4x Thai, AK47, Strawberry Cough, Silver Haze - 8 weeks VEG!
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diggitydank420
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Tronica, everything looks really nice.
About those rapid rooter plugs... you don't need them. That bubbler you make will work much better. I used the plugs in conjunction with root gel the first few times I cloned and had about a 70% success rate. Then I switched to a DWC bubbler, much like yours, without rooting hormones and have had 100% success
About those rapid rooter plugs... you don't need them. That bubbler you make will work much better. I used the plugs in conjunction with root gel the first few times I cloned and had about a 70% success rate. Then I switched to a DWC bubbler, much like yours, without rooting hormones and have had 100% success
Tronica
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I have a 2 out of 3 success rate on my bubbler, but they took a long time. I probably could have gotten 100% but I think the clone that was lagging behind was the Silver Haze, so I pulled it anyways. From what I've been reading about most people bubblers is that sometimes they can take awhile, where as the people that use RR's correctly see roots much sooner. On a 5-10 day basis instead of the 10-21 days with a bubbler.
But I am still using my bubbler. I have 2x thai skunk, 1 white widow, 1 ak 47, and that one mystery strain in there right now. I'm about to change my res. Gonna refill with distilled water and add like a 100ppm bloom nute (florabloom) to the res. I plan on using both for just a little while longer until I build a 50 site aero cloner.
What do you use for heating on your bubble cloner? I keep the ambient at around 80 on my clones inside an 18g rubbermaid. I don't have anything heating from underneath so this is the best I can do. I keep a dome on and keep it misted almost all the time to prevent the high temps from drying them out to much. Also from my reading with bubble cloners, it seems like the people that are having slow rooting cuts or no success are not using warm enough water.
My last issue with cloning is accurate info on where to take my clones from.
75% of people say the top side, but some say the bottom, and so does Cervantes. Saying that the greater part of the root growing hormones are located in the bottom of the plant.
And when you root in the bubbler do you leave 1 node under the "lid" so it can grow roots on it also? Do you use any scarification? Or splitting?
I'm in the middle of a flush right now. 7 5+ gallon pots. Yech. But this flush is needed. I've been putting it off and I don't wanna do this more than once during flowering (prolly twice with the thaixskunk)
I plan on going 24 hours of dark when lights go off tomorrow. So at 8 am, off for 24. Even thoI have my bulb coming and I'm gonna be anxious to hang it, I'll be waiting until the day after tomorrow to get it in there.
Going 24 hours of dark before 12/12 is said to make first flowers come as fast as 1 week earlier.
But I am still using my bubbler. I have 2x thai skunk, 1 white widow, 1 ak 47, and that one mystery strain in there right now. I'm about to change my res. Gonna refill with distilled water and add like a 100ppm bloom nute (florabloom) to the res. I plan on using both for just a little while longer until I build a 50 site aero cloner.
What do you use for heating on your bubble cloner? I keep the ambient at around 80 on my clones inside an 18g rubbermaid. I don't have anything heating from underneath so this is the best I can do. I keep a dome on and keep it misted almost all the time to prevent the high temps from drying them out to much. Also from my reading with bubble cloners, it seems like the people that are having slow rooting cuts or no success are not using warm enough water.
My last issue with cloning is accurate info on where to take my clones from.
75% of people say the top side, but some say the bottom, and so does Cervantes. Saying that the greater part of the root growing hormones are located in the bottom of the plant.
And when you root in the bubbler do you leave 1 node under the "lid" so it can grow roots on it also? Do you use any scarification? Or splitting?
I'm in the middle of a flush right now. 7 5+ gallon pots. Yech. But this flush is needed. I've been putting it off and I don't wanna do this more than once during flowering (prolly twice with the thaixskunk)
I plan on going 24 hours of dark when lights go off tomorrow. So at 8 am, off for 24. Even thoI have my bulb coming and I'm gonna be anxious to hang it, I'll be waiting until the day after tomorrow to get it in there.
Going 24 hours of dark before 12/12 is said to make first flowers come as fast as 1 week earlier.
diggitydank420
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I don't have any experience with the 24 hrs of dark to speed up sexing, but I see no harm in it.
As far as the cloning, I was seeing roots within 7-10 days with a good rootball within another week or so after the initial roots.
I use no humidity dome, I did not warm the rez in any way, I did not trim leaf tips, etc.
The only thing I did besides have the clones sit in the bubbler was give them a foliar spray(~10% strength nutrient mix) once a day.
I really think a lot of the stuff that you see and or hear is unnecessary. Maybe I've just been lucky.
Tronica
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Yeh, that seems to be the gist of it with bubblers. Some people are insanly lucky, and some not so much.
I'm going to try losing the h-home and see how it goes. I just hope that I don't burn 'em.
Whats the ambient temps like where your clones are?
Thanks for the response, btw.
I'm going to try losing the h-home and see how it goes. I just hope that I don't burn 'em.
Whats the ambient temps like where your clones are?
Thanks for the response, btw.
diggitydank420
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Ambient temps are usually in the 80-90F range. But I ran 18/6 light schedule.
I really don't see the need to add another 33.3% cost to powering lights for another 6 hours a day. Where in the world does cannabis get 24 hrs of sunlight in nature?
I think they need a rest every day.
Tronica
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I also run 18/6. It's more akin to nature.
Root growth is better stimulated during the dark phase as well so that's a good reason alone to run 18/6.
But that also present's the problem of colder res temps during the dark phase. I would guess it is dropping to 60 down on the floor down there during the day, when lights are off.
I just finished flushing one plant, took like 20 minutes under the hose, 15 gallons thro 5 gallon pot and was really loud pouring the 20 gallong tub out into the bathub. I have neighbors.
I don't have time to do the rest tonight anyways. I'll finish them tomorrow and will skip the 24 hour dark phase.
Root growth is better stimulated during the dark phase as well so that's a good reason alone to run 18/6.
But that also present's the problem of colder res temps during the dark phase. I would guess it is dropping to 60 down on the floor down there during the day, when lights are off.
I just finished flushing one plant, took like 20 minutes under the hose, 15 gallons thro 5 gallon pot and was really loud pouring the 20 gallong tub out into the bathub. I have neighbors.
I don't have time to do the rest tonight anyways. I'll finish them tomorrow and will skip the 24 hour dark phase.
growinman
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Great journel Tronica! I just now ran across this for the first time---I saw 'AK47'...... I just got ak47 seed from serious through attitude...... Do you know who's your breeder on your ak? Forgive me if you've answered this already(I only read a few pages).
Just wanted to add my $0.02 on the bubble cloners since there seems to be quite a bit of talk on it here.
I've been using my diy bubble cloner for over two years now(49 sites). I guess I must be one of the 'insanely lucky' ones as I get 100% most every run now. I 've used most all of the other methods as well, many times-though not aero...... RR's work too, given the right conditions, as with most all methods. But there really isn't anything more simple and easier than a bubbler, or cheaper. Your looks just great.
There are a couple of critical things with the bubblers is all. Oh, unless I am revegging, I get roots within 10 days!<---my MoonFlower roots in 5-6 days...
Argue all you want but this is my conclusion to having your bubblers get you 100% just as fast as any other method....
I have two main rules for the success I 've had:
#1. Never ANY nutrient or rooting hormone AT ALL----------nothing
#2. The water needs to remain at or over 80 degrees---yes 80(the cuts will get their o2 via direct bubbles. 80 is too warm to hold much o2 on its' own) And contrary to what most think, 90 degrees is not too warm, but I 've found the fastest results at a constant 83!
Those are the two things that people will doubt- but they are in stone, man. If you have nute in there at those temps you'll grow slime and scum.
You can get a very cheap aqurium heater for that little guy and do wonders. Keep that water deeper so you always have a good 1/2", or more, of stem in it. Fresh, clean cuts-no crunches/crushes. You only need one low watt cfl. Take or leave the folliar misting with h2o only(no nute). I do usually mist a few times a day the first couple of days.
They'll start to yellow as they get roots and want food. Your in soil so you can go straight to it if it's not hot. I assume you 've heard about MG--I 've never used it so I cant say......just doesn't sound good. If you want to veg for some reason right in your bubbler you can add very mild nute once the root nodes appear, but watch for algy type scum to grow if you dont get the temps back down around 65-70, and the roots will tangle but come appart with a bit of effort.
Here's my bubbler: Pumps not shown........
Something else you might take note of if you didn't know: You dont want your donor mother plant to be loaded up with N as it will hamper root growth on your cutting.......
Sorry.hope you find some of this useful........Great growing to you!!
growinman
Just wanted to add my $0.02 on the bubble cloners since there seems to be quite a bit of talk on it here.
I've been using my diy bubble cloner for over two years now(49 sites). I guess I must be one of the 'insanely lucky' ones as I get 100% most every run now. I 've used most all of the other methods as well, many times-though not aero...... RR's work too, given the right conditions, as with most all methods. But there really isn't anything more simple and easier than a bubbler, or cheaper. Your looks just great.
There are a couple of critical things with the bubblers is all. Oh, unless I am revegging, I get roots within 10 days!<---my MoonFlower roots in 5-6 days...
Argue all you want but this is my conclusion to having your bubblers get you 100% just as fast as any other method....
I have two main rules for the success I 've had:
#1. Never ANY nutrient or rooting hormone AT ALL----------nothing
#2. The water needs to remain at or over 80 degrees---yes 80(the cuts will get their o2 via direct bubbles. 80 is too warm to hold much o2 on its' own) And contrary to what most think, 90 degrees is not too warm, but I 've found the fastest results at a constant 83!
Those are the two things that people will doubt- but they are in stone, man. If you have nute in there at those temps you'll grow slime and scum.
You can get a very cheap aqurium heater for that little guy and do wonders. Keep that water deeper so you always have a good 1/2", or more, of stem in it. Fresh, clean cuts-no crunches/crushes. You only need one low watt cfl. Take or leave the folliar misting with h2o only(no nute). I do usually mist a few times a day the first couple of days.
They'll start to yellow as they get roots and want food. Your in soil so you can go straight to it if it's not hot. I assume you 've heard about MG--I 've never used it so I cant say......just doesn't sound good. If you want to veg for some reason right in your bubbler you can add very mild nute once the root nodes appear, but watch for algy type scum to grow if you dont get the temps back down around 65-70, and the roots will tangle but come appart with a bit of effort.
Here's my bubbler: Pumps not shown........
Something else you might take note of if you didn't know: You dont want your donor mother plant to be loaded up with N as it will hamper root growth on your cutting.......
Sorry.hope you find some of this useful........Great growing to you!!
growinman
Tronica
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I think I'm going to try raising my res temps and see what happens. I have a feeling that's what is slowing my bubbler down. I'm not unsuccessfully cloning. I just want them quicker I guess.
Thanks for the advice tho, much appreciated I am thinking I'll leave off on the 100ppm bloom nute based on your advice., I just had one of my clones yellow to much before it got enough roots for soil. It survived, and I figured it would, but you'd laugh at how pitiful it looked. I figured the slight nute would help it keep some healthy leafs for longer. But I'll trust you and forgo that.
I'm not in MG soil, I'm in Black Gold organic. I was using MG nutes at the beginning of my grow, but havn't been for awhile now. I'm using Hesi now. Just thought I'd clear that one up.
Thanks for the advice tho, much appreciated I am thinking I'll leave off on the 100ppm bloom nute based on your advice., I just had one of my clones yellow to much before it got enough roots for soil. It survived, and I figured it would, but you'd laugh at how pitiful it looked. I figured the slight nute would help it keep some healthy leafs for longer. But I'll trust you and forgo that.
I'm not in MG soil, I'm in Black Gold organic. I was using MG nutes at the beginning of my grow, but havn't been for awhile now. I'm using Hesi now. Just thought I'd clear that one up.
Tronica
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My bulb arrived today. I went with a cheaper bulb from Grow Bright. 60$ shipped.
I put the hps up today of course. Been real busy today in general. Finishing up the flush and cleaning up.
I don't have my exhaust fan worked up yet, or my carbon filter, but hopefully I'll have both by weeks end. A friend is gonna hook me up with the fan and keeping with the trend, I'll diy a carbon filter.
Here's the pictures. I took a bunch more but my camera is shitting out I guess. An old Olympus Camedia 5.0. Great cameras back in 1999.....
I'll find a new camera soon too.
This is how I flush. 15g thro 5g buckets.
One of the girls right before flush.
The clones and the chocolope.
Lights - 600w hps, 400w mh. 82 atm.
I put the hps up today of course. Been real busy today in general. Finishing up the flush and cleaning up.
I don't have my exhaust fan worked up yet, or my carbon filter, but hopefully I'll have both by weeks end. A friend is gonna hook me up with the fan and keeping with the trend, I'll diy a carbon filter.
Here's the pictures. I took a bunch more but my camera is shitting out I guess. An old Olympus Camedia 5.0. Great cameras back in 1999.....
I'll find a new camera soon too.
This is how I flush. 15g thro 5g buckets.
One of the girls right before flush.
The clones and the chocolope.
Lights - 600w hps, 400w mh. 82 atm.
Tronica
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looking good
just tried to rep ya for all the hardwork but i still gotta spread some love
thanks man.
my temps are dropping, i close my door most of the way and tack a towel from the top of the door to the wall next to the jamb. This lets me keep it open on bottom but kills most of the light coming out of the closet. Lights are on at night, and I sleep in the room, so it's kind of a must. lol
But I did that and ran the ducting to the top of the door, just over the towel, and my temp is down to 79 now and lowering. Very happy with that.
Tronica
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What a long day.
Gonna catch 6 hours of sleep before class. But I just checked on my clones and I have some good news and a lil funny.
The silver clone I pulled out of my bubbler that was taking to long (and i needed the room) was placed in a rapid rooter and i just sat it on top of one of the pots one of my rooted clones was in and just misted it whenever I thought about it. I went in there now and knocked it over and notice ist has roots coming out the bottom now. It looks just as crispy yellow as the other one did, but I bet I can save it. Pretty funny I really didn't think it'd survive.
And the good news is I have 4 more clones with roots in the bubbler. Just starters but good nonetheless. Much better rooting time this go around on my bubbler.
Gonna catch 6 hours of sleep before class. But I just checked on my clones and I have some good news and a lil funny.
The silver clone I pulled out of my bubbler that was taking to long (and i needed the room) was placed in a rapid rooter and i just sat it on top of one of the pots one of my rooted clones was in and just misted it whenever I thought about it. I went in there now and knocked it over and notice ist has roots coming out the bottom now. It looks just as crispy yellow as the other one did, but I bet I can save it. Pretty funny I really didn't think it'd survive.
And the good news is I have 4 more clones with roots in the bubbler. Just starters but good nonetheless. Much better rooting time this go around on my bubbler.
DodgeDread
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Good stuff, nice lookin 'fictional' grow!
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Tronica
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Thanks. Good to have you along.
I just popped the lights of - 4 hours earlier than normal so my dark phase can run between 8am-8pm.
Very excited about flowering. Gonna be here awhile on the thaixhaze too. I guess my buddy ran the few that he grew (monsters not vegged nearly as long as mine) for 14 weeks.
6 of 8 clones in the bubbler have roots this morning. The 2 newest ones (1 AK, 1 Silver Haze) still don't but they're onyl 6 days old.
Tronica
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It does look bad-ass. I don't have it tho. I just want it.
Hopefully I'll pick one up after this harvest. Normally I would just DIY something up but if I can score it for 300$ it will pay for itself pretty fast. It really seems like the perfect light set up for my > 18" auto-flower / veg area. Keep the af strains towards the middle and the veggers on the sides. 16oz grow cups.
Just thinkin' about it makes me wanna do it right fuckin now. This hobby is to addicting.
diggitydank420
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They all are. This one just pays off in the endIt does look bad-ass. I don't have it tho. I just want it.
Hopefully I'll pick one up after this harvest. Normally I would just DIY something up but if I can score it for 300$ it will pay for itself pretty fast. It really seems like the perfect light set up for my > 18" auto-flower / veg area. Keep the af strains towards the middle and the veggers on the sides. 16oz grow cups.
Just thinkin' about it makes me wanna do it right fuckin now. This hobby is to addicting.
Jash1297
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I would agree with that my grow was going to be in a small wood box. i have a cab now and am moving on to bigger and better in the near future.It does look bad-ass. I don't have it tho. I just want it.
Hopefully I'll pick one up after this harvest. Normally I would just DIY something up but if I can score it for 300$ it will pay for itself pretty fast. It really seems like the perfect light set up for my > 18" auto-flower / veg area. Keep the af strains towards the middle and the veggers on the sides. 16oz grow cups.
Just thinkin' about it makes me wanna do it right fuckin now. This hobby is to addicting.
Tronica
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Got a little surprise when I got home today when I was watering my rapid rooter clones. I do this by spraying the bottom of the rooter with 2-3 mists, depending on moisture leve, with distilled water. I keep them almost dry but not quite. And they all sit in net pots, in a tupperware. The tupperware sits in a 18g rubbermaid that is siiting atop another 18g rubbermaid, that is upside down with the 400w mh ballast inside it. The bottom rubbermaid is tilted just enough to let some air out. But this keeps the base warm, which solved my temp problems.
Fuck I rant on and on.
Anyways, I saw some roots on one. I didn't think they'd come so quick. I checked the rest and found 4 more. 2 Coughs, 1 AK, 1 Thai. That's roots in just 6 days!
I like those results. But... I also have roots on 5/6 in the bubbler and those were around 8-12 days too since they went in at different times. I can't bitch about that either. I was all worried when my first clones took almost 3 weeks but they all made it, even the one I threw to the wilds and now my others are doing way better than I thought they were going too.
My temps have stabilized around 79. I did not put my fan in. I got one for free but holy fucking shit is it loud. I think I'll have to come up with another option and just use the hanging fan for now. But my temps only went up by 4 with another 600w. I think were ok for now. And I really wish my camera was working better. They look so great right now. Light is 6" away and they're all reaching right for it.
Day 1 of flower was today - for my own record.
Fuck I rant on and on.
Anyways, I saw some roots on one. I didn't think they'd come so quick. I checked the rest and found 4 more. 2 Coughs, 1 AK, 1 Thai. That's roots in just 6 days!
I like those results. But... I also have roots on 5/6 in the bubbler and those were around 8-12 days too since they went in at different times. I can't bitch about that either. I was all worried when my first clones took almost 3 weeks but they all made it, even the one I threw to the wilds and now my others are doing way better than I thought they were going too.
My temps have stabilized around 79. I did not put my fan in. I got one for free but holy fucking shit is it loud. I think I'll have to come up with another option and just use the hanging fan for now. But my temps only went up by 4 with another 600w. I think were ok for now. And I really wish my camera was working better. They look so great right now. Light is 6" away and they're all reaching right for it.
Day 1 of flower was today - for my own record.