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GoatSoup

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I've always heard that to assault a position it takes 3:1 manpower over the defenders to insure an assualt suceeds.
So Putin assualted with ~200,000 and the Ukr has over 600,000 in reserve and active troops not to memtion the scads of motivated malitia that will call in Russian positions on their cell phones.

Vlad miscalculated the odds and will pay the price. aybe he will stumble on the steps in the Kremlin and fix the situation?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The General had better stay in Russia and not too close to the border either, he will be a switchblade target if he gets in range of either the switchblade 300 or 600 or anything else they can use to kill him. He won't want to be touring the front anytime soon, or someone will program his face into a switchblade 300 and tell it to go get him.
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Russia is believed to have reorganized its military leadership in Ukraine, with Gen Alexander Dvornikov given overall charge
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I figure the Russian advances in the east will find a lot of IED's in their path, they know the exact roads they are coming down and when. So they ambush them and destroy as many as they can, before withdrawing to the next ambush, while leaving IED's all along the road every 100 feet or so and snipers. Drone observers can tell them when to make the cellphone call and each one has it's phone number programed into a list and perhaps a discreet marker close by that can only be seen from the air.

The Ukrainians have more defensive weapons than offensive ones at this point and tactical withdrawals and ambushes are the best way to use them until lend lease comes through when Vlad second army arrives. They will wear them down like this, get them far from logistical support, then attack their flanks and cut off the spearheads from supply and perhaps advancing on the counter attack. When the new weapons arrive the tactics will change accordingly, so will the strategy. The Ukrainians should have very large forces deployed after 43 days of war, far more than the number of Russians currently in the country even with extra help arriving from Russia. Their regular army used for offensive operations must be growing weekly with NATO support, training and equipment. Eastern Poland must be like a vast training camp and supply dump by now or soon will be.

The Russians might be short on guns, but the new NATO members had all their millions of Soviet AKs, RPG and mortars and either gave or will give them to Ukraine, along with tanks. However Russia has been issuing bolt action rifles to some troops, where are all their millions of AKs? Were they sold on the black market over the decades? There was a huge market for them and they would be easy to sell, so would Russian ammo and I heard about that being sold online years ago.
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How Russian Tanks Are Being Destroyed

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Some local Ukrainian TV news with English captions, these boys are local reservists mopping up and collecting equipment for use against the Russians. You can see their attitude, they know they will win in the end and are willing to do what it takes to do it, now more than ever. Practical working men who know how to deal with this kind of stuff and get it back up and running if they need to or send it somewhere where it will be refurbished for their army. I hope they have Geiger counters and hose it down at least, if it's hot!
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Russian Tanks: Ukrainian Trophies I Dispatches From Ukraine I ARTE.tv Documentary


On the border between Belarus and Ukraine is the abandoned detritus of war. Military equipment left by the side of the road. Hats. Even meals. Ukrainian civilians and soldiers pick up what the Russians leave behind.
 

injinji

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They don't train for nearly as long or as well as NATO troops, they are trained to follow orders, not to think for themselves and are trained in their trade, like artillery and not generally. If NATO troops came upon a drone wiped Russian mortar unit, they would know how to use the weapons against the enemy and would proceed to do so without orders and they were trained on enemy equipment. I figure 3 weeks of training then on the train to the slaughter house, driven like cattle by lot's of officers and sergeants with no real authority or much experience.

Personally I don't know where Vlad will find the warm bodies with the current bunch of conscripts the last of them are usually inducted in June. He would rather eat shit and die, than call up the reserves, he might be afraid to for a variety of reasons, the condition of their equipment being one of them.
This callup can be for anyone who was a conscript since 2012. They do not have a national guard like in the States. There would have been no training since they had got out. So for some that will have been ten years. Out of necessity they do go through a 90 day boot camp.
 

printer

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Antonov urged the West to stop pumping weapons to Ukraine
The West must stop pumping weapons to Ukraine, Russian Ambassador to Washington Anatoly Antonov said at an online conference of the Schiller Institute. "It is extremely important that Western countries stop adding fuel to the fire by pumping weapons into the Kyiv regime," he said.

In addition, the ambassador added, there is a clear need for the United States and its allies to urge Ukraine to comply with international humanitarian law.

"We will never tolerate the killing of civilians, as well as the killing and torture of captured Russian soldiers," Antonov stressed.

He noted that it is extremely important to achieve the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine in order to consolidate its non-nuclear status and adherence to international agreements on the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

"We must do everything to prevent the undermining of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. There should be no threats to Russia coming from Ukrainian territory," the ambassador said. According to him, this is the purpose of the special military operation.

Against this background, the United States and its NATO allies are increasing arms supplies to Kiev . So, this week the US Senate approved a draft law on lend-lease, which will simplify the provision of military assistance to Ukraine.

The Kremlin noted that such a decision would not help the Russian-Ukrainian negotiations, but, on the contrary, would only have a negative effect.


"Please stop, think of the children."
 

injinji

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I wonder how much lag a person with a heads up display sitting in a bunker would have? Might not be great for the US in the Sea of China with a guy sitting in Arizona but a guy sitting on an aircraft carrier there might be workable. For Turkey and their own back yard it makes perfect sense. They said the last generation of fighters will be the last with a person in the plane, might be sooner than we think.
Having a person in the plane limits the performance due to effect of gravity on people. When you don't have to worry about the pilot blacking out, the maneuvering can be much more jittery.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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This callup can be for anyone who was a conscript since 2012. They do not have a national guard like in the States. There would have been no training since they had got out. So for some that will have been ten years. Out of necessity they do go through a 90 day boot camp.
Normally I'd say yes, but you are dealing with Russia and Putin. The train could drop them off at the depot to be equipped, then back on the train to the slaughter house a couple of days later. They are just meat to them, not men and citizens and the great leader needs a victory for the big victory parade on May 9th.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Antonov urged the West to stop pumping weapons to Ukraine
The West must stop pumping weapons to Ukraine, Russian Ambassador to Washington Anatoly Antonov said at an online conference of the Schiller Institute. "It is extremely important that Western countries stop adding fuel to the fire by pumping weapons into the Kyiv regime," he said.

In addition, the ambassador added, there is a clear need for the United States and its allies to urge Ukraine to comply with international humanitarian law.

"We will never tolerate the killing of civilians, as well as the killing and torture of captured Russian soldiers," Antonov stressed.

He noted that it is extremely important to achieve the denazification and demilitarization of Ukraine in order to consolidate its non-nuclear status and adherence to international agreements on the non-proliferation of weapons of mass destruction.

"We must do everything to prevent the undermining of the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. There should be no threats to Russia coming from Ukrainian territory," the ambassador said. According to him, this is the purpose of the special military operation.

Against this background, the United States and its NATO allies are increasing arms supplies to Kiev . So, this week the US Senate approved a draft law on lend-lease, which will simplify the provision of military assistance to Ukraine.

The Kremlin noted that such a decision would not help the Russian-Ukrainian negotiations, but, on the contrary, would only have a negative effect.


"Please stop, think of the children."
i don't trust my government to tell me the truth about everything, but on most things it's very difficult for them to get away with lying. the world has become a global place, with local reporters and foreign correspondents covering the same stories. when those stories don't match up, it can cause embarassing situations, and the governments of the world have caught on to that. they do still lie about some things, but most of what they tell us is true, out of necessity, if nothing else. it's too easy to catch people in simple lies these days.
that hasn't been the case in countries like russia, china, north korea...they strictly control their own media and the access of reporters from other countries. do you suppose that is why they're so comfortable telling the most outrageous lies, and seem surprised when the rest of the world calls them bald faced fucking liars?
they accuse Ukraine of staging 100s of murders to frame russia, of shelling their own citizens in false flag operations to discredit russia.
i find it easiest to imagine things that i would do myself. i think the same applies to russia and putin. they can imagine killing hundreds of their own citizens to create a false flag because they would do so with no remorse at all...and probably have.
the best thing they could do would be to shut this antonov guy the fuck up, he's not doing them a single favor, and is only making them look like the lying fucks that they are
 

injinji

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ACLU denounces bill to allow seized Russian oligarch assets to fund Ukraine
The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) this week denounced a bill that would authorize President Biden to seize assets held by Russian oligarchs.

The bipartisan legislation, which took aim at the “corruption of Vladimir Putin’s repressive regime,” was opposed by the ACLU as “unconstitutional.”

“This bill was so unconstitutional that it raised the prospect that a sanctioned Russian national could win in an American court, which likely would have struck down both the statute and the sanction as being unconstitutional,” said ACLU federal policy director Christopher Anders.

Under H.R. 6930, or the “Asset Seizure for Ukraine Reconstruction Act,” the administration would be able to confiscate and sell property valued more than $5 million that belongs to Russian oligarchs found to have supported Russian President Vladimir Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.

The funds acquired by the administration would then be used to provide assistance to Ukraine, according to Reps. Tom Malinowski (D-N.J.) and Joe Wilson (R-S.C.), who introduced the bill.

“It would be fitting and right to use the wealth that supported Putin’s regime to rebuild the country Putin is destroying,” said Malinowski in a statement. “The Ukrainian people should see the boats, planes, and villas of Putin’s enablers being seized and sold, and they should know that the proceeds will help their country and cause.”

The lawmakers mentioned luxury villas, yachts and airplanes as property that could potentially be confiscated under the legislation. The congressman further stated that “military and humanitarian assistance, post-conflict reconstruction and technology to ensure the free flow of information in Ukraine” are resources the asset sales could provide to the people of Ukraine.

The bill, which would be authorized for two years after its initial enactment if passed, was ordered Tuesday to be amended before returning to the House for a second vote.

“Those who have accumulated great wealth and influence under Vladimir Putin and off the backs of the Russian people should not be able to hide their assets in the United States while Putin commits atrocities against the Ukrainian people,” Wilson said, in reference to the legislation. “Putin has chosen mafia rule, and the global community must respond accordingly.”
I agree with the ACLU on this one. I can see freezing the assets. But not giving the money to another unless it goes through some serious court proceedings. If it was cool for them to own all this stuff before the war I don't understand how it can be taken now without the folks getting their day in court.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Normally I'd say yes, but you are dealing with Russia and Putin. The train could drop them off at the depot to be equipped, then back on the train to the slaughter house a couple of days later. They are just meat to them, not men and citizens and the great leader needs a victory for the big victory parade on May 9th.
after seeing what all the "misled russian soldiers" are doing in Ukraine, i hope they don't even get to stop, they get on the train at the rear, get a uniform and a rifle, and move forward, till the train is full, then they get dumped in a border town and marched to their deaths in Ukraine. i hope they kill so many coming out of russia that it builds a mountain of russian corpses they have to travel through to get to their own deaths.
i had some compassion for them before i saw what they did to all those civilians in small Ukrainian towns and villages, now i just want them all to die, as quickly and painfully as possible.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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I agree with the ACLU on this one. I can see freezing the assets. But not giving the money to another unless it goes through some serious court proceedings. If it was cool for them to own all this stuff before the war I don't understand how it can be taken now without the folks getting their day in court.
whatever the law says, is what should happen...even though it would be only just that the people who supported putin, who supported attacking Ukraine for trumped up bogus bullshit reasons would have to pay for the damage that their support facilitated.
but of course, no legal system in the world is concerned with justice anymore, they're concerned with kissing the ass of them that hold the most money, so even though the Ukrainian invasion is a criminal action that they supported and helped fund, they'll come out of it scott free, with dirty blood money to buy new yachts with, while Ukrainians will have to end up going into debt for decades to repair the damage the worlds richest criminals did to their country
 

DIY-HP-LED

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after seeing what all the "misled russian soldiers" are doing in Ukraine, i hope they don't even get to stop, they get on the train at the rear, get a uniform and a rifle, and move forward, till the train is full, then they get dumped in a border town and marched to their deaths in Ukraine. i hope they kill so many coming out of russia that it builds a mountain of russian corpses they have to travel through to get to their own deaths.
i had some compassion for them before i saw what they did to all those civilians in small Ukrainian towns and villages, now i just want them all to die, as quickly and painfully as possible.
They pissed off a lot of people and will pay for it in blood, the west is shoveling in even more arms and the public is howling for yet more to be sent. The Ukrainians will be taking far fewer prisoners in the east and we will give them the weapons to kill very large numbers of them. I dunno the extent of lend lease, but something tells me the flood gates will be opened when it is signed and the DoD is already sending or arranging the sending of stuff in anticipation. The ink won't be dry from Joe's signature as the first weapons are handed over in Europe from prepositioned stocks and Ukrainian troops are training in Poland to use it now. The generals will move a lot faster than the politicians and have already started, in anticipation. I know every retired American general and others I see on TV has been screaming into the camera for this for awhile. They will be after the politicians who are dragging their feet next. They trained their entire lives for this war and know exactly what is needed to win it, not as much as they anticipated in the beginning.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I agree with the ACLU on this one. I can see freezing the assets. But not giving the money to another unless it goes through some serious court proceedings. If it was cool for them to own all this stuff before the war I don't understand how it can be taken now without the folks getting their day in court.
Sure a day in court, but the federal government has great power over hostile foreign nationals and the courts won't intervene, there is plenty of examples of injustice that are established precedent. They should have a day in court or some sort of tribunal, some of them at least. Regular Russians who have a couple of million abroad, probably broke their own county's laws too. Then there are the tax havens and if Uncle Sam said they could keep some as a reward for their efforts, they would cooperate too, they already said they would. As far as I know Uncle Sam can seize their property and sell it using cold war era laws, no courts required, unless they are American citizens and no declaration of war required either.

I'm no lawyer though, but we will defiantly be hearing more about frozen Russian assets being seized and sold by the government. Russia seized billions of dollars worth of American and allied airliners that were leased to Russia and be becoming unairworthy fast. So there are those considerations too, the state department has a great deal of latitude in these matters.
 
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