Organic ph up and down

Highlife42

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Ok. Nice choice of strain for sure. Great lineage. They dont look bad man. Not at all. However, they are more save-able than you think/improvable. Are you wanting to improve them or you are good with their overall direction/harvest? And no need to overfeed. If you are using synthetics tell me what you are using and I will do my best to help if you would like my input.
 

Herb potman

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Ok. Nice choice of strain for sure. Great lineage. They dont look bad man. Not at all. However, they are more save-able than you think/improvable. Are you wanting to improve them or you are good with their overall direction/harvest? And no need to overfeed. If you are using synthetics tell me what you are using and I will do my best to help if you would like my input.
Always down to fix. Gh flora series
 

Highlife42

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Dude, continue on with KNF. Seriously. It is awesome! It will only lead you UP more ways to natural farming. Good stuff my dude
 

Herb potman

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Dude, continue on with KNF. Seriously. It is awesome! It will only lead you UP more ways to natural farming. Good stuff my dude
Gina finish this grow out and use the Gaia green for a run or 2 to give myself time to research more KNF. Then hit it hard.
 

Highlife42

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Ok. 1 last question before I try an address your plants.. How many weeks are you wanting to take them too harvest? your expectation as they are now at basically 9weeks
 

Herb potman

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What the breeder info says is they shud be ready by day 70. But as u can see some look more full in buds then the other. What u was told was to wait til trichomes in middle of buds are 3% Amber then start my flush and by the time 10-14 days is over ambers shud be 30-50 % amber Then harvest. But it looks like some plants guna be more ready then others. So I am ok with going longer for my learning purposes. Gotta burn to learn. Lol.
 

Herb potman

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Ok. 1 last question before I try an address your plants.. How many weeks are you wanting to take them too harvest? your expectation as they are now at basically 9weeks
What can I mix with ffof next run to help keep soil airy. I went 25% perlite. What u think if I go 50% perlite
 

Richard Drysift

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This is all amazing info thanks. Cuz I have been told before that for every bag of fox farm that I shud add a cup of dolomite lime to it right out the bag To give more of the story I was using gh flora series (synthetic ) with fox farm soil (organic) So now that I will move to an organic line ( Gaia green ) hopefully I don’t have to worry like U are saying. Any thought on this so far ? And also I Wud like to get something to help with microbial I think it’s called inoculate the soil. ? But Iam new to all this. Can u reccomend something for this. I have heard of recharge and mammoth P ? But Iam in Canada and it’s pricey to get those items here ?
The something you need to inoculate the soil with microbes is worm castings. The bellies of earthworms contain all the microbes needed to decompose organic matter; they are what helps feed the trees in the forest. Yes I’ve heard of recharge and tried it out; it’s aiight if sea monkey microbes are all you can get. Never used mammoth p either but I know other folks around here have had success with it. Natural compost is much better imo and if you start a worm bin, bokashi pail, or compost pile it costs virtually nothing. The other thing I very highly recommend is granular mycorrhizae, I use myko xtreme brand but great white or a generic label will also work.
That all sounds awesome I am doing a lot of reading on KNF stuff with Chris triumph and others. I hope one day to get to where u are with living soils. I Wud love to also take any advice u for. So u ph your water going into your ffof ? My tap water is 8 ph and seems to be ok with soil buffers I assume. Or I heard I can use vinegar to lower ph and not harm microbial life in soil like I think I did before. And me using synthetics in Organics. But my plants are growing still with a few problems hear and there. I learning first grow. That’s for sure. My next run my plan is to use Gaia green dry amendments (it’s like dr earth in states ) with the ffof for Iam in Canada and thats the soil and style of organic nutes. My plan is to let soil nutes deplete then top dress with organic Gaia green. Any pointers here. And definitely guna go all fabric pots. Any easy advice for a beginner on how to keep soil less compact so oxygen gets through ? More perlite ? Help.
Don’t let the soil deplete; add compost along with a fertilizer as a top dress well before it is actually needed to give time for it to become available when it is.
Perlite is a good aerator but to condition the soil and reduce compaction add vermiculite. Will also help retain moisture.

Ok that one plant looks like it has an absorption problem; this could have been fixed by adding compost teas weeks ago. It’s not too late to get the soil active again if you really wanted to.
 

Herb potman

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The something you need to inoculate the soil with microbes is worm castings. The bellies of earthworms contain all the microbes needed to decompose organic matter; they are what helps feed the trees in the forest. Yes I’ve heard of recharge and tried it out; it’s aiight if sea monkey microbes are all you can get. Never used mammoth p either but I know other folks around here have had success with it. Natural compost is much better imo and if you start a worm bin, bokashi pail, or compost pile it costs virtually nothing. The other thing I very highly recommend is granular mycorrhizae, I use myko xtreme brand but great white or a generic label will also work.

Don’t let the soil deplete; add compost along with a fertilizer as a top dress well before it is actually needed to give time for it to become available when it is.
Perlite is a good aerator but to condition the soil and reduce compaction add vermiculite. Will also help retain moisture.


Ok that one plant looks like it has an absorption problem; this could have been fixed by adding compost teas weeks ago. It’s not too late to get the soil active again if you really wanted to.
How ? With the worm casting like u talking
 

Highlife42

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Richard Drysift knows wassup too. So, Theres no way you can go off the nutes this far in, Least I dont think. However, are you willing to start pruning like now. From each plant that you want to better. Keep each individual pruned plant matter into individual piles. Do not combine into 1 large pile. Each separate one. ok. I believe in order to dial back the amount of nutes in your medium bc (flushing at this stage as much as they need will not be good). So, each pile. Lets start will ol yellar there. Hes begging for help. Get a mason jar if that the least you have or a 5 gallon bucket would do better. Dump all of pruned ol yellar in there and add water AND ; since I dont think you have EM-1 on hand, so this stuff is great... I could totally send an amazon link to a higher priced, marketed product, or buy from this company. No ties. Was turned onto their company regarding their work. Microbe+ Probiotic Stimulant - bokashiearthworks. Pay for faster shipping bc your plants need it. Besides, small business and natural. Whats not to like? Let me know how much you prune, I would say prune a good bit. Just open it up a tad. Dont go crazy.lol. Take at least 1 cup of your soil from ol yellar pot. Top is fine. Just scoop some and combine with ol yellar prunes inside 5gal bucket.. You're creating a tea. So strain it. However, the pruned matter is still going to contain your mobile and immobile nutes that represent all of NPK. Just need help breaking them down. Soil is just to tell it where it lives.. Point is. You need to back off the nutes, create some buffer so you can fix it, so you are able to implement fungi and soil food back into it but doing so only by, feeding the plant back to itself. It will recognize wassup and in turn will also carry microbes, oxygen molecules, micronutrients from castings. combined with nute filled ol yellar leaves & molecules too, which is good. Bc we dont want anymore nutes as of now. Just slowlyyyy back it down. Get the plant green and then go. Would be great to have an air stone pump if you do as well. If not, shaking will work for time. But it needs to sit for awhile. Least-24hrs with intermediate shaking up. Letting leaves breakdown and release some nutes. Heating helps too. Since time is of the essence here, get this too. Plant Success Organics Granular Mycorrhizae (arbico-organics.com) 4oz is just fine. And earthworm castings absolutely. I have a business on etsy if you would like the link, I sell OMRI listed earthworm castings. I swear I'm not promoting stuff. Helping you. It is work though. oh wait youre in canada you said? Anyway, get some worm shit haha Still with me.. OK SO..5gal-- add, pruned leaves bad and good,1gal of water, 1.3oz Microbe stimulant, mycorrhizal funji and 2lbs of earthworm castings. Preferably as a tea using panty hose. Let sit, shake for 24 hrs. More is better but ol yellar. After 24 hrs. Water your plant with regular water first at your PH. Soak it. ~(3/4gal~in5gal). NOW, add the tea I had you create. 1 gallon. Yes, you will have runoff. It will be wet! Good bit. unless they are semi dry beforehand. The medium will be drenched. lol. As Richard said, the absorption issue plant.. It is complicated and suffering. The xylem is likely tight it can barely uptake water to & from and work with the phloem. (Plant tissues that are inside/outside which help cycle everything a plant needs to survive and stand up nice and tall like trees). (Think wood) If you have a seedling mat, wrap it around ol yellars 5gal pot. Will help get it drier quicker to do it again sooner. So, Prepare another tea like 1 above. Ph it. Or 1 massive tea for continued use. DO NOT MIX pruned matter plant to plant. Repeat in 3 days or when soil becomes visibly drier. Hope all this ramblin helps. Oh and use 24celcius water.
 

PadawanWarrior

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Richard Drysift knows wassup too. So, Theres no way you can go off the nutes this far in, Least I dont think. However, are you willing to start pruning like now. From each plant that you want to better. Keep each individual pruned plant matter into individual piles. Do not combine into 1 large pile. Each separate one. ok. I believe in order to dial back the amount of nutes in your medium bc (flushing at this stage as much as they need will not be good). So, each pile. Lets start will ol yellar there. Hes begging for help. Get a mason jar if that the least you have or a 5 gallon bucket would do better. Dump all of pruned ol yellar in there and add water AND ; since I dont think you have EM-1 on hand, so this stuff is great... I could totally send an amazon link to a higher priced, marketed product, or buy from this company. No ties. Was turned onto their company regarding their work. Microbe+ Probiotic Stimulant - bokashiearthworks. Pay for faster shipping bc your plants need it. Besides, small business and natural. Whats not to like? Let me know how much you prune, I would say prune a good bit. Just open it up a tad. Dont go crazy.lol. Take at least 1 cup of your soil from ol yellar pot. Top is fine. Just scoop some and combine with ol yellar prunes inside 5gal bucket.. You're creating a tea. However, the pruned matter is still going to contain your mobile and immobile nutes that represent all of NPK+. Just need help breaking them down. Soil is just to tell it where it lives.. Point is. You need to back off the nutes, create some buffer so you can fix it, so you are able to implement fungi and soil food back into it but doing so only by, feeding the plant back to itself. It will recognize wassup and in turn will also carry microbes, oxygen molecules, micronutrients from castings. combined with nute filled ol yellar leaves & molecules too, which is good. Bc we dont want anymore nutes as of now. Just slowlyyyy back it down. Get the plant green and then go. Would be great to have an air stone pump if you do as well. If not, shaking will work for time. But it needs to sit for awhile. Least-24hrs with intermediate shaking up. Letting leaves breakdown and release some nutes. Heating helps too. Since time is of the essence here, get this too. Plant Success Organics Granular Mycorrhizae (arbico-organics.com) 4oz is just fine. And earthworm castings absolutely. I have a business on etsy if you would like the link, I sell OMRI listed earthworm castings. I swear I'm not promoting stuff. Helping you. It is work though. oh wait youre in canada you said? Anyway, get some worm shit haha Still with me.. OK SO..5gal-- add, pruned leaves bad and good,1gal of water, 1.3oz Microbe stimulant, mycorrhizal funji and 2lbs of earthworm castings. Preferably as a tea using panty hose. Let sit, shake for 24 hrs. More is better but ol yellar. After 24 hrs. Water your plant with regular water first at your PH. Soak it. ~(3/4gal~in5gal). NOW, add the tea I had you create. 1 gallon. Yes, you will have runoff. It will be wet! Good bit. unless they are semi dry beforehand. The medium will be drenched. lol. As Richard said, the absorption issue plant.. It is complicated and suffering. The xylem is likely tight it can barely uptake water to & from and work with the phloem. (Plant tissues that are inside/outside which help cycle everything a plant needs to survive and stand up nice and tall like trees). (Think wood) If you have a seedling mat, wrap it around ol yellars 5gal pot. Will help get it drier quicker to do it again sooner. So, Prepare another tea like 1 above. Ph it. Or 1 massive tea for continued use. DO NOT MIX pruned matter plant to plant. Repeat in 3 days or when soil becomes visibly drier. Hope all this ramblin helps. Oh and use 24celcius water.
Hey could you spread that stuff out next time? Just hit return every so often. It makes it way easier to read. I don't even attempt reading an endless stream. No offense. It just helps the reader.
 

Herb potman

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Richard Drysift knows wassup too. So, Theres no way you can go off the nutes this far in, Least I dont think. However, are you willing to start pruning like now. From each plant that you want to better. Keep each individual pruned plant matter into individual piles. Do not combine into 1 large pile. Each separate one. ok. I believe in order to dial back the amount of nutes in your medium bc (flushing at this stage as much as they need will not be good). So, each pile. Lets start will ol yellar there. Hes begging for help. Get a mason jar if that the least you have or a 5 gallon bucket would do better. Dump all of pruned ol yellar in there and add water AND ; since I dont think you have EM-1 on hand, so this stuff is great... I could totally send an amazon link to a higher priced, marketed product, or buy from this company. No ties. Was turned onto their company regarding their work. Microbe+ Probiotic Stimulant - bokashiearthworks. Pay for faster shipping bc your plants need it. Besides, small business and natural. Whats not to like? Let me know how much you prune, I would say prune a good bit. Just open it up a tad. Dont go crazy.lol. Take at least 1 cup of your soil from ol yellar pot. Top is fine. Just scoop some and combine with ol yellar prunes inside 5gal bucket.. You're creating a tea. So strain it. However, the pruned matter is still going to contain your mobile and immobile nutes that represent all of NPK. Just need help breaking them down. Soil is just to tell it where it lives.. Point is. You need to back off the nutes, create some buffer so you can fix it, so you are able to implement fungi and soil food back into it but doing so only by, feeding the plant back to itself. It will recognize wassup and in turn will also carry microbes, oxygen molecules, micronutrients from castings. combined with nute filled ol yellar leaves & molecules too, which is good. Bc we dont want anymore nutes as of now. Just slowlyyyy back it down. Get the plant green and then go. Would be great to have an air stone pump if you do as well. If not, shaking will work for time. But it needs to sit for awhile. Least-24hrs with intermediate shaking up. Letting leaves breakdown and release some nutes. Heating helps too. Since time is of the essence here, get this too. Plant Success Organics Granular Mycorrhizae (arbico-organics.com) 4oz is just fine. And earthworm castings absolutely. I have a business on etsy if you would like the link, I sell OMRI listed earthworm castings. I swear I'm not promoting stuff. Helping you. It is work though. oh wait youre in canada you said? Anyway, get some worm shit haha Still with me.. OK SO..5gal-- add, pruned leaves bad and good,1gal of water, 1.3oz Microbe stimulant, mycorrhizal funji and 2lbs of earthworm castings. Preferably as a tea using panty hose. Let sit, shake for 24 hrs. More is better but ol yellar. After 24 hrs. Water your plant with regular water first at your PH. Soak it. ~(3/4gal~in5gal). NOW, add the tea I had you create. 1 gallon. Yes, you will have runoff. It will be wet! Good bit. unless they are semi dry beforehand. The medium will be drenched. lol. As Richard said, the absorption issue plant.. It is complicated and suffering. The xylem is likely tight it can barely uptake water to & from and work with the phloem. (Plant tissues that are inside/outside which help cycle everything a plant needs to survive and stand up nice and tall like trees). (Think wood) If you have a seedling mat, wrap it around ol yellars 5gal pot. Will help get it drier quicker to do it again sooner. So, Prepare another tea like 1 above. Ph it. Or 1 massive tea for continued use. DO NOT MIX pruned matter plant to plant. Repeat in 3 days or when soil becomes visibly drier. Hope all this ramblin helps. Oh and use 24celcius water.
I will try my hardest to follow this and give it a try I really appreciate all the help
 

Herb potman

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I get that. Endless rambling is mundane. lol

Awesome dude. Reach out if you need more help
Is there a more basic idea then this. This is my very first grow Just a question but Wud I be able to make a simple worm casting tea ? Sorry I don’t want to shut your idea down but Iam still in the rookie phase and will try to follow but don’t wanna make ol yeller more mad at me. Wud I not be able to bubble like 2 cups of worm casting in a cheese cloth in a 5 gallon for 24 hours then pour that onto my soil
 

Highlife42

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No shutting down bro. I was giving my 2 cents. Important to remember dude. Its a plant/weed. lol Have fun with!! Its just plant matter. If that thing wilts to the ground 2mrw... Oh well haha Go up from there and continue on my man. Keep growing your medicine. Yes bro. Do that asap. So if you have all that + cheesecloth. Perfect. Fill that cheesecloth full of EWCastings. Yes. Got any aloe vera around the home?
 

Herb potman

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No shutting down bro. I was giving my 2 cents. Important to remember dude. Its a plant/weed. lol Have fun with!! Its just plant matter. If that thing wilts to the ground 2mrw... Oh well haha Go up from there and continue on my man. Keep growing your medicine. Yes bro. Do that asap. So if you have all that + cheesecloth. Perfect. Fill that cheesecloth full of EWCastings. Yes. Got any aloe vera around the home?
Not sure but I can probably find some
 

Herb potman

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No shutting down bro. I was giving my 2 cents. Important to remember dude. Its a plant/weed. lol Have fun with!! Its just plant matter. If that thing wilts to the ground 2mrw... Oh well haha Go up from there and continue on my man. Keep growing your medicine. Yes bro. Do that asap. So if you have all that + cheesecloth. Perfect. Fill that cheesecloth full of EWCastings. Yes. Got any aloe vera around the home?
GOod morning
Have my water sitting out to rid chlorine guna buy some worm castings today and if I don’t find cheese cloth I shud never ok with panty hose ? What u think ? And I think u right about compact soil due to Iam doing autos there for went right to final pot So there was no transplants at all and I guess that can keep soil loose. U have any tricks on how to keep ffof aerated better ?
 
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