Around 5000 people total now. Not many companies want the parts left at the plant now. Minimum cost on a part if you scrap is is $100k and up. Some parts with a small deviation can be metal sprayed etc. But it's costly.

Old pictures from when I started .. new machine was like christmas. The acme's are gridley. I use mostly tsugami and a newer buffoli transfer

Also the acme's are a multi spindle screw

 

[srh88]

Acme gridley or acme screw machines. I used to work on fanuc controls, milacron, Allen Bradley etc. The newest ones were fanuc 31i. We made jet engine parts. Mostly large machines. 60" table vtls and up. Some 10'. Snk machining centers. I do miss some of the interesting problems. About 10 years ago we had a gray vtl with a ge 550 control. Not CNC but an nc. Hardwired backplane with ttl logic. About once a month while taking a cut across the top it would feed rapidly across the part. The finish looked like a phonograph record. A month of rerunning the scrap part over and over did we finally figure it out. One of the strangest I've seen. We had 18,000 production people once. Another 10k in management and engineering. In one place. Lots of operators were laid off due to technology. Some outsourcing to other countries. Large parts is still their. Around 5000 people total now. Not many companies want the parts left at the plant now. Minimum cost on a part if you scrap it is $100k and up. Some parts with a small deviation can be metal sprayed etc. But it's costly.

We heard most of our scrap then it really comes into play during profit sharing. Here's a giant fuck up on some aluminum blocks

2 full bins of blocks. Operator fucked up big time in the programming.
Also I dont work for shupan.. that's just where our scrap ends up. Just had to put that out there

 

[abandonconflict]

Jesus..there are plenty here and I avoid them like the plague- I mean Coronavirus.

There goes that correlation again...

 

[blu3bird]

Acme gridley or acme screw machines. I used to work on fanuc controls, milacron, Allen Bradley etc. The newest ones were fanuc 31i. We made jet engine parts. Mostly large machines. 60" table vtls and up. Some 10'. Snk machining centers. I do miss some of the interesting problems. About 10 years ago we had a gray vtl with a ge 550 control. Not CNC but an nc. Hardwired backplane with ttl logic. About once a month while taking a cut across the top it would feed rapidly across the part. The finish looked like a phonograph record. A month of rerunning the scrap part over and over did we finally figure it out. One of the strangest I've seen. We had 18,000 production people once. Another 10k in management and engineering. In one place. Lots of operators were laid off due to technology. Some outsourcing to other countries. Large parts is still their. Around 5000 people total now. Not many companies want the parts left at the plant now. Minimum cost on a part if you scrap it is $100k and up. Some parts with a small deviation can be metal sprayed etc. But it's costly.

I was just at Fanuc's newer building last week in Auburn Hills, MI. That place is something else, it's around 455,000 sq feet, there's room there for 5000+ robots.

One of the managers invited me inside to the break room to get a coffee, their break room is bigger than my entire shop where I work lol. I felt like a midget standing out in the warehouse, that place is huge.

Also, the coffee was fantastic, they hook up the employees with free coffee all day. It was a big machine with 3-4 different kind of beans and it automatically grinds up a fresh cup worth when you make your selection, I got some Detroit City Grind dark roast (I think that's what it was, can't remember for certain).

When I was just there inside, that was the first time I've seen other robots besides the yellow ones. There was a couple blue and green robots. That manager was telling me the blue robots stop moving when you get within 4 feet of it

You could check it out on Google maps satellite view if you want -
1100 West Entrance Dr
Auburn Hills, MI

 

[zeddd]

I don’t understand the tech speak ^ but you can’t beat watching a block of titanium being machined with a good stone on. I work with clients all day so it’s a nice contrast occasionally.

 

[blu3bird]

I don’t understand the tech speak ^ but you can’t beat watching a block of titanium being machined with a good stone on. I work with clients all day so it’s a nice contrast occasionally.

Fanuc is a make of robot, made in Japan and shipped to Detroit for programming and assembly.

I'm just one of the neanderthal truck drivers that picks them up to be shipped all over anywhere in the states

 

[dandyrandy]

I was just at Fanuc's newer building last week in Auburn Hills, MI. That place is something else, it's around 455,000 sq feet, there's room there for 5000+ robots.

One of the managers invited me inside to the break room to get a coffee, their break room is bigger than my entire shop where I work lol. I felt like a midget standing out in the warehouse, that place is huge.

Also, the coffee was fantastic, they hook up the employees with free coffee all day. It was a big machine with 3-4 different kind of beans and it automatically grinds up a fresh cup worth when you make your selection, I got some Detroit City Grind dark roast (I think that's what it was, can't remember for certain).

When I was just there inside, that was the first time I've seen other robots besides the yellow ones. There was a couple blue and green robots. That manager was telling me the blue robots stop moving when you get within 4 feet of it

You could check it out on Google maps satellite view if you want -
1100 West Entrance Dr
Auburn Hills, MI

Robots suck. I saw 1000's laid off due to automation. I've been to the mazak plant and others. Used to be operators would measure parts. Not now. No tool offset changes. All automatic with tool measuring as well as diameter etc. Laser tool gage. When I retired a few years ago 1 operator to 6 machines. When I started in the late 70's all gaging done by hand. Slow. We still had machines that had vacuum tubes from the fifties. All owned by the military.

 

[dandyrandy]

I don’t understand the tech speak ^ but you can’t beat watching a block of titanium being machined with a good stone on. I work with clients all day so it’s a nice contrast occasionally.

I used to smoke at work. My buddy and I drove a golf cart to jobs. We went out to lunch one day to Wendy's. We made the necessary loop on the road to burn one. After talking to the magic speaker we pulled up to the pay window. My buddy rolled the window down and the lady said smells like you guys are having fun.

 

[dandyrandy]

We heard most of our scrap then it really comes into play during profit sharing. Here's a giant fuck up on some aluminum blocks
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2 full bins of blocks. Operator fucked up big time in the programming.
Also I dont work for shupan.. that's just where our scrap ends up. Just had to put that out there

Many years ago I worked for opw. They paid incentive. But if you scrap it no bonus. No matter if programming or operator tooling etc. Also if it could be reworked and saved the scrap originator had to do the rework. Automation killed labor at that place. I saw a trunion machine replace 2 shifts a dozen each shift.

 

[dandyrandy]

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Old pictures from when I started .. new machine was like christmas. The acme's are gridley. I use mostly tsugami and a newer buffoli transfer

Also the acme's are a multi spindle screw

I'll shut up now. Sorry for hijacking the thread. We had some old acme gridley six spindles at opw. Mid 70's. 6" max pipe. Big noisy POS. Worked well though. We had okumas, burgmaster, milacron Warner swasey, etc. Good times. Bank that money! We will be replaced.

 

[smokin away]

8 million taxpayers live and work abroad. Besides, we're not just talking about any little tax hikes. We're talking about a 2.6 trillion dollar deficit at the least and that with taxing the wealthy to an extreme. The type of taxes to produce that sort of federal revenue would be quite steep indeed.

The fiscal 2019 federal budget:
revenue = 4.4 trillion
expenditures = 3.4 trillion
deficit = 1 trillion

Bernie's healthcare bill would cost 3 trillion annually. The taxes on the rich which are included in the bill only cover 1.6 trillion in revenue. The deficit is already higher now than it was in fiscal 2019, it's 1.2 trillion now. The bill also gives doctors a pay cut and eliminates 700k - 1 million jobs.

Medicare for all who want it is much more feasible. It would immediately eliminate the problem of uninsured Americans. It would lead to reduced premiums or increased value for private plans because they would have to compete or go extinct. It would be paid for by repealing the Trump tax cuts for the rich. It's a stepping stone toward M4A in such a way that would not shock the economy and topple the government.

When you want something, and you hear it costs more than you have, do you just borrow mom's credit card and buy it anyway?

I'm just wondering if you have been posed with the question "how much is your life worth?" We must end the dual system of medical care which cuddles the rich and discounts treatment to rest of us. Mexico has medical care for all citizens for less than what a Senior on Medicare pays in this country. Bernie has said all citizens can be covered for half what is currently spent on medical care in the US. Changes are going to have to be made. Canadians herald their system as everyone receives the same service regardless of who they are. This can only be achieved through "single payer system". It's not just figures on paper it involves social values.

 

[abandonconflict]

I'm just wondering if you have been posed with the question "how much is your life worth?" We must end the dual system of medical care which cuddles the rich and discounts treatment to rest of us. Mexico has medical care for all citizens for less than what a Senior on Medicare pays in this country. Bernie has said all citizens can be covered for half what is currently spent on medical care in the US. Changes are going to have to be made. Canadians herald their system as everyone receives the same service regardless of who they are. This can only be achieved through "single payer system". It's not just figures on paper it involves social values.

I have private insurance. It's pretty cheap because I'm extremely healthy and I maintain my own health with proper hygiene, an excellent diet, vices in moderation or not at all and an active lifestyle. My job is physically demanding and I just don't want the huge tax hikes for Medicare that I don't need or want. I will definitely not be voting for Bernie in the primary, and I'm hoping he goes ahead and dies sooner rather than soon.

I'm sure there's 30 trillion dollars and a senate supermajority lying around somewhere...

 

[hanimmal]

I'm just wondering if you have been posed with the question "how much is your life worth?" We must end the dual system of medical care which cuddles the rich and discounts treatment to rest of us. Mexico has medical care for all citizens for less than what a Senior on Medicare pays in this country. Bernie has said all citizens can be covered for half what is currently spent on medical care in the US. Changes are going to have to be made. Canadians herald their system as everyone receives the same service regardless of who they are. This can only be achieved through "single payer system". It's not just figures on paper it involves social values.