So does alchol decarb THC or not?

[Kush Inc.]

The first article states clearly that you have to decarb weed before making a tincture, the second one says the alcohol does the job for you.

So what is it now? "There's more than 1 way to skin a cat" really doesn't apply to this. Alcohol decarbs THC or it doesn't.

How do you guys make your THC tinctures (with 95% ethyl alcohol)? Decarb or not? And how long do you soak your weed? Some of these "guides" say 3 days, others say a month....

SOURCES:
1: https://cannabis.wiki/cannabis101/when-you-should-and-when-you-shouldn-t-decarboxylate-cannabis

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1. When infusing alcohol

Alcohol cannot be brought up to a high enough temperature to properly decarb weed, because it will simply evaporate, so tincture is instead made by soaking the buds for a great length of time. It’s a slow process of extraction that can take several weeks to complete, but all of that time will be for nothing if you don’t decarboxylate the cannabis before you make it."

2: https://honestmarijuana.com/marijuana-tinctures/

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Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) exists as tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) until it is decarboxylated, usually with heat. The nice thing about the extraction process is that the alcohol bath dissolves the THCA, decarboxylates it into THC, and preserves the resultant material so that it won’t spoil. Alcohol does all three of these things at the same time…all without heat."

 

[OldMedUser]

#2 is pure bullshit. #1 has errors but it's right about the decarb.

If you want a full plant type of tincture, then you want to let it soak for 4 or more weeks but if it's the cannabinoids from the trichomes you're after whether for meds of just getting high then a quick wash with ice cold alcohol is what you want to do. QWISO if using isopropal alcohol or QWEtOH if ethyl alcohol is the solvent. The pot will need to be decarbed first if being kept as a tincture but if the extract is to be evapped and used as oil then the decarb can better be done after the alcohol is gone.

A lot of evidence coming out about how the acid versions of the cannabinoids may have even better effect for a lot of conditions without so much of a buzz so higher doses could be used without turning the patient into such a space cadet. I think the next batch of oils I make will be a 50:50 mix of decarbed and not-decarbed THC and CBD.

 

[Kush Inc.]

Thanks! I want to extract everything so I'll decarb and let it soak for at least a month.

 

[TrippleDip]

Is it really true that alcohol won't decarb thca? My internal organic chemist is screaming something about acid catalyzed hydrolysis... I think if you were to store it in alcohol for some months it would completely decarb no?

 

[Oldguyrealy]

My wife decarbs in the Oven as far as Trim and Popcorn Buds.

Makes me Cookies. Half of one does me for hours. Two what day was that?

 

[OldMedUser]

Is it really true that alcohol won't decarb thca? My internal organic chemist is screaming something about acid catalyzed hydrolysis... I think if you were to store it in alcohol for some months it would completely decarb no?

It would if you kept it simmering long enough just like it will decarb in a crock pot when given enough time. Pot will decarb at room temp if left long enough or the THC will gradually break down to CBN. The amber trichs so many go for indicated THC that has converted to CBN and give more 'couch lock' effect. If a person wants couch lock they should grow strains that deliver that without tying up the flower room and wasting power. As a bonus most couch lock type strains are fast flowering too.

 

[amneziaHaze]

The first article states clearly that you have to decarb weed before making a tincture, the second one says the alcohol does the job for you.

So what is it now? "There's more than 1 way to skin a cat" really doesn't apply to this. Alcohol decarbs THC or it doesn't.

How do you guys make your THC tinctures (with 95% ethyl alcohol)? Decarb or not? And how long do you soak your weed? Some of these "guides" say 3 days, others say a month....

SOURCES:
1: https://cannabis.wiki/cannabis101/when-you-should-and-when-you-shouldn-t-decarboxylate-cannabis

"

1. When infusing alcohol

Alcohol cannot be brought up to a high enough temperature to properly decarb weed, because it will simply evaporate, so tincture is instead made by soaking the buds for a great length of time. It’s a slow process of extraction that can take several weeks to complete, but all of that time will be for nothing if you don’t decarboxylate the cannabis before you make it."

2: https://honestmarijuana.com/marijuana-tinctures/

"
Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) exists as tetrahydrocannabinolic acid (THCA) until it is decarboxylated, usually with heat. The nice thing about the extraction process is that the alcohol bath dissolves the THCA, decarboxylates it into THC, and preserves the resultant material so that it won’t spoil. Alcohol does all three of these things at the same time…all without heat."

tried it both ways not cooked weed makes the drink taste like fresh weed just gets you drunk.makes your poop smell like a cannabis factory.
baked weed makes you drunk and kind of weird high.still poop is bad but little bit less

 

[go go kid]

Thanks! I want to extract everything so I'll decarb and let it soak for at least a month.

if you leave the final product in the sun for a day, it gets rid of the chloraphil (sp?)

 

[Tincandtoke]

I learned natural decarb from Psychedelic Sam
Place material in a sealed jar and cover with ethanol, about a quarter to half inch over the material
Store in a cool dark place for 3-4 months depending on how much cbn and other conversions you want
Think people shook it lightly once a week
Filter material and you have a full spectrum naturally decarbed tincture

 

[amneziaHaze]

I learned natural decarb from Psychedelic Sam
Place material in a sealed jar and cover with ethanol, about a quarter to half inch over the material
Store in a cool dark place for 3-4 months depending on how much cbn and other conversions you want
Think people shook it lightly once a week
Filter material and you have a full spectrum naturally decarbed tincture

If that was true my 50g 1L moonshine would have destroyed me

 

[Tincandtoke]

If that was true my 50g 1L moonshine would have destroyed me

There are many factors that determine potency
Your material, method and your unique physiology make up the experience
Some people lack the enzymes needed to metabolize cannabinoids in the liver
For these people edibles do not work

 

[amneziaHaze]

There are many factors that determine potency
Your material, method and your unique physiology make up the experience
Some people lack the enzymes needed to metabolize cannabinoids in the liver
For these people edibles do not work

Same grass with baking and no baking one gets you high one just gets you drunk. And 50g of shittiest weed should get you high
Allsoo i smoked the weed after we got it out of the bottle it was weak as f got you high for 7seconds soo the alchohol took everything out
I am one of those people that get f up on edibles.from a small gummy bear made from trim i was high for 6 h

 

[Tincandtoke]

Same grass with baking and no baking one gets you high one just gets you drunk. And 50g of shittiest weed should get you high
Allsoo i smoked the weed after we got it out of the bottle it was weak as f got you high for 7seconds soo the alchohol took everything out
I am one of those people that get f up on edibles.from a small gummy bear made from trim i was high for 6 h

This method has worked for scores of people
Believe the same recipe is posted somewhere on this site
It is the concept of Badkat and psychedelic Sam
Sam had his tincture tested
You have given no details of your methodology so I cannot comment
If you could elaborate on how you recovered the material to smoke because my material was sludge after 4 months
The alcohol needs to be purged because vaporizing and inhaling alcohol is very bad for your lungs so I'm interested in how you smoked or vaporized
If you had intact material then you may not have gone long enough on the soak

My honest opinion is that tincture is the least efficient way to dose
Most of it is lost to saliva in the mouth and stomach acid
Most people make the tincture and then let the alcohol evaporate to oil and then collect it

10.1.2 Decarboxylating Ethanol Tinctures In Situ - GrayWolf's Lair

One of the issues with extracting with ethanol and then using the alcohol mixture as a tincture, is that as extracted, THC-a does not readily […]

graywolfslair.com

 

[amneziaHaze]

Just small buds large enough to pass the bottle neck.
And for smoking i did 80c oven until it felt dry.the taste was pure alcohol

That link says to bake the weed as i have said

I have allsoo made ethanol hash that you dont need to decarb because you will smoke it later, but hard to remove all alchohol without some equipment,worst tasting hash from all but works good as any

 

[Tincandtoke]

Just small buds large enough to pass the bottle neck.
And for smoking i did 80c oven until it felt dry.the taste was pure alcohol

That link says to bake the weed as i have said

I have allsoo made ethanol hash that you dont need to decarb because you will smoke it later, but hard to remove all alchohol without some equipment,worst tasting hash from all but works good as any

When I was considering making my own concentrate I looked up the process
Every method insisted on a vacuum oven to purge the alcohol

A natural decarb has no heat application in the process
That is the process I posted
It takes 3-4 months for enough of the thc-a to convert to thc
Sunlight is a cannabinoid killer

If you decarb prior to immersion in ethanol then you are making an activated tincture which requires far less time soaking
At that point just do a QWET

Be careful smoking ethanol soaked bud

 

[Dboybudz]

If you're making a tincture I would do my method a member taught me here works awesome and tasty.
Grind up half ounce or little less cook at 240° for 40 min.
Then put in mason jar and freeze for 24 hrs. Have a pint of 190 proof grain frozen along inside freezer. After 24 hrs pour 6 ounces over bud and shake for couple min and put back in freezer. Shake a couple times a day for five days then strain. Evaporate down to 2 ounces with fan blowing over mason jar. All set. Start off with quarter dropper with a sip of something.

 

[conor c]

It doesn't decarb it sure if you leave it long enough it will decarb naturally at room temp or just bake your weed first then mix it in

 

[amneziaHaze]

240 c or f?
i never go over 130c

 

[Tincandtoke]

The natural decarb was done for medicinal application
People wanted to retain the terpenes and other compounds
How much of that is left after 4 months is up for serious debate but the end product has a lot of sedation
Threw it out there as a method but missed the question I think
Alcohol itself does not decarb cannabis
I'm A damn stoner.....



This is my tincture after a cold ethanol extraction
The flower was decarbed in an Ardent FX, another way is an oven at 240f (115c) for 40 minutes
Filtered the material out with paper lined stainless steel filter then sent the tincture for a carbon scrub

 

[Humanrob]

#2 is pure bullshit. #1 has errors but it's right about the decarb.

If you want a full plant type of tincture, then you want to let it soak for 4 or more weeks but if it's the cannabinoids from the trichomes you're after whether for meds of just getting high then a quick wash with ice cold alcohol is what you want to do. QWISO if using isopropal alcohol or QWEtOH if ethyl alcohol is the solvent. The pot will need to be decarbed first if being kept as a tincture but if the extract is to be evapped and used as oil then the decarb can better be done after the alcohol is gone.

A lot of evidence coming out about how the acid versions of the cannabinoids may have even better effect for a lot of conditions without so much of a buzz so higher doses could be used without turning the patient into such a space cadet. I think the next batch of oils I make will be a 50:50 mix of decarbed and not-decarbed THC and CBD.

That post is from a little over a year ago, just wondering if you ever made that 50/50 blend, and if so, how was it? And what method did you use for processing the THCA/CBDA specifically into OILS that was done "cold"?

In order to ingest "A" versions without heat, as far as I know edibles are the only way, obviously smoking it converts it. A few years back everyone made such a big deal about decarboxylation being necessary for any medical benefits from CBD, and now in the past few years CBDA is getting a lot of attention. It's been a challenge for me to find larger scale cold production methods. I tend to make several hundred oil filled CBD capsules at a time, for my own use. I take about five a day, but I find the process of producing them is better done in larger batches.