Somthing for the sheep who shut thier eyes and ears and still do and will

[NewGrowth]

Well, the hydrogen bomb alone is 100 times more powerful than the atom bomb, and its radiation effect envelopes much more ground. The atom bomb is very much outclassed and out of production, get with the times!
Not sure if a nuclear bomb will leave a little black box for us to tell who did it, the only way we would know who did it would be from the spy network or vocalized threat.
Its not illegal, sorry.
Iraq Resolution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

First off where do you think a terrorist is going to obtain a hydrogen bomb? This is highly advanced technology, nobody is building a hydrogen in bomb in a cave.

I still see NO reason why a percieved threat is enough to invade a soveriegn country.

As far as the wars legality, that is debatable maybe you should read the link you posted. The war exists in a legal "grey" area as far as international law is concerned. The fact that intelligence reports were falsified should provide enough impetus to impeach Bush. Clinton lies about a blow job and we consider impeachment, Bush overrides the constitution and we do nothing . . .

I was in Washington DC when the plane flew into the Pentagon, it was quite frightening. So you support the continuation of failed foreign policy because you think it will protect us from another attack? I really don't understand peoples logic.

Take my freedom I'm afraid
Take my children and send them to war I'm afraid
Tap my phone, read my e-mail, search me at the airport I'm afraid

This country was not built on fear but on the backs of COURAGEOUS Americans, that never stopped fighting for their liberty. You spit on them by supporting a $168 billion dollar "War on Terror".

What I really want to know is WHY you would support something so obviously counter-productive, reactionary, and fear based. I have yet to hear a logical answer to this question . . .

 

[NewGrowth]

I love how people like you accuse Iraq of breaking international laws and then in the same breath advocate that the US ignore those same laws. Doesn't that strike you as a bit hypocritical?

Yes but a "good" American is a hypocrite . . . and we fund the U.N so we pretty much control it . . .

The uranium was ostensibly for use in nuclear power plants. Sure, you might say, like Iraq needs nuclear power. Still, having a functioning nuclear power program is kind of like having a space program. It's mostly a prestige thing, not so much for practical purposes.

Anyway, UN weapons inspectors knew it was there since 1991, and they had been making sure he didn't do anything shady with it.

Actually a nuclear program does have many practical purposes beyond weapons development. I posted this earlier:

Ok now look at how seriously the United States takes these countries with nuclear weapons. Korea is a good example of why American money flows into states with a nuclear arsenal. It's a source of cheap energy and the North Koreans want in, it allows them to be less dependent on foreign oil and give them a bargaining chip for foreign trade. US treaties that "shut down" North Korean reactors capable of providing refined Uranium pay to subsidize the additional fuel cost that North Korea endures as a result of shutting down these reactors.

So why would Saddam Hussein want a nuclear program? Well he refused World Bank loans and wanted a portion of the oil trade profits to go directly into Iraqi banks. He also wanted to be seen as a force in the Middle East, especially to his nearest enemy Iran (where we placed the Shaw destabilizing and emerging democracy). With a nuclear program Saddam kills to birds with one stone, he gets cheap energy to build infrastructure and is seen as a player in the world economy, but is not hopelessly indebted to the United States via World Bank loans.

 

[Doctor Pot]

Take my freedom I'm afraid
Take my children and send them to war I'm afraid
Tap my phone, read my e-mail, search me at the airport I'm afraid

This country was not built on fear but on the backs of COURAGEOUS Americans, that never stopped fighting for their liberty. You spit on them by supporting a $168 billion dollar "War on Terror".

$168 billion dollars?? We wish...

Aside from that, great post!

 

[NewGrowth]

$168 billion dollars?? We wish...

Aside from that, great post! :thumb:

The Department of Homeland Security has an operating budget of $168 billion, the Iraqi war well . . . thats another story . . .

 

[Dfunk]

The U.N. is a prototype for the one world government & has been for years. You'll see trust me.

 

[hom36rown]

That's just idle speculation. One thing that characterizes depressions is that there tends to not be anything for people to do, hence high unemployment. But after a disaster, there is a lot of work to be done, and people are more on the same page as far as being motivated and working toward a common goal.

What do you think would happen? Everyone would just come together and rebuild out of the goodness of their hearts when they are poor and starving, in a radioactive wasteland no less. Or maybe the government will pay to have it fixed, they can always just pull another 100 trillion dollars out of their ass right.

 

[Doctor Pot]

What do you think would happen? Everyone would just come together and rebuild out of the goodness of their hearts when they are poor and starving, in a radioactive wasteland no less. Or maybe the government will pay to have it fixed, they can always just pull another 100 trillion dollars out of their ass right.

First, the rest of the world would help us, and work with us to put an end to whoever was responsible. The stock market would drop, but that would be temporary, like after Pearl Harbor and 9/11. Hiroshima and Nagasaki did a good job of rebuilding after we bombed them, and Japan isn't all that radioactive now. Because of the magnitude of the blast, most of the fallout is actually blasted into the stratosphere and spreads itself out throughout the world. During a depression, most people are not poor and starving, even during the worst of the Great Depression, unemployment was about 25%. Volunteers and charities would do a lot of rebuilding and assistance. The US military would be virtually unaffected, and could carry out whatever its missions are. The country would hurt, no doubt about that, but for the most part it would retain the vast majority of its production capacity.

 

[ZenMaster]

First off where do you think a terrorist is going to obtain a hydrogen bomb? This is highly advanced technology, nobody is building a hydrogen in bomb in a cave.

I still see NO reason why a percieved threat is enough to invade a soveriegn country.

As far as the wars legality, that is debatable maybe you should read the link you posted. The war exists in a legal "grey" area as far as international law is concerned. The fact that intelligence reports were falsified should provide enough impetus to impeach Bush. Clinton lies about a blow job and we consider impeachment, Bush overrides the constitution and we do nothing . . .

I was in Washington DC when the plane flew into the Pentagon, it was quite frightening. So you support the continuation of failed foreign policy because you think it will protect us from another attack? I really don't understand peoples logic.

Take my freedom I'm afraid
Take my children and send them to war I'm afraid
Tap my phone, read my e-mail, search me at the airport I'm afraid

This country was not built on fear but on the backs of COURAGEOUS Americans, that never stopped fighting for their liberty. You spit on them by supporting a $168 billion dollar "War on Terror".

What I really want to know is WHY you would support something so obviously counter-productive, reactionary, and fear based. I have yet to hear a logical answer to this question . . .

The only reason I even said hydrogen bomb was because Dr. Pot was trying to marginalize the devastation of a major city if a nuclear bomb went off, which probably wouldn't be an atom bomb, it would more than likely be a dirty bomb. I know how hard it is to create a hydrogen bomb, but stealing one is more probable than creating one by scratch.

I disagree with you. If someone is building nuclear weapons, after they agreed not to pursue nuclear technology because of their likely hood to use it is more than enough reason to invade.

Guess how much I give a shit about "international law". The war is legal, because it is passed through congress. Get Over It.

The U.N. had their chance to do something about Iraq for 10 years. 10 years of threatening, negotiating, and pleading. They got no where and Saddam knew they wouldn't back their shit up so he just ignored them. We had to step in.

What failed foreign policy? There hasn't been an attack on the U.S. soil since 9/11, you may think thats a failure for some stupid reason.

You are hilariously delusional. If we did not pursue our current foreign policy I am sure there would have been many more American lives lost due to our pacifism. These terrorists are much more hardcore than you give them credit for, either we have to be strong or they will walk all over us.

 

[NorthwestBuds]

The only reason I even said hydrogen bomb was because Dr. Pot was trying to marginalize the devastation of a major city if a nuclear bomb went off, which probably wouldn't be an atom bomb, it would more than likely be a dirty bomb. I know how hard it is to create a hydrogen bomb, but stealing one is more probable than creating one by scratch.

I disagree with you. If someone is building nuclear weapons, after they agreed not to pursue nuclear technology because of their likely hood to use it is more than enough reason to invade.

Guess how much I give a shit about "international law". The war is legal, because it is passed through congress. Get Over It.

The U.N. had their chance to do something about Iraq for 10 years. 10 years of threatening, negotiating, and pleading. They got no where and Saddam knew they wouldn't back their shit up so he just ignored them. We had to step in.

What failed foreign policy? There hasn't been an attack on the U.S. soil since 9/11, you may think thats a failure for some stupid reason.

You are hilariously delusional. If we did not pursue our current foreign policy I am sure there would have been many more American lives lost due to our pacifism. These terrorists are much more hardcore than you give them credit for, either we have to be strong or they will walk all over us.

Sorry Zen but that is a total load of crap. It's that kind of wrong thinking (fear) that got us there in the first place.

 

[smartsoverambition]

wasn't this whole thing started by americans training people in iraq giving them weapons and then just left them? this would't of happened in the first place if america took some responsibility for the mess it made trying to forward it's sociopathic agenda

also i was looking at some sites less likely to cause propaganda on what was found, they never said this uranium wuz saddam husseins nor was it all from the same place, this is uranium that basically came from all over the middle east, includng: u guessed it saudi arabia and iran
but we all know why we didn't attack them no need beating a old drum

 

[Big P]

well what if a heroshima size bomb was detonated atop a crane in washington DC during the state of the union address where you would have the president the vice president the speaker of the house and every other person in the upper echelon of the federal governmnet sitting in one room?

The line of Presidential succession:

1)President
2)Vice president
3)Speaker of the House
4)President Pro-Tempore of the Senate
5)Secretary of State


all of these players would be in that room


what do you think woud happen to the United states Of America if Washington DC was obliterated on that night?


you couldnt even imagine that actual horror that would bring

maybe then they would call it the war on horror so there will be no mistaking it


2 Atomic bombs were dropped on humans in the past, I think we can all agree that the next one that ever drops on humans again from wherever it comes, will trigger global catastrophe & fallout


4,000 deaths was a small price to pay specially since we killed thousands of Al Queda and freed a great people from the bonds of tyranny for the rest of their days at the same time, for which they paid thier own price for freedom




you wanted change and thats what you have in Iraq, complete change to a free happy people that many even today would scorn to admit because of simple selfishness and pride

.

 

[NewGrowth]

The only reason I even said hydrogen bomb was because Dr. Pot was trying to marginalize the devastation of a major city if a nuclear bomb went off, which probably wouldn't be an atom bomb, it would more than likely be a dirty bomb. I know how hard it is to create a hydrogen bomb, but stealing one is more probable than creating one by scratch.

I disagree with you. If someone is building nuclear weapons, after they agreed not to pursue nuclear technology because of their likely hood to use it is more than enough reason to invade.

Guess how much I give a shit about "international law". The war is legal, because it is passed through congress. Get Over It.

The U.N. had their chance to do something about Iraq for 10 years. 10 years of threatening, negotiating, and pleading. They got no where and Saddam knew they wouldn't back their shit up so he just ignored them. We had to step in.

What failed foreign policy? There hasn't been an attack on the U.S. soil since 9/11, you may think thats a failure for some stupid reason.

You are hilariously delusional. If we did not pursue our current foreign policy I am sure there would have been many more American lives lost due to our pacifism. These terrorists are much more hardcore than you give them credit for, either we have to be strong or they will walk all over us.

well what if a heroshima size bomb was detonated atop a crane in washington DC during the state of the union address where you would have the president the vice president the speaker of the house and every other person in the upper echelon of the federal governmnet sitting in one room?

The line of Presidential succession:

1)President
2)Vice president
3)Speaker of the House
4)President Pro-Tempore of the Senate
5)Secretary of State


all of these players would be in that room


what do you think woud happen to the United states Of America if Washington DC was obliterated on that night?


you couldnt even imagine that actual horror that would bring

maybe then they would call it the war on horror so there will be no mistaking it


2 Atomic bombs were dropped on humans in the past, I think we can all agree that the next one that ever drops on humans again from wherever it comes, will trigger global catastrophe & fallout


4,000 deaths was a small price to pay specially since we killed thousands of Al Queda and freed a great people from the bonds of tyranny for the rest of their days at the same time, for which they paid thier own price for freedom




you wanted change and thats what you have in Iraq, complete change to a free happy people that many even today would scorn to admit because of simple selfishness and pride

.

All I have to say is you guys are both morons. I give up it is impossible to reason with idiots I guess. You think the Iraqi war is change?!! That is a load of bullshit. You guys have already handed your freedom over to the "terrorists", based on your fears of "what might happen" or "what is possible". 68 American's die each year from terrorism Deaths from Diabetes: 71,372 so where is our "War on Diabetes"? Oh just to prove a point. Here is another motor vehicle crashes 43,000 deaths "War on Cars!".

The logic you use is similar to me not leaving my house EVER because it is just too dangerous . . . .So you really think that these people attacked us because they are just bad evil people? Like I said before people don't strap bombs to their chest unprovoked.

Get over your small minded fear based views of the world and wake up to what is really happening, you can't fight idealism with more idealism it does not work. I have yet to see a debatable point from either of you . . . its almost like a blind faith. I can provide you with facts and logical points but all I get back is "Well they might get a bomb and blow up our government!". GOOD! Thats right it would probably bee good for idiots like you if we had a wake up call like that and had to actually look at ourselves for once, but that is not patriotic right?

Zen and Big P's Definition of Patriotism:
Fall in line accept the fear based agenda of a dying breed . . . the Neo-Cons.

 

[AlphaNoN]

Nearly every year, more people drown in bathtubs in the U.S. than are killed by terrorists worldwide. We need to form a Department of Bathtub Security..

 

[Big P]

About four million people die worldwide each year as a result of smoking


why didnt we have a WWII against smoking?




So this means we should have let another 4 million Jews die every year until Hitler killed them all????

I guess we should not have declared war on Japan and Germany?????


you guys are gutless.




hey my sister is gettin raped everyday, but hey lets not do anything about it cuz like all my friends sisters get raped all the time.


makes a lot of sense, you guys are right.


thats all you got??????

 

[Big P]

about a zillion people get robbed everyday in the world


so when i come rob you man, dont do anything about it dude ok??? just let me handle my busines and fondle you momma


or just let me come over and slap you around a bit. Dont worry lots of people get slaped around and nothing is done about it.

so you will not do anything about it I trust right??


there are sheep and there are shepards and there are wolves and there some hard dogs that will stop the wolves, this is ingrained in the brain of real men,


just pick the one you are and let the rest be themselves as well.

 

[AlphaNoN]

The U.S. didn't concern itself with the actions of the Axis powers until Pearl Harbor was bombed. Had the U.S. not been attacked, we most certainly would not have entered the war so soon. Genocide or not.

American public opinion is so
averse to war that the president has been
unable to persuade the country to enter
the fight against the Nazis despite their
conquest of most of Europe. Indeed, a July
1941 bill to extend the nation’s peacetime
draft—which the Roosevelt administration
deemed fundamental to U.S. national
security—passed by a single vote.

And please, if neo-cons were concerned about genocide they would be overthrowing despots in Rwanda, or Zimbabwe, but alas, those countries aren't sitting on a sea of oil..

 

[Doctor Pot]

Nearly every year, more people drown in bathtubs in the U.S. than are killed by terrorists worldwide. We need to form a Department of Bathtub Security..

I calculated once that more people are killed by horses than terrorists. Granted, horses are the deadliest animal in the US, causing about 200 deaths a year, but if terrorists were their own species, they'd still be somewhere around bumblebees.

 

[edux10]

see, this is what i don't get.

This thread is about not 'shutting your eyes and ears' well, you guys are just getting caulght up in a bunch of pointless drama like a bunch of high school girls on their period.

 

[edux10]

i mean you have to look at the big picture. it seems like you are more concerned about the life of the president or whatever that you are concerned about your own life or the life of you family.

Politics are like a soap opera. Is it keeping you entertained?

 

[Big P]

I calculated once that more people are killed by horses than terrorists. Granted, horses are the deadliest animal in the US, causing about 200 deaths a year, but if terrorists were their own species, they'd still be somewhere around bumblebees.

your guys premise is completly wrong because you have to compare the same amount of Horses to terrorists


if you take 10 terrorists and compare them to 10 horses the terroists will do much more killing than the horses so your analogies are completely incorrect and misleading



heres an example, more people die of terrorists every year than even hydrogen bombs!!!!!


now if I made that statement it would be misleading too


cuz there are way more terrists around killing than there are hydrogen bombs around killing.



just like there are about a quadzillion more people taking baths than there are terroists in the world