Absolutely,and the West always takes great pain to avoid civilian casualties though mistakes do occur,and when they do they openly admit and express regret for mistakes made which is breathtakingly different from the Russian war template which is random artillery everywhere to destroy all structures and kill or dislocate all civilians basically the definition of genocide. Almost 80 years after WW2 and the footage of Russian artillery lined up hub to hub is not much different to how the conduct warfare today,which prior to Feb. 24 I was under the impression that Russia was maybe a decade behind the West in military affairs but now it looks like 40 years to me.
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They are not bad at it in America either...
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Russians storm city, shell east Ukraine as Zelenskyy visits
Ukrainian regional officials reported Russian forces “storming” Sievierodonetsk after trying unsuccessfully to encircle the city. The fighting knocked out power and cellphone service, and a humanitarian relief center could not operate because of the danger, the mayor said.
Sievierodonetsk, located about 143 kilometers (89 miles) south of the Russian border, emerged in recent days as the epicenter of Moscow’s quest to capture all of Ukraine’s industrial Donbas region. Russia also stepped up its efforts to take nearby Lysychansk, where civilians rushed to escape persistent shelling.
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Ukrainian regional officials reported Russian forces “storming” Sievierodonetsk after trying unsuccessfully to encircle the city. The fighting knocked out power and cellphone service, and a humanitarian relief center could not operate because of the danger, the mayor said.
Sievierodonetsk, located about 143 kilometers (89 miles) south of the Russian border, emerged in recent days as the epicenter of Moscow’s quest to capture all of Ukraine’s industrial Donbas region. Russia also stepped up its efforts to take nearby Lysychansk, where civilians rushed to escape persistent shelling.
Ukraine, Russia battle in the east as Zelenskyy visits front
POKROVSK, Ukraine (AP) — Russian and Ukrainian troops traded blows in fierce close-quarter combat Sunday in an eastern Ukrainian city as Moscow’s soldiers, supported by intense shelling, attempted …
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You have to laugh.
Russian Ambassador Kelin: Moscow never wanted to capture Kyiv
Russia has no goal to capture Kyiv. This was stated by Russian Ambassador to the UK Andrey Kelin in an interview with the BBC.
“None of our leaders, neither the president nor anyone else, has ever said that we would like to capture Kyiv. I do not believe that it is possible to capture or occupy Kyiv. This is a big city, ”TASS quoted Kelin as saying.
He also added that he sees no need to increase the number of Russian troops in Ukraine. According to the Russian ambassador, Russia intends to continue conducting the special operation by conventional means (in accordance with international law, without the use of weapons of mass destruction - approx. URA.RU).
Earlier, the Kremlin assured that there would be no general mobilization in Russia . Russia launched a special operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine on February 24. Its goal is to protect the inhabitants of Donbass from the long-term genocide to which they were subjected by the military of Ukraine and the national battalions. Russian President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly stressed that Russia has no plans to occupy Ukraine.
Russian Ambassador Kelin: Moscow never wanted to capture Kyiv
Russia has no goal to capture Kyiv. This was stated by Russian Ambassador to the UK Andrey Kelin in an interview with the BBC.
“None of our leaders, neither the president nor anyone else, has ever said that we would like to capture Kyiv. I do not believe that it is possible to capture or occupy Kyiv. This is a big city, ”TASS quoted Kelin as saying.
He also added that he sees no need to increase the number of Russian troops in Ukraine. According to the Russian ambassador, Russia intends to continue conducting the special operation by conventional means (in accordance with international law, without the use of weapons of mass destruction - approx. URA.RU).
Earlier, the Kremlin assured that there would be no general mobilization in Russia . Russia launched a special operation to demilitarize and denazify Ukraine on February 24. Its goal is to protect the inhabitants of Donbass from the long-term genocide to which they were subjected by the military of Ukraine and the national battalions. Russian President Vladimir Putin has repeatedly stressed that Russia has no plans to occupy Ukraine.
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Why Europe should not fall for Putin's peace trap | Michael Clarke
71,869 views May 29, 2022 "Putin may, as he will grab whatever he can in the next few weeks in the Donbas, make a peace offer mainly to the Europeans." RUSI director general Michael Clarke says his main worry is that Europeans agree to a Russian peace offer and then lean on Kyiv to accept it.
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Looks like a bigger display for next year with the arrival of MLRS, the Russians should freak out and stamp their feet, even hold their breath until they turn blue... Now how many did the send and was it the junk ones, send the junk ones too, they can adapt them to trucks and Uncle Sam is getting rid of 14,000 heavy military trucks, replacing them.
Throttling the Ukrainians is not a good idea, unless it has some larger purpose, Uncle Sam allocated $40 billion for the fuck job and Ukraine can't destroy the Russian army for America and NATO of a shoe string. The EU and others have been pouring arms and cash in too, except the Germans are near useless for heavy arms, way too slow in delivering. However, when it does suddenly show up, it will fuck up the Russians very badly.
The orcish tanks in Kyiv
Throttling the Ukrainians is not a good idea, unless it has some larger purpose, Uncle Sam allocated $40 billion for the fuck job and Ukraine can't destroy the Russian army for America and NATO of a shoe string. The EU and others have been pouring arms and cash in too, except the Germans are near useless for heavy arms, way too slow in delivering. However, when it does suddenly show up, it will fuck up the Russians very badly.
The orcish tanks in Kyiv
Budzbuddha
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T-62’s will be a glaring 50 year old scrap heap … maybe when Ukraine rebuilds it will have a memorial orc museum with Russian relics.
And that so called “ laser wonder weapon “ ? - sounds more like a fantasy wish list item. VLAD and his cronies spent all the dough on caviar and mega yachts .
Ironically , the U.S. and other military suppliers are flexing how well our systems and how capable they are right on the battlefield.
The Ukrainians must reduce their thermobaric units quickly as they can , as it seems Russians love to create “ scatter shot “ type weapons .
Like cluster and such.
And that so called “ laser wonder weapon “ ? - sounds more like a fantasy wish list item. VLAD and his cronies spent all the dough on caviar and mega yachts .
Ironically , the U.S. and other military suppliers are flexing how well our systems and how capable they are right on the battlefield.
The Ukrainians must reduce their thermobaric units quickly as they can , as it seems Russians love to create “ scatter shot “ type weapons .
Like cluster and such.
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History of Europe. Greed.
Polly Wog
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I really enjoy history and prehistory. One of the main reasons homos are here as we were the best killers around. Those poor denisovans etc never stood a chance. There's a reason we bred with various other hominids, war.
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More artillery and enough MLRS units to make a decisive difference, allow breakthroughs and maneuver towards their logistics hubs where terrain is favorable. When their army is worn down enough, they are still attacking soaking up casualties for minimal defender losses, still being ground down, one BTG at a time. They might wait for enough MLRS units to arrive and train for a spell, if you introduce a new weapon onto the battlefield, it is an axiom that you do it in sufficient numbers to change the tactical situation dramatically, before the enemy can react and adapt. You need enough to make a difference a dribble of a dozen units would be bullshit, they need hundreds and more artillery too, they should be training new troops for this eventuality now.
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The Ukrainians are the best bet Uncle Sam had since WW2, they can't destroy the Russian army on a shoestring for America. That $40 billion in aid should be able to buy them something other than defensive shit, though many anti tank missiles are being used in the east now as the Russians attack defenses in villages and forests.
There might even be a prospect of the aid being paid back, between Russian Money and Ukrainian gas, besides it's an investment every tank destroyed is one less NATO has to worry about or spend money defending against. The army he was going to throw against Europe is being thrown against Ukraine and being destroyed. Europe won't need the weapons it is giving them and by the time Vlad equips another army they will be obsolete. America has 14,000 heavy military trucks it is replacing for instance and there are a ton of TOW missile systems laying around. Shit Uncle Sam is gonna replace the AR15 and will have plenty to sell cheap soon, along with the .227 ammo for them.
Budzbuddha
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Seen a video ( should have posted it ) of a ukrainian ambush on a vehicle convoy of orcs ( Russian POV ) .
It was a mess - taking fire and no one telling them how and where to position. POV IDIOT would show barrel of his automatic weapon freely “ facing “ his comrades ( no weapon discipline) numerous times as their team wanders and stands along berm. Most of the squad was turned away from actual Ukrainian fire and aimlessly cower without cover.
It was insane that camera view was literally their gun barrel swinging back to and from their own guys - amazingly nobody was shot .
Reminds me of those ol’ paintball games I used to play with guys that never have done it. They cluster together .
It was a mess - taking fire and no one telling them how and where to position. POV IDIOT would show barrel of his automatic weapon freely “ facing “ his comrades ( no weapon discipline) numerous times as their team wanders and stands along berm. Most of the squad was turned away from actual Ukrainian fire and aimlessly cower without cover.
It was insane that camera view was literally their gun barrel swinging back to and from their own guys - amazingly nobody was shot .
Reminds me of those ol’ paintball games I used to play with guys that never have done it. They cluster together .
cannabineer
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I don’t understand the last sentence. Please expound.
Budzbuddha
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cannabineer
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The interbreeding for war has my attention.Blame the primate genetics
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Leaked Russian Intel Exposes Massive Weakness In The Russian Military
Polly Wog
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The expansion of tribes required many to raid villages and kill or enslave the younger men and women. Chimpanzees wars are similar. It's about relatives and the most basic level.
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Prehistoric Carnage Site Is Evidence of Earliest Warfare
Discovery of 27 skeletons in Kenya point to the primal origins of conflict