What has Trump done to this country?
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DIY-HP-LED
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Well Donald didn't do this, but he is in favor of private property rights! This should cause a fire storm in Okie, I mean after they are fucked over by Trump and covid. They are a pretty racist bunch in Okie, this will not go over well at all, half the state is owned by native Americans and I'm sure they will not like their new land lords. Any other state on land with broken treaties?
I wonder if Donald will pick up on it, it's divisive and the issue appeals to bigots...
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Supreme Court Rules That About Half Of Oklahoma Is Native American Land
The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that about half of the land in Oklahoma is within a Native American reservation, a decision that will have major consequences for both past and future criminal and civil cases.
The court's decision hinged on the question of whether the Creek reservation continued to exist after Oklahoma became a state.
"Today we are asked whether the land these treaties promised remains an Indian reservation for purposes of federal criminal law. Because Congress has not said otherwise, we hold the government to its word," Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote in the majority opinion.
The decision was 5-4, with Justices Gorsuch, Sonia Sotomayor, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan and Stephen Breyer in the majority, while Justices John Roberts, Brett Kavanaugh, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas dissented.
The ruling will have significant legal implications for eastern Oklahoma. Much of Tulsa, the state's second-largest city, is located on Muscogee (Creek) land. The Muscogee (Creek) Nation cheered the court's decision.
"The Supreme Court today kept the United States' sacred promise to the Muscogee (Creek) Nation of a protected reservation," the tribe said in a statement. "Today's decision will allow the Nation to honor our ancestors by maintaining our established sovereignty and territorial boundaries."
In a dissenting opinion, Roberts, the chief justice, wrote that the decision "will undermine numerous convictions obtained by the State, as well as the State's ability to prosecute serious crimes committed in the future," and "may destabilize the governance of vast swathes of Oklahoma."
Kevin Washburn is dean of the law school at the University of Iowa, where he teaches a course on federal Indian law — "It's basically 15 weeks of how the law in the United States has failed my people," he said.
He served as assistant secretary of Indian affairs from 2012 to 2016, and he's a citizen of the Chickasaw Nation of Oklahoma. He called the court's ruling "a great decision."
"For Indian people, their land is really important, and treaties are really important. They're sacred. And this reaffirms the sacredness of those promises and those treaties."
"Now and then there's a great case that helps you keep the faith about the rule of law," he said. "And this is one of those."
The ruling has a number of significant consequences for criminal law in the relevant portion of Oklahoma.
The first is that going forward, certain major crimes committed within the boundaries of reservations must be prosecuted in federal court rather than state court, if a Native American is involved. So if a Native American is accused of a major crime in downtown Tulsa, the federal government rather than the state government will prosecute it. Less serious crimes involving Native Americans on American Indian land will be handled in tribal courts. This arrangement is already common in Western states like Arizona, New Mexico and Montana, said Washburn.
Then there's the issue of past decisions — many of them are now considered wrongful convictions because the state lacked jurisdiction. A number of criminal defendants who have been convicted in the past will now have grounds to challenge their convictions, arguing that the state never had jurisdiction to try them.
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I wonder if Donald will pick up on it, it's divisive and the issue appeals to bigots...
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Supreme Court Rules That About Half Of Oklahoma Is Native American Land
"Today we are asked whether the land these treaties promised remains an Indian reservation. ... Because Congress has not said otherwise, we hold the government to its word," wrote Justice Gorsuch.
www.npr.org
Supreme Court Rules That About Half Of Oklahoma Is Native American Land
The Supreme Court ruled Thursday that about half of the land in Oklahoma is within a Native American reservation, a decision that will have major consequences for both past and future criminal and civil cases.
The court's decision hinged on the question of whether the Creek reservation continued to exist after Oklahoma became a state.
"Today we are asked whether the land these treaties promised remains an Indian reservation for purposes of federal criminal law. Because Congress has not said otherwise, we hold the government to its word," Justice Neil Gorsuch wrote in the majority opinion.
The decision was 5-4, with Justices Gorsuch, Sonia Sotomayor, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, Elena Kagan and Stephen Breyer in the majority, while Justices John Roberts, Brett Kavanaugh, Samuel Alito and Clarence Thomas dissented.
The ruling will have significant legal implications for eastern Oklahoma. Much of Tulsa, the state's second-largest city, is located on Muscogee (Creek) land. The Muscogee (Creek) Nation cheered the court's decision.
"The Supreme Court today kept the United States' sacred promise to the Muscogee (Creek) Nation of a protected reservation," the tribe said in a statement. "Today's decision will allow the Nation to honor our ancestors by maintaining our established sovereignty and territorial boundaries."
In a dissenting opinion, Roberts, the chief justice, wrote that the decision "will undermine numerous convictions obtained by the State, as well as the State's ability to prosecute serious crimes committed in the future," and "may destabilize the governance of vast swathes of Oklahoma."
Kevin Washburn is dean of the law school at the University of Iowa, where he teaches a course on federal Indian law — "It's basically 15 weeks of how the law in the United States has failed my people," he said.
He served as assistant secretary of Indian affairs from 2012 to 2016, and he's a citizen of the Chickasaw Nation of Oklahoma. He called the court's ruling "a great decision."
"For Indian people, their land is really important, and treaties are really important. They're sacred. And this reaffirms the sacredness of those promises and those treaties."
"Now and then there's a great case that helps you keep the faith about the rule of law," he said. "And this is one of those."
The ruling has a number of significant consequences for criminal law in the relevant portion of Oklahoma.
The first is that going forward, certain major crimes committed within the boundaries of reservations must be prosecuted in federal court rather than state court, if a Native American is involved. So if a Native American is accused of a major crime in downtown Tulsa, the federal government rather than the state government will prosecute it. Less serious crimes involving Native Americans on American Indian land will be handled in tribal courts. This arrangement is already common in Western states like Arizona, New Mexico and Montana, said Washburn.
Then there's the issue of past decisions — many of them are now considered wrongful convictions because the state lacked jurisdiction. A number of criminal defendants who have been convicted in the past will now have grounds to challenge their convictions, arguing that the state never had jurisdiction to try them.
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DIY-HP-LED
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35% Of voters will still vote for him and morons here still carry his water.
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Trump Scandals Pass By, Lose Spotlight To New Trump Scandals | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
Rachel Maddow rounds up some of the many scandals that Donald Trump has inflicted on the U.S. presidency, noting that many slide by despite their seriousness because they're so quickly supplanted by a new scandal.
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Trump Scandals Pass By, Lose Spotlight To New Trump Scandals | Rachel Maddow | MSNBC
Rachel Maddow rounds up some of the many scandals that Donald Trump has inflicted on the U.S. presidency, noting that many slide by despite their seriousness because they're so quickly supplanted by a new scandal.
Budzbuddha
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Kellyanne Conway’s ‘Creepy’ Comments Get Turned Against Trump In Biting New Ad 
Kellyanne Conway’s recent attack on Democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden just received a makeover that turns it back on President Donald Trump.
Conway, who is counselor to the president, said Biden had made “a lot of really creepy statements” and some of those statements “make me very uncomfortable.”
“Donald Trump is a disgusting and creepy individual whose predatory behavior is well-documented,” the organization said in a statement released with the video. “Trump and his crumbling regime of scoundrels and liars seek [to] use the label on others, but there is no one creepier than Donald Trump.”
The group called Trump “the creepiest and most disgusting man alive” and posted the video with the #CreepyTrump hashtag.
A new video from the progressive PAC MeidasTouch combined her comments with footage of some of Trump’s creepier moments:
Kellyanne Conway’s recent attack on Democratic presidential candidate and former Vice President Joe Biden just received a makeover that turns it back on President Donald Trump.
Conway, who is counselor to the president, said Biden had made “a lot of really creepy statements” and some of those statements “make me very uncomfortable.”
“Donald Trump is a disgusting and creepy individual whose predatory behavior is well-documented,” the organization said in a statement released with the video. “Trump and his crumbling regime of scoundrels and liars seek [to] use the label on others, but there is no one creepier than Donald Trump.”
The group called Trump “the creepiest and most disgusting man alive” and posted the video with the #CreepyTrump hashtag.
A new video from the progressive PAC MeidasTouch combined her comments with footage of some of Trump’s creepier moments:
DIY-HP-LED
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Ya know, covid hitting the red states this late in the game when all other industrialised countries have beaten this bug back looks bad for Donald. Still having shortages of PPE, testing, information and federal support, must be causing more cognitive dissonance than covid infections among the Trumpers in these red states. I was all a hoax remember, no worse than the flu and only blue states got it...
DIY-HP-LED
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Any pictures of people in MAGA hats wearing masks?
CunningCanuk
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Former KKK leader endorses Trump for president again
Perhaps the US’s most renowned racial extremist has long supported what he sees as the president’s white nationalist agenda
Budzbuddha
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Trump followers are special .....
DIY-HP-LED
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Almost literally, eat shit and die, except the shit part is metaphorical, not the death part though... 50/50 I guess as to literal truth, but 100% reality.
Make a meme out of it!
the autopsies are coming in now and looking bad..stay home people..you don't want this. there are some who have been very lucky, but Covid19 often leaves patients with permanent damage.
how will you know if someone has been affected and still suffering walking through your grocery store? you'll hear it in their cough..it almost sounds like Whooping Cough.
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DIY-HP-LED
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More Canadian anti American trolling I guess. "Maybe this guy is a Russian troll though, cause ya never know, so trust nobody, we must remain individuals we cannot trust enough to form a community, everybody is suspect, they could be a deep plant"... Looks like the fear of Russian trolling is having more effect than the actual trolling. Looks like the terrorist won again folks.
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Former SDNY US Attorney Berman testifies to Congress that Bill Barr lied to the American people.
Former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Geoffrey Berman released an opening statement in advance of his closed door testimony before the House Judiciary Committee. Berman said that Attorney General Bill Barr told Berman that he wanted him to resign so the administration could install Jay Clayton as SDNY's top prosecutor. Berman told Barr Clayton was not qualified to serve as U.S. Attorney, having never been a prosecutor or handled a single criminal case. Undeterred Barr told Berman to resign or be fired. Berman refused to resign. Shortly thereafter, Barr announced via press release that Berman had stepped down as U.S. Attorney. Berman testified to Congress that that was a complete lie. Once again, Bill Barr shows himself to be unworthy of the office he holds.
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Former SDNY US Attorney Berman testifies to Congress that Bill Barr lied to the American people.
Former U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York, Geoffrey Berman released an opening statement in advance of his closed door testimony before the House Judiciary Committee. Berman said that Attorney General Bill Barr told Berman that he wanted him to resign so the administration could install Jay Clayton as SDNY's top prosecutor. Berman told Barr Clayton was not qualified to serve as U.S. Attorney, having never been a prosecutor or handled a single criminal case. Undeterred Barr told Berman to resign or be fired. Berman refused to resign. Shortly thereafter, Barr announced via press release that Berman had stepped down as U.S. Attorney. Berman testified to Congress that that was a complete lie. Once again, Bill Barr shows himself to be unworthy of the office he holds.
DIY-HP-LED
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I haven't seen a single Russian on this site since I've been here, I can't be sure, but neither can anybody else. I've seen American and a few Canadian racist trolls and a lot of Trumper socks by regular members too ashamed to post under their regular accounts or socks by antisocial assholes who are repeatedly banned.
I know a lot of people here accuse others of being russian trolls, but at most they are American mouth pieces for Russian disinformation. The republican talking points and Russian disinformation have become almost indistinguishable, so I understand the confusion, they are allies after all. Maybe someone should make a thread of suspected Russian trolls and see how many innocent end up there, all of them, at least of being paid Russians.
The Russians wouldn't waste their time on a pot site with such low participation in an offshoot politics section, they have finite budgets and resources and this would be a waste of time for anybody with an objective and a brain. This site is monitored by humans FFS and the mods read almost all the posts, it is a tough nut to crack and certainly not worth the effort. So stop with the Russian shit, it demonstrates you cannot think clearly or objectively, it's a conspiracy theory for here at least, like Qnon. Sure the Russians attack social media and attempt to implant narratives in our media, they've been doing it for a century, the means are just different now. Most of the socks and trolls here are racist trumpers or neonazi's and most have regular accounts or pirate unused dormant ones, from my perspective, the same guys who carried the tiki torches in Charlottesville and chanted racist shit, some go to rallies too.
The majority of Americans on the site as a whole are white males with a large percentage uneducated (politics attracts a more refined crowd). The vast majority of American white males are racists, so it stands to reason there will be a lot of them here too. The fact that most don't post in the politics section unless they use a sock or pirate an account is telling, even they are deeply ashamed of Trump. The arguments have all become, "there is no difference between them" in nature.
The trolls and socks here are mostly American with a few Canadians who post under their own accounts, no russians and a few english speakers from outside North America.
I know a lot of people here accuse others of being russian trolls, but at most they are American mouth pieces for Russian disinformation. The republican talking points and Russian disinformation have become almost indistinguishable, so I understand the confusion, they are allies after all. Maybe someone should make a thread of suspected Russian trolls and see how many innocent end up there, all of them, at least of being paid Russians.
The Russians wouldn't waste their time on a pot site with such low participation in an offshoot politics section, they have finite budgets and resources and this would be a waste of time for anybody with an objective and a brain. This site is monitored by humans FFS and the mods read almost all the posts, it is a tough nut to crack and certainly not worth the effort. So stop with the Russian shit, it demonstrates you cannot think clearly or objectively, it's a conspiracy theory for here at least, like Qnon. Sure the Russians attack social media and attempt to implant narratives in our media, they've been doing it for a century, the means are just different now. Most of the socks and trolls here are racist trumpers or neonazi's and most have regular accounts or pirate unused dormant ones, from my perspective, the same guys who carried the tiki torches in Charlottesville and chanted racist shit, some go to rallies too.
The majority of Americans on the site as a whole are white males with a large percentage uneducated (politics attracts a more refined crowd). The vast majority of American white males are racists, so it stands to reason there will be a lot of them here too. The fact that most don't post in the politics section unless they use a sock or pirate an account is telling, even they are deeply ashamed of Trump. The arguments have all become, "there is no difference between them" in nature.
The trolls and socks here are mostly American with a few Canadians who post under their own accounts, no russians and a few english speakers from outside North America.
hanimmal
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DIY-HP-LED
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Like Rob, you post memes when you cannot debate.
CunningCanuk
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I think we all need a group hug. Who’s with me?
DIY-HP-LED
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When ya fuck up, your friends tell you or they aren't much use as friends, I wouldn't bother with those who wouldn't, for they have neither compassion or courage.
hanimmal
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Nah, I just can't keep up with your bullshit spam. And a meme sums it up nicely.