Lockdowns don't work.

doublejj

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This quack says lockdowns work.....


Anthony Fauci
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Personal details
Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
Anthony Fauci
Anthony Fauci.jpg
Fauci in 2018
Incumbent
Assumed office
November 2, 1984
DeputyHugh Auchincloss
Preceded byRichard M. Krause
BornAnthony Stephen Fauci
December 24, 1940 (age 79)
New York City, U.S.
Spouse(s)Christine Grady (m. 1985)
Children3
EducationCollege of the Holy Cross (BA)
Cornell University (MD)
AwardsMaxwell Finland Award (1989)
Ernst Jung Prize (1995)
Lasker Award (2007)
Medal of Freedom (2008)
Robert Koch Prize (Gold, 2013)
Scientific career
FieldsImmunology
InstitutionsNational Institutes of Health, National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases
Anthony Stephen Fauci ( /ˈfaʊtʃi/; born December 24, 1940) is an American physician and immunologist who has served as the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) since 1984.
Fauci is widely recognized as one of the world's leading experts on infectious diseases.[1][2] As a physician with the National Institutes of Health (NIH), Fauci has served American public health in various capacities for over 50 years, and has been an advisor to every U.S. president since Ronald Reagan.
Fauci has been a visiting professor at many medical centers, and has received 30 honorary doctorates from universities in the US and abroad.[29]

lets see your resume Abandon....
 

Fogdog

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Dumb asses in charge: "Hey guys, let's kill the economy to flatten the curve"
rest of the dumb asses: "OK, sounds better than lots of deaths"

*economy killed
*lots of deaths
*curve not flat
I don't understand why you say the curve isn't affected by lockdowns. Of course curves aren't flat. They are curves. Lockdowns aren't making curves flat, they flatten the curve compared to no interventions. In some of the worst hit areas the curve in deaths per day is decreasing.

So, agree the curve is not flat. Agree there are lots of deaths. Disagree that lockdowns don't work. What are you seeing that I don't in the following graphic?

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The curve for the US is flattening. We had a bad few days before it did and we have a ways to go before we can let up on lockdowns in the hot spots but the logic behind locking down is solid and the results are showing up. Perhaps I'm missing something, so do tell.
 
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doublejj

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When can we travel again? Experts share their predictions
The optimists lean toward summer. Others think it will be longer.
 

zeddd

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That's not talked about much, is it? I heard one medical expert say that -- once -- earlier on and since then, nada. The whole process of developing a vaccine, as I understand it, needs to be developed and not just "make a vaccine". Mice for testing, cultivating the virus, understanding side-effects and risks, screening methods and procedures and so on aren't the same as the process of influenza vaccines. So, yes, a year is ridiculously short and Trump idiotically insists that it's just a few months. As a result, people in charge tell him and everybody else "a year or year and a half" because that's the minimum time if we got lucky at the start to identify a vaccine, all tests go swimmingly well and making billions of doses of the vaccine is not difficult. Because the baby in chief can't accept anything else.

One person was quoted as saying yesterday, this virus will be "stalking humanity" for some time and requires invention rather than using a known technology. The schedule is event driven and not based on time. It could take a year and a half (not likely) or it take decades (also not likely).
There isn’t a vax for any Coronavirus; Sars1, Mers, common cold. They are rna viruses so the vaccine has to trigger antibodies which also sometimes cause “disease enhancement “ which is a real concern with these diseases, and sometimes they react with the lungs or kidneys. The trials didn’t even get through the “valley of death” animal stages this is why they have no effective vaccine yet.
 

rkymtnman

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I'm not trying to kill an argument. I'm trying to understand. I think that everybody has seen those graphics including AC. I'm interested in learning how we can each look at those graphics but draw different conclusions about the effectiveness of lockdowns.
and not trying to speak for abandon, but it seemed like his point was based on his belief that if the lockdown worked, that the curve would already be flat because of the time the virus is active was only 8 days.

edit: hell, i'm not sure what he was saying. my argument was that since we didn't have tests, we werent' following up on the contacts made by an infected person, what else could we do but lockdowns? doing nothing would be far worse IMO.
 

zeddd

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Do you What kind of aerosol they use? Jeez that carry’s far. I was wondering about the winds . I think people should be told to stop talking when they pass someone else , even it it’s 6 feet away. They think 6 feet without a mask is ok.
I think 6 feet in still air lab conditions sounds right, but if the breeze carries the micro-droplets it’s conceivable that there may be an increase range of contagiousness downwind.
 

PJ Diaz

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I think 6 feet in still air lab conditions sounds right, but if the breeze carries the micro-droplets it’s conceivable that there may be an increase range of contagiousness downwind.
 

Budley Doright

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but the countries most successful at flattenning the curve didn't implement lockdowns...


You want proof that there's no proof that lockdowns work. You're stoned.
And there is no proof it doesn’t .....Have another look at Sweden as of today. Their curve should be flat according to this thread. The quick response to lockdown travel was IMO the key. Keeping numbers low enough to track and isolate seems to be the one main factor ...... it’s still pretty early to prove what was/is successful. Seems your offering a good “hypothesis” though ;).
 
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