doublejj
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they should stay home and flatten the curve...
Lockdowns don't work.
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abandonconflict
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No it won't. UK just rolled out a plan to get millions of 15 minute home tests into people hands in the next few days and they did it for pretty cheap.
doublejj
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cool story....
abandonconflict
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FDA grants emergency approval for 15-minute coronavirus test
The test can deliver "results in as little as five minutes and negative results in 13 minutes," its developer, Abbott, said in a statement.
The guy who invented it says his company can produce 50k in the next week. We get a bunch of companies in on this like UK is doing and we'd have millions in days. It would easily be effective enough to trace spreads and send people for more comprehensive diagnoses. It would work.
Johnny Lawrence
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You argue like a child.
doublejj
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i believe in science...and the DR's all say lockdowns save lives....who's childish?
Johnny Lawrence
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cool story
doublejj
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I think I may have caught it back in Dec before it was supposed to be here. I was making several visits a week to asian markets to anonymously buy money orders. The stores were packed and they have tanks selling all sorts of live turtles and frogs and such. I came down with many of the Covid-19 symptoms and so did my wife. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I wear a mask if i must go out but 90% of the time i stay home & stay the hell away from others....
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doublejj
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i do it because it's the right thing to do...
doublejj
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South Dakota's governor resisted ordering people to stay home. Now it has one of the nation's largest coronavirus hot spots.
As governors across the country fell into line in recent weeks, South Dakota's top elected leader stood firm: There would be no statewide order to stay home.
Such edicts to combat the spread of the novel coronavirus, Gov. Kristi Noem argued disparagingly, reflected a "herd mentality." It was up to individuals - not government - to decide whether "to exercise their right to work, to worship and to play. Or to even stay at home."
But now South Dakota is home to one of the largest single coronavirus clusters anywhere in the United States,
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As governors across the country fell into line in recent weeks, South Dakota's top elected leader stood firm: There would be no statewide order to stay home.
Such edicts to combat the spread of the novel coronavirus, Gov. Kristi Noem argued disparagingly, reflected a "herd mentality." It was up to individuals - not government - to decide whether "to exercise their right to work, to worship and to play. Or to even stay at home."
But now South Dakota is home to one of the largest single coronavirus clusters anywhere in the United States,
South Dakota's governor resisted ordering people to stay home. Now it has one of the nation's largest coronavirus hot spots.
As governors across the country fell into line in recent weeks, South Dakota's top...
abandonconflict
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Sounds like the spread isn't much different from the places with strict lockdowns. Funny though it happened at a Smithfield (wholly owned by a member of the Chinese Communist Party) pork processing plant.South Dakota's governor resisted ordering people to stay home. Now it has one of the nation's largest coronavirus hot spots.
As governors across the country fell into line in recent weeks, South Dakota's top elected leader stood firm: There would be no statewide order to stay home.
Such edicts to combat the spread of the novel coronavirus, Gov. Kristi Noem argued disparagingly, reflected a "herd mentality." It was up to individuals - not government - to decide whether "to exercise their right to work, to worship and to play. Or to even stay at home."
But now South Dakota is home to one of the largest single coronavirus clusters anywhere in the United States,
South Dakota's governor resisted ordering people to stay home. Now it has one of the nation's largest coronavirus hot spots.
As governors across the country fell into line in recent weeks, South Dakota's top...
So are you saying lockdowns don't flatten the curve to allow governments to treat patients within the health system's capacity level? Seems pretty reasonable to assume that they are effective at slowing the rate of spread. Also seems to be working up here in BC, and things should be start easing up in a month or two. If anti body therapy is effective that would give healthcare institutions the upper hand and perhaps move the dotted line up a bit. Regardless, social distancing seems to be very effective, as does shuting down non essential services I.e. gyms, salons, public gatherings, events etc.
abandonconflict
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Except in the countries with the most effective systems. Those doctors and scientists say that testing and contact tracing are so effective that lockdowns aren't necessary to flatten the curve. Also, the regions with the strictest lockdowns in the world, NYC and Rome, have the fastest case growth rates.
It seems now that many of the experts want to try testing and contact tracing as a way to open up the economy.
The Technology That Could Free America From Quarantine
Contact tracing is working in South Korea and Singapore. But it raises privacy issues.
Or, you know, lockdowns until there's a vaccine and no republic at all while the virus has continued to spread at alarming rates anyway.
tangerinegreen555
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There's enough doomsday bullshit going on lately.
The republic will survive, not everybody will die, and we're going to follow the educated advice of people like Fauci for a couple months.
The whole fucking point was not to overload the hospitals and have to pick who lives and who waits in the hallway, and it sure as fuck looks like it's working to most of us.
You can make statistics say anything, NYC is jammed together like sardines, and low income people have a much harder time isolating without money and supplies and they're the getting hammered the worst.
And the lockdowns in Europe came way too fucking late, people were already dying and hospitals already stressed and cracking.
From what I've seen, every government in earth have fucked this up except for South Korea who jumped on it early. China covered shit up and in this country Trump told people it would just go away and 4 out of 10 believe anything on Fox news.
One American death on March 1st to what today?
Ask yourself this:
If your kids and parents had to be placed somewhere for 3 weeks, where would you want them?
In a location locked down or a place wide open? Where would the safest location for them be? And are you going to worry about money as much as their safety?
abandonconflict
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A larger percentage of South Korea was infected at the height of their outbreak than is now infected in the US.
tangerinegreen555
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And they tested at a higher per capita rate than here so nobody actually knows that.
abandonconflict
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Also:
New York reported 7,468 new cases yesterday, up from the 6,337 reported during the previous 24 hour period. Even if you're dumb enough to still be singing "flatten the curve", that is more than a 16% increase in the rate of spread (logarithmic), which at this point was just a tactic that officials hoped woudl fool the masses. That is astronomical growth. That is more than a 6% increase in the total number of cases in two fucking days, if you're smart enough to switch back to graphing it on a linear metric.
They have been under lockdown since March 12, when there were 368 cases. The thirty something cases recorded on the second day of the lockdown look the same on a logarithmic "flatten the curve" graph as the 7,468 cases recorded since yesterday there.
All the lockdown is doing is flattening the economy. It is not slowing the spread.
New York reported 7,468 new cases yesterday, up from the 6,337 reported during the previous 24 hour period. Even if you're dumb enough to still be singing "flatten the curve", that is more than a 16% increase in the rate of spread (logarithmic), which at this point was just a tactic that officials hoped woudl fool the masses. That is astronomical growth. That is more than a 6% increase in the total number of cases in two fucking days, if you're smart enough to switch back to graphing it on a linear metric.
They have been under lockdown since March 12, when there were 368 cases. The thirty something cases recorded on the second day of the lockdown look the same on a logarithmic "flatten the curve" graph as the 7,468 cases recorded since yesterday there.
All the lockdown is doing is flattening the economy. It is not slowing the spread.
That's also not exactly correct. This study conducted in Germany states that only 6% of cases worldwide are confirmed with the exception of the US and Turkey.
tangerinegreen555
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I am referring to the fact that South Korea tested at a substantially higher per capita rate than the United States and that is exactly correct.
What might not be exactly correct is comparing one country to another or one city to another because it's all apples to oranges, and playing with satistics. They all mishandled it differently. South Korea took it seriously earliest. Italy waited too long. China lied and Trump mishandles virtually everything.
And what about the kids and the parents, where are you going to place them for 3 weeks? A place locked down or a place where it's business as usual?
You don't have to answer, we know how you feel about your family. You're going to pick the safest place like everybody else would.
Budley Doright
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“They have been under lockdown since March 12,”
Wrong! It was the 22nd that the stay home order was given. Do you consider being able to go shopping and ride the subway a total lockdown? Then there is this, isn’t it amazing how things rapidly evolve and hypotheses are changing daily?
Wrong! It was the 22nd that the stay home order was given. Do you consider being able to go shopping and ride the subway a total lockdown? Then there is this, isn’t it amazing how things rapidly evolve and hypotheses are changing daily?
abandonconflict
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No, sorry, it isn't. Hasn't been correct since about 3 weeks ago.
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Testing
Here we show the share of reported tests returning a positive result – known as the positive rate.
ourworldindata.org
It's honestly kind of a dumb question and an appeal to emotion. I'm telling you lockdowns don't work. I showed you numerically how well it worked in NYC which has one of the strictest lockdowns in the world. I presented 4 examples of outbreaks that have been very effectively controlled without such lockdowns. Rome's numbers are quite similar to those of NYC. I'm not placing anyoen anywhere. I'm telling you lockdowns don't work and that your information regarding numbers is just wrong, with solid citations.
I'm not trying to harass you. I am well aware that I am becoming extremely unpopular for stating shit nobody wants to hear. Sorry, not sorry.
Lockdowns don't fucking work. Testing and tracing does.