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DIY-HP-LED
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Destroy the bridge at Kerch and take Crimea and the Ukrainians own the sea of Azov and the black sea. The Russians would have one or two ports on part of the eastern coast. They can't send any surface ships within 300km of Ukraine for fear of missile attack. Submarines have no surface fighting capability these days, small fast craft like PT boats can act as an effective antisubmarine force, could be transported by rail from Europe and could even use DIY depth charges or hedgehogs! Commercial sonar will do just fine there too. However I expect Uncle Sam and the UK to provide the boats and weapons. If it can fire a harpoon, it can run with the big boys.
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DIY-HP-LED
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Plenty of time to sweat Turkey, the US and & UK gave security guarantees to both countries. Vlad's army ain't going anywhere soon and is getting the shit kicked out of it in Ukraine. Finland alone would have little problem with Vlad's pathetic army, especially what he has left now or will have. Even with the Chinese buying his oil, it will be a long time before the country and army can recover. So let Erdogan sweat, he's doing a bit of playing both sides, looking for advantage, however there is much grief the west could cause him with finances and Ukraine does control his grain. All Sweden and Finland need is US and UK security guarantees and they might be joined by other NATO members like Canada, the Baltic states and Poland in bilateral defense agreements. Both countries are happy with the situation and got the defense they want, no sweat, they are happy to wait.
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Biden says Finland and Sweden have 'full, total, complete backing' of US as they seek to join NATO | CNN Politics
President Joe Biden on Thursday welcomed the leaders of Finland and Sweden to the White House and said both countries have the "full, total, complete backing" of the US after the two nations submitted their formal applications to become NATO members.
DIY-HP-LED
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BudmanTX
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printer
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You really think the Russians do not have men stationed all around the bridge?
How close could the boats get to the bridge? If I were the Russians I would sit a tanker on either side of the bridge and move them out of the way when legitimate traffic needs to go under it.
DIY-HP-LED
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Australia keeps strategic medical supplies and drugs at various locations, I was reading about it during the pandemic. So I guess they can move out the old and buy new to replace it, as I'm sure they do anyway. This bunch appears to be donated by citizen donations, but as I said they can add on other medical help too. There are a lot of countries doing stuff like this for Ukraine, besides America, it all adds up to multiplying the combat power of Ukraine to that of a state several times it's size and wealth.
BudmanTX
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you would have to do a lot a scouting to see what is what there......this is just a guess prolly at the front of the bridge on the RU side and another on the Crimea side.....but i the middle and this is just a guess.....no...scouting would need to be done first to confirm
DIY-HP-LED
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Well precision missile attacks could take out many defenders and other boats carrying things like javelins could come along while drones swarmed over the place dropping bombs. Meanwhile a bunch of drone decoys would precede a junked airliner full of ANFO that would attack remote controlled from the other side.
I saw a block ship in a picture parked in front of the bridge on the black sea side and the base of the piles have been reinforced in many places along it's very long length. It's been fortified and is well defended, so missiles and drones would have to deal with some of them and distraction employed if possible. Getting appropriate missiles from Uncle Sam would simplify things considerably, the MLRS systems the Americans gave them can fire multiple small missiles, a couple of intermediate ones, or one big one 500km.
DIY-HP-LED
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Another Russian business for Ukraine, it's a good bet those Russian employees who relocate, will end up there, back in the Slavic cultural world. I also figure most of the Russian TV and radio people will be there as Russian alternative media companies spring up, most likely financed by the EU and America. Google was started by two ex soviets who came west and got fabulously wealthy in America, I don't imagine they have much sympathy for Putin.
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cannabineer
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The Kilo class of Diesel-electrics, which is what I’d expect in the Black Sea, has (beside torpedoes and mines) antiship, antiair and land-attack missiles. I read once that this class of boats is feared by the western powers; it is very quiet in electric mode and could conceivably slam-dunk a Western nuclear boat.
Kilo-class submarine - Wikipedia
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DIY-HP-LED
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Once they take Crimea, the Ukrainians can lay a sensor system on the ocean floor to detect subs in the western black sea. NATO did it in the early 60's for the Atlantic and the rest of the oceans have the same thing, cables with microphones every few miles ascending up to the right depth from the cable on the sea bed. It's pretty old technology and should be in their reach on a limited scale. A surfaced sub is also dead meat for a patrolling drone and I heard Uncle Sam was even supplying drone boats and ships and these are most often used for anti submarine work.The Kilo class of Diesel-electrics, which is what I’d expect in the Black Sea, has (beside torpedoes and mines) antiship, antiair and land-attack missiles. I read once that this class of boats is feated by the western powers; it is very quiet in electric mode and could conceivably slam-dunk a Western nuclear boat.
Kilo-class submarine - Wikipedia
cannabineer
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not one word of this acknowledges that you posted a false assessment of the surface capabilities of Russian subs.
Budzbuddha
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Radio Jammer NYET 
Budzbuddha
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Waiting for those newer
“ terminator “ tanks to end up in a blaze of Ukrainian glory …..
“ terminator “ tanks to end up in a blaze of Ukrainian glory …..
Budzbuddha
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BudmanTX
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didn't a sub fire from the sea not to long ago toward Ukraine.......