Ethics of Guerilla growing on someone else's land

[potheadsmoker]

didnt you say the guy moves away or lives somewhere else? Listen 5 million dollar property, thats atleast a couple hundred acres. You can easily get away with 20-30 plants. sow a 5x5 25 sqr feet, 5 rows 5 plants each row. simple. make sure its a fast finishing strain due to deer hunters, or put the plants away from the stands opposite side of property.

if you wanting to grow monsters this simply will not work, look at fdds outdoor monsters hes got about 3 to 4 feet in between each plant and they just about touch

 

[Otoole]

Sorry but have to get something off my chest:

There's just something screwy about this. That fucked-up crooked, racist law is working. That's what it comes down to. You're submitting to an unjust law.

What if you were busted smoking in your own home? The story might make the local paper, your neighborhood property value may go down. You'd be playing havoc with other people's lives...

What if some how the effects of smoking one night cause you to crash your car into a kindergarten playground the next day? You never know...

What if your Phish marijuana leaf poster blows off your wall, out your window, down the street and a baby chokes to death on it? Frightening to contemplate...

I think the marijuana scourge is just too hazardous. You can know about it, you can appreciate it, you can believe the law is unjust, but it's still the law, so apparently you better just give up and obey because--because of the unjust law---there is an ever so slight risk that you will indirectly effect somebody else.

Yes, it's all so simply black and white. How old are you?

Sure there are people on here (like Cartman on the TP episode of South Park) who just think in terms of getting caught or not. But there is a difference between those people, and the ones who understand how to take a calculated risk in order to express their freedom in an unjust society. And then there's you! I don't think a person actually qualifies to grow marijuana if they aren't willing to take a calculated risk.

 

[Otoole]

That's why the best we can do to care for our fellows is to mitigate the risk as much as we possibly can, through hard work and careful planning.

The only alternative is to submit to the corruption of our government.

The only perfect answers are in math.

 

[Otoole]

Though I should add:

The most perfect answer that matches your absolutest view point is the one I suggested: Ask the land owner for permission.

If you are unwilling to do that, and you are unwilling to take a calculated risk, and you can't grow inside, and you don't want to grow at a park, then maybe we could figure something out with string theory, you know, worm holes, extra dimensions, etc.

 

[specialkayme]

Sorry but have to get something off my chest:

There's just something screwy about this. That fucked-up crooked, racist law is working. That's what it comes down to. You're submitting to an unjust law.

What if you were busted smoking in your own home? The story might make the local paper, your neighborhood property value may go down. You'd be playing havoc with other people's lives...

What if some how the effects of smoking one night cause you to crash your car into a kindergarten playground the next day? You never know...

What if your Phish marijuana leaf poster blows off your wall, out your window, down the street and a baby chokes to death on it? Frightening to contemplate...

Well, perhaps I went a little too far in my comparison of what I though the potential punishments would be for the true owner of the land. I probably would not feel responsible if my plants led to an investigation, which led to the IRS busting him for tax evasion. I also probably wouldn't feel responsible if his wife left him. Bot of those probably (or do) involve actions he took before I got involved that set things in motion.

I think the marijuana scourge is just too hazardous. You can know about it, you can appreciate it, you can believe the law is unjust, but it's still the law, so apparently you better just give up and obey because--because of the unjust law---there is an ever so slight risk that you will indirectly effect somebody else.

Yes, it's all so simply black and white. How old are you?

Personally, I would prefer not to answer. If you really want to know I'll send a pm out, but I don't really see how this matters. I'm not 16 or 60. Old enough to own land, but not old enough to have accumulated the money to buy alot of it.

Sure there are people on here (like Cartman on the TP episode of South Park) who just think in terms of getting caught or not. But there is a difference between those people, and the ones who understand how to take a calculated risk in order to express their freedom in an unjust society. And then there's you! I don't think a person actually qualifies to grow marijuana if they aren't willing to take a calculated risk.

I'll look past the fact that it appears that your wording is intending to be an insult to me.

Other than that, I would agree with you in part, but disagree in part. Yes, doing anything illegal is simply a calculated risk, involving the consequences of getting caught compared to the rewards of not. But the problem that I have is that I would not bear the brunt of the consequences if the operation were busted. I could bear some of them, but there is a reasonable belief that the owner of the land would bear some, if not all of the potential consequences. If I'm incorrect, feel free to correct me. In addition to this, I would be benefiting from the activity, and the owner would benefit none.

So from a risk/reward ratio, the risk is rather low to me with the reward being somewhat elevated. Under that notion it would make sense to grow on his land. But if you take a look at the owner's risk/reward ratio, his risk is high in comparison to his reward (which is none). I think it's not right to press those odds on someone who is not partaking in the rewards, or given an option to weigh the risks with the rewards for himself.

That's why the best we can do to care for our fellows is to mitigate the risk as much as we possibly can, through hard work and careful planning.

The only alternative is to submit to the corruption of our government.

The only perfect answers are in math.

This actually makes perfect sense to me. If I understood the land enough to say that I reasonably anticipate that no one would stumble on the land, or had enough experience in growing outdoors that I could reasonably anticipate, and then mitigate the risks involved then I could say that I mitigated the owner's risks as low as possible, then it would be alright for me to grow on the land.

I don't have an intimate knowledge with the land. And I also do not have enough experience to be able to pick fool proof plots, and camo them well enough. Therefore I don't think the math is there.

Though I should add:

The most perfect answer that matches your absolutest view point is the one I suggested: Ask the land owner for permission.

If you are unwilling to do that, and you are unwilling to take a calculated risk, and you can't grow inside, and you don't want to grow at a park, then maybe we could figure something out with string theory, you know, worm holes, extra dimensions, etc.

I'm unwilling to ask the owner. It puts a little too much unknown risk to me. I don't know the guy, and I don't feel comfortable having him as a "grow partner" let alone knowing of my operation. It would be great if I could, but not as of now.

I've already spoke of the calculated risk (feel free to explain if I didn't calculate the risk properly). I don't think I have an ability to mitigate the risks involved, at least at this point in time. If I had a mentor to walk me through it, I would feel better about it. But all I have is E-mentors.

I can't grow inside, not right now at least. I need a break.

I WANT to grow at a park, but the closest big park is too far away to reasonably anticipate that I can visit it often enough to ensure the plant's growth is optimum, or the security is primo.

Again, thanks for the sarcasm, but I'll look past it as a form of insult.

 

[outdoor master]

Well, perhaps I went a little too far in my comparison of what I though the potential punishments would be for the true owner of the land. I probably would not feel responsible if my plants led to an investigation, which led to the IRS busting him for tax evasion. I also probably wouldn't feel responsible if his wife left him. Bot of those probably (or do) involve actions he took before I got involved that set things in motion.



Personally, I would prefer not to answer. If you really want to know I'll send a pm out, but I don't really see how this matters. I'm not 16 or 60. Old enough to own land, but not old enough to have accumulated the money to buy alot of it.



I'll look past the fact that it appears that your wording is intending to be an insult to me.

Other than that, I would agree with you in part, but disagree in part. Yes, doing anything illegal is simply a calculated risk, involving the consequences of getting caught compared to the rewards of not. But the problem that I have is that I would not bear the brunt of the consequences if the operation were busted. I could bear some of them, but there is a reasonable belief that the owner of the land would bear some, if not all of the potential consequences. If I'm incorrect, feel free to correct me. In addition to this, I would be benefiting from the activity, and the owner would benefit none.

So from a risk/reward ratio, the risk is rather low to me with the reward being somewhat elevated. Under that notion it would make sense to grow on his land. But if you take a look at the owner's risk/reward ratio, his risk is high in comparison to his reward (which is none). I think it's not right to press those odds on someone who is not partaking in the rewards, or given an option to weigh the risks with the rewards for himself.



This actually makes perfect sense to me. If I understood the land enough to say that I reasonably anticipate that no one would stumble on the land, or had enough experience in growing outdoors that I could reasonably anticipate, and then mitigate the risks involved then I could say that I mitigated the owner's risks as low as possible, then it would be alright for me to grow on the land.

I don't have an intimate knowledge with the land. And I also do not have enough experience to be able to pick fool proof plots, and camo them well enough. Therefore I don't think the math is there.



I'm unwilling to ask the owner. It puts a little too much unknown risk to me. I don't know the guy, and I don't feel comfortable having him as a "grow partner" let alone knowing of my operation. It would be great if I could, but not as of now.

I've already spoke of the calculated risk (feel free to explain if I didn't calculate the risk properly). I don't think I have an ability to mitigate the risks involved, at least at this point in time. If I had a mentor to walk me through it, I would feel better about it. But all I have is E-mentors.

I can't grow inside, not right now at least. I need a break.

I WANT to grow at a park, but the closest big park is too far away to reasonably anticipate that I can visit it often enough to ensure the plant's growth is optimum, or the security is primo.

Again, thanks for the sarcasm, but I'll look past it as a form of insult.

how many plants would u lke to grow?

Whatkind of yield do u want pound? 10 pounds?

 

[specialkayme]

I was planning on growing 10 Laughing Buddha, and 10 Paia Hawaiiana. Both from seed, not feminized. So depending on whatever ended up being female, something around 10 plants total. Maybe not planting all 20 seeds, I don't know exactly.

I have two Trainwreck feminized seeds, and 5 Blue Mystic regular seeds lying around, but I doubt I'll use them just yet.

This way, If I started with 20 plants, I'd probably do 4 plots of 5 plants each.

Yield is not really important to me. Whatever I get, that's what I get. I'm not looking to sell, so whatever I yield I'll either use or give to friends. My goal is just to become self sufficient. If I start off with 10 ladies, and I assume that half of them either don't make it, or get caught, I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Why do you ask?

 

[outdoor master]

because I was wondering if you wanted to plant a huge amount on that guys property.

Have you traveled all of the property?, personally i would in a heart beat. In a remote corner spaced out. Deer hunting season is different from state to state. So fid out when season opens up near you. I doubt in the middle of summer people are going to be walking in a remote part of a field through brush, unless the suspected someone, or saw someone. Hunters might go out early to check on there stands, or put up motion censored cameras so be careful. If not put them in ur backyard, tie down the top, and let it grow horizontally. along a fence or along a flower bed, doesnt even look like a pot plant

 

[specialkayme]

because I was wondering if you wanted to plant a huge amount on that guys property.

Have you traveled all of the property?, personally i would in a heart beat. In a remote corner spaced out. Deer hunting season is different from state to state. So fid out when season opens up near you. I doubt in the middle of summer people are going to be walking in a remote part of a field through brush, unless the suspected someone, or saw someone. Hunters might go out early to check on there stands, or put up motion censored cameras so be careful. If not put them in ur backyard, tie down the top, and let it grow horizontally. along a fence or along a flower bed, doesnt even look like a pot plant

Not a huge amount, just enough for personal use.

I have not traveled ALL of the property. It's kinda hard to traverse at some parts, and it's difficult to tell where one piece of property ends and another begins. The land borders a swamp on one side, and several other wooded plots on the others. An outdoor education center, a residental community, a warehouse, and a farm are all just outside the borders. Each one of these own a little bit of the forrest, so it's difficult to tell where the owner's land ends, and the warehouse land begins. Even with that many neighbors, it's still a large peice of land, and from the looks of it, while someone may go through there, they don't get many visitors.

Someone went through there YEARS ago and put up barbed wire fence. Most of it is crazy rusted, and half of it got knocked down by fallen trees. A few times the barbed wire stuck to my shoes as I walked around, not even knowing it was there, or where it came from. At least one boundary line is so old that it's going through the center of a tree, where the tree grew around the barbed wire. My guess is that's at least 10-20 years old. But it's obvious that it wasn't just this guy that had it done, because the outdoor center and the warehouse have it as well. I did find a spool of barbed wire in one of the shed/barns that I came across though.

I didn't think it was too common to use barbed wire as a fence for your property. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I found that kinda odd.

Growing in my back yard is not really feasable. The owner to the left and the owner to the right are somewhat elevated. So even though I have a fence, you can still see into my backyard from their back portch. The houses are kinda close together. In addition to that I rent out two rooms. They are good guys, and I wish I didn't have to, but I got the mortgage at a very bad time in the economy, so the monthly payments were about $300 a month more than I expected, so to offset the costs I had to rent out at least one room.

 

[outdoor master]

Not a huge amount, just enough for personal use.

I have not traveled ALL of the property. It's kinda hard to traverse at some parts, and it's difficult to tell where one piece of property ends and another begins. The land borders a swamp on one side, and several other wooded plots on the others. An outdoor education center, a residental community, a warehouse, and a farm are all just outside the borders. Each one of these own a little bit of the forrest, so it's difficult to tell where the owner's land ends, and the warehouse land begins. Even with that many neighbors, it's still a large peice of land, and from the looks of it, while someone may go through there, they don't get many visitors.

Someone went through there YEARS ago and put up barbed wire fence. Most of it is crazy rusted, and half of it got knocked down by fallen trees. A few times the barbed wire stuck to my shoes as I walked around, not even knowing it was there, or where it came from. At least one boundary line is so old that it's going through the center of a tree, where the tree grew around the barbed wire. My guess is that's at least 10-20 years old. But it's obvious that it wasn't just this guy that had it done, because the outdoor center and the warehouse have it as well. I did find a spool of barbed wire in one of the shed/barns that I came across though.

I didn't think it was too common to use barbed wire as a fence for your property. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I found that kinda odd.

Growing in my back yard is not really feasable. The owner to the left and the owner to the right are somewhat elevated. So even though I have a fence, you can still see into my backyard from their back portch. The houses are kinda close together. In addition to that I rent out two rooms. They are good guys, and I wish I didn't have to, but I got the mortgage at a very bad time in the economy, so the monthly payments were about $300 a month more than I expected, so to offset the costs I had to rent out at least one room.

understandable. hmm i would pick up that rusted barb wired spool and run it around my plot ha. Depends that land might been once to have cattle in? Kinda an outdated farming techinque so its probably really old

 

[specialkayme]

No cattle. Too wooded. It's not really open.

 

[LordOfWar]

at the end of the day mate, how bad do u want the weed?

It sounds like a risky spot, not cause u'll get busted by the cops, but it sounds like a good grow area, and other players out there might be thinking the same thing

If u like taking calculated risks and are of a bit of a thrill seeker, go for it. - Just dont get sloppy while doing it

 

[jnuggs]

Well this is all I have left for thought on this subject. It's a good thing that you think of possibilities. But I feel that if these spots have you thinking THIS MUCH about the risk factor and being caught, it must not be a great site. I would find a different one that makes you feel MUCH MORE comfortable. If you don't..think of it this way..
You can either buy bag by bag, putting yourself out there often to get caught buying. Or you can buy less frequently, bigger quantities. Then if you get caught the charges are more severe. Or you can continue looking for a good place, only check on it a COUPLE of times. I don't believe if you visit the site 5 or so times that there is much of a chance for someone else to be there. I mean, it's $5 mil worth of land, how many acres are there? Avoid the area with tree stands. Hope things clear up for you! PEACE

 

[outdoor master]

Agreed i know on that propeerty is some sick spots trick is going out there for hours and finding it

 

[specialkayme]

Well this is all I have left for thought on this subject. It's a good thing that you think of possibilities. But I feel that if these spots have you thinking THIS MUCH about the risk factor and being caught, it must not be a great site. I would find a different one that makes you feel MUCH MORE comfortable. If you don't..think of it this way..
You can either buy bag by bag, putting yourself out there often to get caught buying. Or you can buy less frequently, bigger quantities. Then if you get caught the charges are more severe. Or you can continue looking for a good place, only check on it a COUPLE of times. I don't believe if you visit the site 5 or so times that there is much of a chance for someone else to be there. I mean, it's $5 mil worth of land, how many acres are there? Avoid the area with tree stands. Hope things clear up for you! PEACE

That is the entire mentality behind why I started growing in the first place. Well, that and the fact that it's fun.

To me, it's safer to grow. You know what you are getting (not traced with anything else), and you arn't dealing with questionable people. I hear stories all the time about buying from some guy who said $X for an ounce, you show up and he wants $X times two for the ounce. You say no and he pulls out a gun.

That and you have to deal with legal issues when buying, so why not get a greater control over it with growing.

So I'm still throwing things around. Not sure what I'm going to do. I could always go for another spot, but there arn't TOO many secluded areas around here, it is kinda a suburb, so I don't know.

 

[Hand Banana]

Tell u what, u enter onto someone elses land to commit a criminal act, thats un-ethical. If ur grow gets found on his land, he could end up going to jail for your fuck up. Dont do it.

Find a national park or reserve that is GOVERNMENT OWNED. Some reserves are privately owned, stay off!

Put yourself in the owners shoes. Two if u get caught doing it on his land, who too say he isn't going to shoot u and bury u out there. If hes got 5 million $ worth of land, this guy probaby can pull strings and make u dissapear. Use better judgement and dont do it. For fuck sake, just grow a small garden in ur back yard and hide some dope plants in there.

Hahaha, I love how you're lecturing us about the law on this site. And getting caught growing on government land, that's waaaay better, right?

 

[fartexpress]

this is quite pathetic...

you know its wrong or else you wouldnt have asked for support in the first place. the worst part is people are encouraging you to TRESPASS on someones property.

do it on public land where nobody will be responsible if the plants are found by the authorities. maybe the cops will find these plants and pin it on the land owner even though he is innocent. maybe the cops will find these plants and later find the land owners indoor grow or other plants?

you have to be a complete idiot with no respect for other people to trespass for this purpose or even support the idea.

i have my fingers crossed that someone will steal your weed and you will be on here crying or even better, you get busted.

 

[specialkayme]

i have my fingers crossed that someone will steal your weed and you will be on here crying or even better, you get busted.

TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR!

You may disagree with other people's views on this forum, but to wish ill upon them is never necessary.

Have you ever done anything ethically questionable in your life? Ever?

If you are a saint, then I'd be willing to make a statue of you in my front lawn. My guess is that you arn't a saint. If that's the case, ease up on others until you are always correct.

 

[fartexpress]

TOTALLY UNCALLED FOR!

You may disagree with other people's views on this forum, but to wish ill upon them is never necessary.

Have you ever done anything ethically questionable in your life? Ever?

If you are a saint, then I'd be willing to make a statue of you in my front lawn. My guess is that you arn't a saint. If that's the case, ease up on others until you are always correct.

i have done way too many things that are ethically questionable in my life and im far from a saint. but the big difference is i have never jeopardized someone else in the process.

ive spoken to police (friends) about this issue and here in ontario, the landowner is responsible for their property. if the cops would have found these plants it would have been up to the judge whether they were growing it or not.

do you seriously have such little respect for others and their property that you would jeopardize them just so you can grow some pot? you are either 16 years old or have never owned property before, which is it?

if you follow through with your grow on someone elses land, i hope you get whats coming to you. obviously you are in need of a big wake up call to get your attitude in check if you think what you are planning is no big deal.

PS...if what i said makes you that upset, you need to harden up.

 

[South Texas]

It takes 17 full grown trees to supply one person with enough oxygen to survive,... so with a family of 4, I need to plant like 200 plants for your good health. Since I'm an organic grower, I'm giving you fresh air & building up your piss-poor soil, for free. Then, to deal with the unsatisfied bitch you live with, take a few buds to deal with your miserable fucking life. It's a thankless job, but somebody has to do it.