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DIY-HP-LED

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War is taking its toll in Russia, and they should be thankful Ukraine is so restrained and only hitting oil and military targets and not power infrastructure, which might be a war crime. Heating infrastructure appears to be falling apart due to incompetence, corruption and lack of money and arson and sabotage appear to be widespread. The population appears to be getting restless and resentful and starting to suffer privation and will suffer more as the economy collapses. The soldiers are just meat, warm bodies until they grow cold on the battlefield, hundreds of thousands of dead over nothing more than Vlad and a few others dreams of resurrecting a lost evil empire. Elections that count are easier than this shit and guys like Trump are sure fire way to end elections and end up like the Russians with your soldiers just suckers and losers, no different than Russian meat to those at the top and that would be Trump, or worse.

Even authoritarian states ape the forms and justice systems of liberal democracies but not the substance, they are just facades for a kleptocracy and dictatorship.

 
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CCGNZ

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Looks like multiple strikes from sea drones, one went for a previously damages section and another for the stern. Startlink or cube sat control and zigzagging into the target while under fire. They can use cube sats, but need to time the attacks with the overhead satellite passes and the bandwidth sucks. Another way to control such a drone is by using a relay drone flying high, or by using the cellphone network if it is close to shore.

Looks like she's sunk and a good sized one too. Uncle Sam's and all navies will need to defend against this kind of cheap threat powered by a jetski drive unit.
Suffice to say that Naval warfare has been significantly impacted by drone warfare,imagine the swarming drone attacks that all the big boys can launch w/all the satellites they have in terms of attacks and the brainstorming headaches concerning defending against the same,heavy electronic warfare and jamming capabilities will be needed onboard surface combatants as this allows punching way above weight for Ukraine and even adversaries like Houthi's.
 

cannabineer

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Suffice to say that Naval warfare has been significantly impacted by drone warfare,imagine the swarming drone attacks that all the big boys can launch w/all the satellites they have in terms of attacks and the brainstorming headaches concerning defending against the same,heavy electronic warfare and jamming capabilities will be needed onboard surface combatants as this allows punching way above weight for Ukraine and even adversaries like Houthi's.
And just think, we possibly have a similar capability but submerged. Silent stalk, final sprint. Kerplunk.

Good thing the Houthis can’t cobble such a thing together. Their Iranian leashholders might, but are likely too wise to risk war with the West by giving them anything so destabilizing.
 

BudmanTX

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imo people really need to take care of that maritime drone tech, it can be dangerous in the wrong hands.....
 

DIY-HP-LED

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imo people really need to take care of that maritime drone tech, it can be dangerous in the wrong hands.....
Unfortunately, the technology is hard to control, jet skis are common and that provides the propulsion. The weak link is in communications by radio or satellite and that is where we have the upper hand, for now. All bets are off for an autonomous drone though, one that finds and attacks its target on its own and such a thing might as well be a smart torpedo and operate under water or just below the surface. The point is the technology to do all of this stuff even using EV batteries and motors for robosubs to the cellphone network ashore to control the drone is all common and civilian, but can be dual use, in that like air drones, it might be adapted to military use. Starlink is a prime example of civilian technology that was instantly adapted to war and could give a very big advantage. Technology is enabling, enabling of both good and bad, it's up to us how it is used.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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If the Russian Navy is stuck in its Russian ports along the Black Sea and can't venture forth and they have limited airpower or even the means to detect them, then the Ukrainian drone boats can roam the Black Sea freely and they in effect own it along with the Turks. If you think about it the Russian airforce can send fighter jets, but even helicopters have a hard time hitting a drone boat and other than an anti-sub marine patrol plane working at low level and helicopters close to shore, there is little the Russians can do. They are losing a few AWACS planes and the Ukrainians have intensified their attacks on the Russian airforce in Crimea and look to drive them out of there as well with drones and now missiles.

Looks like Ukraine will take control of the Black Sea by using aerial and naval drones along with missiles while defeating the Russian Navy and airforce on a shoestring. Since they don't have a conventional navy, that is somewhat amazing.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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One sign the Russians lost control of at least half of the Black Sea other than the continued grain shipments, was the British wanting to send minesweepers for Ukraine and they wouldn't be ready for that until it was safe for them to operate in the area. However, a wide variety of existing small vessels can be adapted to clear mines, as they were in WW2 and the Russian mines are not much different there, if at all.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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This isn't one of those go it alone unpopular wars, this one involves NATO allies and the destruction of a longtime adversary and outright enemy and future threat to vital allies. They are filling in for now, or trying to, but have expectations as do the Ukrainians. America signed treaties with Ukraine over assuring their national security along with other allied countries when they gave up a lot of nukes and missiles. Fucking with aid is serious business and shakes the confidence of allies in an unstable geopolitical environment.

China rapidly is taking over the light transport and large sectors of the global energy generation and storage markets. Energy, technology and industrial power are essential for national and military security and Biden's policies are a desperate attempt to catch up. America can't afford either Trump or the republicans and no longer have such luxuries as to hate for no reason and believing bullshit that a kid would laugh at. Policy and society must be grounded in facts and reality, otherwise those who are, will leave you in the dust over time. Russia is a good example of this and so is Trump, even with his brief tenure as SCOTUS and only partial power.

America needs allies and markets and what the republicans are doing is damaging both.

 
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BudmanTX

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One sign the Russians lost control of at least half of the Black Sea other than the continued grain shipments, was the British wanting to send minesweepers for Ukraine and they wouldn't be ready for that until it was safe for them to operate in the area. However, a wide variety of existing small vessels can be adapted to clear mines, as they were in WW2 and the Russian mines are not much different there, if at all.
those minesweepers were nixed by the Turks, only Turkey, Romania, and Bulgaria are looking for the mines......
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Two of the things people and nations fight over is energy and water. Energy is being addressed by renewables and EVs for most countries and all are eager for energy security and independence, so expect policy to follow technology. The other is water and for places close to the seacoast that might be resolved over the next year or two with commercialization of new solar desalination processes. If it works out it should develop fast in regions where there is a dire need and plenty of capital which presents unique opportunities for development and rapid growth of the industry.

Take energy and water off the table and that leaves fewer things to fight about, other than food and emotional causes.
 

printer

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US begins retaliatory strikes for Jordan attack
The U.S. military began an initial round of airstrikes on Iranian-backed groups in Syria and Iraq in retaliation for an attack on a base in Jordan last weekend that killed three American troops.

U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) said it began airstrikes around 4 p.m. EST in Iraq and Syria against Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Quds Force “and affiliated militia groups.”

“U.S. military forces struck more than 85 targets, with numerous aircraft to include long-range bombers flown from the United States,” CENTCOM said in a statement. “The airstrikes employed more than 125 precision munitions.”

CENTCOM said it hit command and control operations, intelligence centers, rockets, missiles and unmanned aerial vehicle storages and munition supply chain facilities used by militia groups and the IRGC.

Along with the IRGC, the U.S. was expected to target the Islamic Resistance in Iraq, an umbrella group of militias backed by Iran. The Islamic Resistance claimed responsibility for the Jordan attack, and the U.S. earlier this week attributed the attack to it.

President Biden released a statement after the strikes were announced Friday noting that he had attended the return of the three soldiers killed in Jordan earlier in the day at Dover Airforce Base.

“This afternoon, at my direction, U.S. military forces struck targets at facilities in Iraq and Syria that the IRGC and affiliated militia use to attack U.S. forces,” he said.

“Our response began today. It will continue at times and places of our choosing,” he added. “The United States does not seek conflict in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world. But let all those who might seek to do us harm know this: If you harm an American, we will respond.”

Iranian Telegram channels reported that the strikes targeted the headquarters of the Popular Mobilization Forces, a coalition of Iraqi militia groups that includes Iranian-backed militants that provide official security in Baghdad. Iranian groups quickly condemned the U.S. for the attack.

“This new aggression reveals the lies of the American administration and its pursuit to intensify the war,” they said in a joint statement. “The United States continues its aggression and arrogance towards the peoples of our nation.”

Iranian media channels were also reporting the deaths of six people from the strikes so far, including three Iraqis. The claims could not be immediately verified.

Iran has yet to respond to the U.S. air strikes. But Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi warned in an address earlier Friday that it would respond.

“We have often clarified that Iran will not initiate a war but will answer bullies firmly and authoritatively,” Raisi said, according to state-run news outlet Islamic Republic News Agency.

The U.S. strikes are part of an operation that several officials suggested would involve a tiered response.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said Friday that the strikes will “unfold at times and places of our choosing.”

“This is the start of our response,” Austin said in a statement. “We do not seek conflict in the Middle East or anywhere else, but the president and I will not tolerate attacks on American forces. We will take all necessary actions to defend the United States, our forces, and our interests.”

President Biden faced immense pressure to retaliate after a suicide drone hit Tower 22, a U.S. base in Jordan, on Sunday, injuring 40 service members and killing three Army reservists.

Some Republicans called for Biden to strike back inside Iran for the deaths, but any move hitting Iranian soil would likely provoke an all-out war between Washington and Tehran, something the president has repeatedly said he does not want.

But hitting targets linked to the country’s militant wing, the IRGC — which is involved in training, supplying and assisting sponsored groups throughout the Middle East — could alone send a strong message to Tehran.

Iran has vowed to respond decisively to any U.S. military action. But Iran has also grown concerned about a wider war, according to CNN. The Iranian-backed groups claim they are fighting against U.S. forces in response to the Israeli war against Palestinian militant group Hamas in Gaza.

They have launched more than 160 attacks on the U.S. in Iraq, Syria and Jordan since October, and the Iranian-backed Houthis in Yemen have attacked commercial shipping and U.S. forces some 36 times since November.

The latest strikes in Iraq could further intensify ongoing discussions between Iraq and the U.S. over the future of the American military presence in the country.

The U.S. has some 2,500 troops there to train and assist Iraq in the fight against Islamic extremist group ISIS, but Iraqi officials have complained about their country being turned back into a warzone as the U.S. and Iranian groups clash.

Yahya Rasool, a spokesperson for Iraq’s commander-in-chief, said the U.S. hit the city of Al-Qaim and other border areas of Iraq, stressing the latest strikes “come at a time when Iraq is striving to ensure the stability of the region.”

“These strikes constitute a violation of Iraqi sovereignty and undermine the efforts of the Iraqi government, posing a threat that will pull Iraq and the region to undesirable consequences, with severe implications for security and stability in Iraq and the region,” Rasool said in a statement.

"...a violation of Iraqi sovereignty..."

So did they complain when the American base was hit?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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US begins retaliatory strikes for Jordan attack
The U.S. military began an initial round of airstrikes on Iranian-backed groups in Syria and Iraq in retaliation for an attack on a base in Jordan last weekend that killed three American troops.

U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) said it began airstrikes around 4 p.m. EST in Iraq and Syria against Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Quds Force “and affiliated militia groups.”

“U.S. military forces struck more than 85 targets, with numerous aircraft to include long-range bombers flown from the United States,” CENTCOM said in a statement. “The airstrikes employed more than 125 precision munitions.”

CENTCOM said it hit command and control operations, intelligence centers, rockets, missiles and unmanned aerial vehicle storages and munition supply chain facilities used by militia groups and the IRGC.

Along with the IRGC, the U.S. was expected to target the Islamic Resistance in Iraq, an umbrella group of militias backed by Iran. The Islamic Resistance claimed responsibility for the Jordan attack, and the U.S. earlier this week attributed the attack to it.

President Biden released a statement after the strikes were announced Friday noting that he had attended the return of the three soldiers killed in Jordan earlier in the day at Dover Airforce Base.

“This afternoon, at my direction, U.S. military forces struck targets at facilities in Iraq and Syria that the IRGC and affiliated militia use to attack U.S. forces,” he said.

“Our response began today. It will continue at times and places of our choosing,” he added. “The United States does not seek conflict in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world. But let all those who might seek to do us harm know this: If you harm an American, we will respond.”

Iranian Telegram channels reported that the strikes targeted the headquarters of the Popular Mobilization Forces, a coalition of Iraqi militia groups that includes Iranian-backed militants that provide official security in Baghdad. Iranian groups quickly condemned the U.S. for the attack.

“This new aggression reveals the lies of the American administration and its pursuit to intensify the war,” they said in a joint statement. “The United States continues its aggression and arrogance towards the peoples of our nation.”

Iranian media channels were also reporting the deaths of six people from the strikes so far, including three Iraqis. The claims could not be immediately verified.

Iran has yet to respond to the U.S. air strikes. But Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi warned in an address earlier Friday that it would respond.

“We have often clarified that Iran will not initiate a war but will answer bullies firmly and authoritatively,” Raisi said, according to state-run news outlet Islamic Republic News Agency.

The U.S. strikes are part of an operation that several officials suggested would involve a tiered response.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said Friday that the strikes will “unfold at times and places of our choosing.”

“This is the start of our response,” Austin said in a statement. “We do not seek conflict in the Middle East or anywhere else, but the president and I will not tolerate attacks on American forces. We will take all necessary actions to defend the United States, our forces, and our interests.”

President Biden faced immense pressure to retaliate after a suicide drone hit Tower 22, a U.S. base in Jordan, on Sunday, injuring 40 service members and killing three Army reservists.

Some Republicans called for Biden to strike back inside Iran for the deaths, but any move hitting Iranian soil would likely provoke an all-out war between Washington and Tehran, something the president has repeatedly said he does not want.

But hitting targets linked to the country’s militant wing, the IRGC — which is involved in training, supplying and assisting sponsored groups throughout the Middle East — could alone send a strong message to Tehran.

Iran has vowed to respond decisively to any U.S. military action. But Iran has also grown concerned about a wider war, according to CNN. The Iranian-backed groups claim they are fighting against U.S. forces in response to the Israeli war against Palestinian militant group Hamas in Gaza.

They have launched more than 160 attacks on the U.S. in Iraq, Syria and Jordan since October, and the Iranian-backed Houthis in Yemen have attacked commercial shipping and U.S. forces some 36 times since November.

The latest strikes in Iraq could further intensify ongoing discussions between Iraq and the U.S. over the future of the American military presence in the country.

The U.S. has some 2,500 troops there to train and assist Iraq in the fight against Islamic extremist group ISIS, but Iraqi officials have complained about their country being turned back into a warzone as the U.S. and Iranian groups clash.

Yahya Rasool, a spokesperson for Iraq’s commander-in-chief, said the U.S. hit the city of Al-Qaim and other border areas of Iraq, stressing the latest strikes “come at a time when Iraq is striving to ensure the stability of the region.”

“These strikes constitute a violation of Iraqi sovereignty and undermine the efforts of the Iraqi government, posing a threat that will pull Iraq and the region to undesirable consequences, with severe implications for security and stability in Iraq and the region,” Rasool said in a statement.

"...a violation of Iraqi sovereignty..."

So did they complain when the American base was hit?
Iran supports these lunatics and losers but can't completely control them and if they don't, they are gonna suffer for it. There is widespread discontent inside Iran among youth, the internet and cellphones have its effect there too. The last thing these guys need is a war where they might rapidly end up like Russia. China is not happy about the disruption of trade either and neither are a lot of southeast Asian countries that Iran is trying to have better relations with, India is not happy either.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
US begins retaliatory strikes for Jordan attack
The U.S. military began an initial round of airstrikes on Iranian-backed groups in Syria and Iraq in retaliation for an attack on a base in Jordan last weekend that killed three American troops.

U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) said it began airstrikes around 4 p.m. EST in Iraq and Syria against Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps (IRGC) Quds Force “and affiliated militia groups.”

“U.S. military forces struck more than 85 targets, with numerous aircraft to include long-range bombers flown from the United States,” CENTCOM said in a statement. “The airstrikes employed more than 125 precision munitions.”

CENTCOM said it hit command and control operations, intelligence centers, rockets, missiles and unmanned aerial vehicle storages and munition supply chain facilities used by militia groups and the IRGC.

Along with the IRGC, the U.S. was expected to target the Islamic Resistance in Iraq, an umbrella group of militias backed by Iran. The Islamic Resistance claimed responsibility for the Jordan attack, and the U.S. earlier this week attributed the attack to it.

President Biden released a statement after the strikes were announced Friday noting that he had attended the return of the three soldiers killed in Jordan earlier in the day at Dover Airforce Base.

“This afternoon, at my direction, U.S. military forces struck targets at facilities in Iraq and Syria that the IRGC and affiliated militia use to attack U.S. forces,” he said.

“Our response began today. It will continue at times and places of our choosing,” he added. “The United States does not seek conflict in the Middle East or anywhere else in the world. But let all those who might seek to do us harm know this: If you harm an American, we will respond.”

Iranian Telegram channels reported that the strikes targeted the headquarters of the Popular Mobilization Forces, a coalition of Iraqi militia groups that includes Iranian-backed militants that provide official security in Baghdad. Iranian groups quickly condemned the U.S. for the attack.

“This new aggression reveals the lies of the American administration and its pursuit to intensify the war,” they said in a joint statement. “The United States continues its aggression and arrogance towards the peoples of our nation.”

Iranian media channels were also reporting the deaths of six people from the strikes so far, including three Iraqis. The claims could not be immediately verified.

Iran has yet to respond to the U.S. air strikes. But Iranian President Ebrahim Raisi warned in an address earlier Friday that it would respond.

“We have often clarified that Iran will not initiate a war but will answer bullies firmly and authoritatively,” Raisi said, according to state-run news outlet Islamic Republic News Agency.

The U.S. strikes are part of an operation that several officials suggested would involve a tiered response.

Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin said Friday that the strikes will “unfold at times and places of our choosing.”

“This is the start of our response,” Austin said in a statement. “We do not seek conflict in the Middle East or anywhere else, but the president and I will not tolerate attacks on American forces. We will take all necessary actions to defend the United States, our forces, and our interests.”

President Biden faced immense pressure to retaliate after a suicide drone hit Tower 22, a U.S. base in Jordan, on Sunday, injuring 40 service members and killing three Army reservists.

Some Republicans called for Biden to strike back inside Iran for the deaths, but any move hitting Iranian soil would likely provoke an all-out war between Washington and Tehran, something the president has repeatedly said he does not want.

But hitting targets linked to the country’s militant wing, the IRGC — which is involved in training, supplying and assisting sponsored groups throughout the Middle East — could alone send a strong message to Tehran.

Iran has vowed to respond decisively to any U.S. military action. But Iran has also grown concerned about a wider war, according to CNN. The Iranian-backed groups claim they are fighting against U.S. forces in response to the Israeli war against Palestinian militant group Hamas in Gaza.

They have launched more than 160 attacks on the U.S. in Iraq, Syria and Jordan since October, and the Iranian-backed Houthis in Yemen have attacked commercial shipping and U.S. forces some 36 times since November.

The latest strikes in Iraq could further intensify ongoing discussions between Iraq and the U.S. over the future of the American military presence in the country.

The U.S. has some 2,500 troops there to train and assist Iraq in the fight against Islamic extremist group ISIS, but Iraqi officials have complained about their country being turned back into a warzone as the U.S. and Iranian groups clash.

Yahya Rasool, a spokesperson for Iraq’s commander-in-chief, said the U.S. hit the city of Al-Qaim and other border areas of Iraq, stressing the latest strikes “come at a time when Iraq is striving to ensure the stability of the region.”

“These strikes constitute a violation of Iraqi sovereignty and undermine the efforts of the Iraqi government, posing a threat that will pull Iraq and the region to undesirable consequences, with severe implications for security and stability in Iraq and the region,” Rasool said in a statement.

"...a violation of Iraqi sovereignty..."

So did they complain when the American base was hit?
A war with Iran might be popular with many in America, particularly among some in the republican base, but such a war might be good for Biden. Joe is smart enough not to have war with Iran and figures a warning will do. Blocking the red sea affects others in the region a lot more than America, Egypt in particular can't be happy about it. This puts heat on Iran from a lot of countries it is seeking better relations with and a way around sanctions.
 

printer

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There is widespread discontent inside Iran among youth, the internet and cellphones have its effect there too. The last thing these guys need is a war where they might rapidly end up like Russia.
So how is this different from last year? On a war, you think they are afraid when they have God on their side?

A war with Iran might be popular with many in America, particularly among some in the republican base, but such a war might be good for Biden. Joe is smart enough not to have war with Iran and figures a warning will do. Blocking the red sea affects others in the region a lot more than America, Egypt in particular can't be happy about it. This puts heat on Iran from a lot of countries it is seeking better relations with and a way around sanctions.
Where the fuck would it be popular in the US, dead returning to America. The Republicans just stopped whining about Afghanistan, how do you think they would applaud a new war but with an enemy much more capable?
 
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