Evolution Is A Theory On Which You Base A Religion

mared juwan

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do you not like the way scientist say we looked ?... sure these pictures arnt perfect but it gives a pretty good idea of what they think we looked like
Fish, we've already pointed out that chart is BS. I was hoping at some point you would follow my lead and stop trying to convince people and instead share your knowledge on the issue. Teach us about religion. I want to learn something. I've tried to make every post of mine at least contain some information that educates people on the subject we are discussing. You are never going to be able to disprove evolution. You don't know enough about it. Why don't you instead tell us something we don't know about your side of the story. I'm surprised you had nothing to say when I said I was in agreement that a Great Flood did occur in our history around the time of the Bible. I would have thought a true Christian would have tons of points from the Bible to contradict all we are saying. I haven't seen anything from you except snide little comments clearly intended to aggravate people and nothing more. If you want to convince us, educate us. Prove you know as much about religion as we do about evolution. If you can't do that, I don't really understand why you keep posting. I repect religious scholars. They put as much time into studying their subject matter as scientists do. So if you have something real to say, I'm listening.
 

fish601

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Fish, we've already pointed out that chart is BS. I was hoping at some point you would follow my lead and stop trying to convince people and instead share your knowledge on the issue. Teach us about religion. I want to learn something. I've tried to make every post of mine at least contain some information that educates people on the subject we are discussing. You are never going to be able to disprove evolution. You don't know enough about it. Why don't you instead tell us something we don't know about your side of the story. I'm surprised you had nothing to say when I said I was in agreement that a Great Flood did occur in our history around the time of the Bible. I would have thought a true Christian would have tons of points from the Bible to contradict all we are saying. I haven't seen anything from you except snide little comments clearly intended to aggravate people and nothing more. If you want to convince us, educate us. Prove you know as much about religion as we do about evolution. If you can't do that, I don't really understand why you keep posting. I repect religious scholars. They put as much time into studying their subject matter as scientists do. So if you have something real to say, I'm listening.

this is the first post of yours that i have skimed over. and thats about it lol...
 

fish601

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Wow, you're hopeless. If you "skimmed" my post, where is your response to what it said?
i only read a couple of sentences and well... you havent pointed that the pictures was bs, if you have please give me the post number i will check it again.

Teach us about religion. I want to learn something
if you want to learn about religion go here
1.http://gotquestions.org/crucial.html
2. http://www.godandscience.org/
3.http://www.carm.org/christianity/answers-seekers
i am not teaching religion


You are never going to be able to disprove evolution.
disprove evolution? lol its never been proven.not the evolution that we have been talking about .. it sure sounds like it might work so i am still open to the possiblity.

thats as far as i read
 

Brazko

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Fish, we've already pointed out that chart is BS. I was hoping at some point you would follow my lead and stop trying to convince people and instead share your knowledge on the issue. Teach us about religion. I want to learn something. I've tried to make every post of mine at least contain some information that educates people on the subject we are discussing. You are never going to be able to disprove evolution. You don't know enough about it. Why don't you instead tell us something we don't know about your side of the story. I'm surprised you had nothing to say when I said I was in agreement that a Great Flood did occur in our history around the time of the Bible. I would have thought a true Christian would have tons of points from the Bible to contradict all we are saying. I haven't seen anything from you except snide little comments clearly intended to aggravate people and nothing more. If you want to convince us, educate us. Prove you know as much about religion as we do about evolution. If you can't do that, I don't really understand why you keep posting. I repect religious scholars. They put as much time into studying their subject matter as scientists do. So if you have something real to say, I'm listening.
I wanted to Rep you for this Post but I couldn't, Well sPoken Chief, Ole'School Rep +++
 
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PadawanBater

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disprove evolution? lol its never been proven.not the evolution that we have been talking about .. it sure sounds like it might work so i am still open to the possiblity.

thats as far as i read

You're not open to shit.

How do you expect to accept something if you will never aknowledge the way we retrieve information is accurate?

Stop wasting everyones time.
 

Katatawnic

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this is the first post of yours that i have skimed over. and thats about it lol...
Did your teachers take kindly to remarks like this? Or did you have better excuses for not contributing anything more than what you believed was enough to get by? You could have answered if you'd wanted to, even if it meant taking out the two minutes to go back and read what you "skimmed" the first time. Laziness isn't any more attractive than being simply a twit.
 

Xeno420

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I don't know if any of you know a guy named Zecharia Sitchin but he's a walking brain and know's quite a bit of a lot of things. Anyway, I got this from his official website http://www.sitchin.com/. A lot of poeple say he's a case but for those that know better than to be brainwashed by the religions of the world like this guy and respect him. He's even gone to the vatican to argue about where we came from and they had nothing to say :). His discoveries on ancient Sumerian artifacts have details about certain technology and astrological facts that 'NASA' is 'discovering' as new but Sitchin shows them where it has been written before in ancient times by the first 'civilized' people... Anyway, read on and check out the dude's site. Peace!


THE CASE OF ADAM’S ALIEN GENES

In whose image was The Adam – the prototype of modern humans, Homo sapiens – created?

The Bible asserts that the Elohim said: “Let us fashion the Adam in our image and after our likeness.” But if one is to accept a tentative explanation for enigmatic genes that humans possess, offered when the deciphering of the human genome was announced in mid-February, the feat was decided upon by a group of bacteria!

“Humbling” was the prevalent adjective used by the scientific teams and the media to describe the principal finding – that the human genome contains not the anticipated 100,000 - 140,000 genes (the stretches of DNA that direct the production of amino-acids and proteins) but only some 30,000+ -- little more than double the 13,601 genes of a fruit fly and barely fifty percent more than the roundworm’s 19,098. What a comedown from the pinnacle of the genomic Tree of Life!

Moreover, there was hardly any uniqueness to the human genes. They are comparative to not the presumed 95 percent but to almost 99 percent of the chimpanzees, and 70 percent of the mouse. Human genes, with the same functions, were found to be identical to genes of other vertebrates, as well as invertebrates, plants, fungi, even yeast. The findings not only confirmed that there was one source of DNA for all life on Earth, but also enabled the scientists to trace the evolutionary process – how more complex organisms evolved, genetically, from simpler ones, adopting at each stage the genes of a lower life form to create a more complex higher life form – culminating with Homo sapiens.


The “Head-scratching” Discovery

It was here, in tracing the vertical evolutionary record contained in the human and the other analyzed genomes, that the scientists ran into an enigma. The “head-scratching discovery by the public consortium,” as Science termed it, was that the human genome contains 223 genes that do not have the required predecessors on the genomic evolutionary tree.

How did Man acquire such a bunch of enigmatic genes?

In the evolutionary progression from bacteria to invertebrates (such as the lineages of yeast, worms, flies or mustard weed – which have been deciphered) to vertebrates (mice, chimpanzees) and finally modern humans, these 223 genes are completely missing in the invertebrate phase. Therefore, the scientists can explain their presence in the human genome by a “rather recent” (in evolutionary time scales) “probable horizontal transfer from bacteria.”

In other words: At a relatively recent time as Evolution goes, modern humans acquired an extra 223 genes not through gradual evolution, not vertically on the Tree of Life, but horizontally, as a sideways insertion of genetic material from bacteria


An Immense Difference

Now, at first glance it would seem that 223 genes is no big deal. In fact, while every single gene makes a great difference to every individual, 223 genes make an immense difference to a species such as ours.

The human genome is made up of about three billion neucleotides (the “letters” A-C-G-T which stand for the initials of the four nucleic acids that spell out all life on Earth); of them, just a little more than one percent are grouped into functioning genes (each gene consists of thousands of "letters"). The difference between one individual person and another amounts to about one “letter” in a thousand in the DNA “alphabet.” The difference between Man and Chimpanzee is less than one percent as genes go; and one percent of 30,000 genes is 300.

So, 223 genes is more than two thirds of the difference between me, you and a chimpanzee!

An analysis of the functions of these genes through the proteins that they spell out, conducted by the Public Consortium team and published in the journal Nature, shows that they include not only proteins involved in important physiological but also psychiatric functions. Moreover, they are responsible for important neurological enzymes that stem only from the mitochondrial portion of the DNA – the so-called “Eve” DNA that humankind inherited only through the mother-line, all the way back to a single “Eve.” That finding alone raises doubt regarding that the "bacterial insertion" explanation.


A Shaky Theory

How sure are the scientists that such important and complex genes, such an immense human advantage, was obtained by us --“rather recently”-- through the courtesy of infecting bacteria?

“It is a jump that does not follow current evolutionary theories,” said Steven Scherer, director of mapping of the Human Genome Sequencing Center, Baylor College of Medicine.

“We did not identify a strongly preferred bacterial source for the putative horizontally transferred genes,” states the report in Nature. The Public Consortium team, conducting a detailed search, found that some 113 genes (out of the 223) “are widespread among bacteria” – though they are entirely absent even in invertebrates. An analysis of the proteins which the enigmatic genes express showed that out of 35 identified, only ten had counterparts in vertebrates (ranging from cows to rodents to fish); 25 of the 35 were unique to humans.

“It is not clear whether the transfer was from bacteria to human or from human to bacteria,” Science quoted Robert Waterson, co-director of Washington University’s Genome Sequencing Center, as saying.

But if Man gave those genes to bacteria, where did Man acquire those genes to begin with?


The Role of the Anunnaki

Readers of my books must be smiling by now, for they know the answer.

They know that the biblical verses dealing with the fashioning of The Adam are condensed renderings of much much more detailed Sumerian and Akkadian texts, found inscribed on clay tablets, in which the role of the Elohim in Genesis is performed by the Anunnaki – “Those Who From Heaven to Earth Came.”

As detailed in my books, beginning with The 12th Planet (1976) and even more so in Genesis Revisited and The Cosmic Code, the Anunnaki came to Earth some 450,000 years ago from the planet Nibiru – a member of our own solar system whose great orbit brings it to our part of the heavens once every 3,600 years. They came here in need of gold, with which to protect their dwindling atmosphere. Exhausted and in need of help in mining the gold, their chief scientist Enki suggested that they use their genetic knowledge to create the needed Primitive Workers. When the other leaders of the Anunnaki asked: How can you create a new being? He answered:

"The being that we need already exists;
all that we have to do is put our mark on it.”

The time was some 300,000 years ago.

What he had in mind was to upgrade genetically the existing hominids, who were already on Earth through Evolution, by adding some of the genes of the more advanced Anunnaki. That the Anunnaki, who could already travel in space 450,000 years ago, possessed the genomic science (whose threshold we have now reached) is clear not only from the actual texts but also from numerous depictions in which the double-helix of the DNA is rendered as Entwined Serpents (a symbol still used for medicine and healing) -- see illustration ‘A’ below.

When the leaders of the Anunnaki approved the project (as echoed in the biblical ”Let us fashion the Adam”), Enki with the help of Ninharsag, the Chief Medical Officer of the Anunnaki, embarked on a process of genetic engineering, by adding and combining genes of the Anunnaki with those of the already-existing hominids.

When, after much trial and error breathtakingly described and recorded in antiquity, a “perfect model” was attained, Ninharsag held him up and shouted: “My hands have made it!” An ancient artist depicted the scene on a cylinder seal (illustration ‘B’).

And that, I suggest, is how we had come to possess the unique extra genes. It was in the image of the Anunnaki, not of bacteria, that Adam and Eve were fashioned.


A Matter of Extreme Significance

Unless further scientific research can establish, beyond any doubt, that the only possible source of the extra genes are indeed bacteria, and unless it is then also determined that the infection (“horizontal transfer”) went from bacteria to Man and not from Man to bacteria, the only other available solution will be that offered by the Sumerian texts millennia ago.

Until then, the enigmatic 223 alien genes will remain as an alternative – and as a corroboration by modern science of the Anunnaki and their genetic feats on Earth.
 

mared juwan

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you havent pointed that the pictures was bs, if you have please give me the post number i will check it again.
Here... check it again. Post 314.
That chart is not consistent with modern evolutionary theory. There is no clear linear progression of one hominid species into another "more advanced" species as the chart suggests. Rather the process was more like a tree with branches that split and evolved parallel at the same time. All the other parts of this branch ran into dead ends and only homo sapiens remains. This seems to be too complicated of a theory for many creationists to comprehend. Anyways, I hope that chart was not intended to discredit evolutionary science. If so, it is a very poor attempt.

And by "teach me about religion" I mean use some actual information to back up what you are saying. Why are we wrong and you are right?
 

mared juwan

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Check out post 348
I did. Why would such advanced aliens need to use the measly strength of chimpanzees they gentically engineered into slave humans? That's what it's saying, right? Aliens were here on Earth mining gold and gave us these 223 mystery genes so we could be their slaves? I would think they would have robotics and machinery that would serve their purposes far better than we could if they were capable of travelling here. It is still an interesting theory....
 

Xeno420

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I did. Why would such advanced aliens need to use the measly strength of chimpanzees they gentically engineered into slave humans? That's what it's saying, right? Aliens were here on Earth mining gold and gave us these 223 mystery genes so we could be their slaves? I would think they would have robotics and machinery that would serve their purposes far better than we could if they were capable of travelling here. It is still an interesting theory....
When you've been around who know's how long, you might not want robots and machinery. How about creating something unique, something not done before? You want an answer to your questions? You have to go to the source: The Akkadian and Sumerian cuneiform stone tablets where the story of man exists. This is where the modern bible took the genesis and revamped it to it's will and ommited many things and added others.

Edit: They might have wanted humans over machines also because humans have a tendency to evolve socially which robots and machines cannot. We might have also been an experiment to them to see if the 'new hybrids' can become more than simple animals and make an advanced infrastructure, maybe even become smart enough to attain the knowledge of 'the gods' with the information left behind and the craftiness of the 'Neo-Homo'.
 

anhedonia

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WOW! You sound like you get all these ideas from the history channel or coast to coast am. Don't take it so literally bud. Theyre selling you entertainment. LOL
 

Xeno420

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It doesn't appear you grasped what I was saying. Lucy did not evolve into Heidleburg Man and then he didn't evolve into Nebraska Man and then he didn't evolve into Piltdown Man. Some of these species lived along side eachother at the same period in time and therefore there could not be a linear pattern to their evolution. I'm not here to argue or convince anyone. Just correct gross misrepresentations of facts when I see them. Believe what you want. I could give a shit.
Can you rule out a form of bestiality? Maybe the different breeds were screwing eachother and maybe they had similar chromosomes. Finaly Homo sapien is born.
 
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PadawanBater

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Can you rule out a form of bestiality? Maybe the different breeds were screwing eachother and maybe they had similar chromosomes. Finaly Homo sapien is born.
Not likely.

For the same reasons a great dane can't mate with a german shepard.

Different species cannot produce fertile offspring.
 

Xeno420

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Not likely.

For the same reasons a great dane can't mate with a german shepard.

Different species cannot produce fertile offspring.
This is true but given that nature surprises us, anything is possible. You never know, maybe a genetic mutation allows contradiction. It may be possible that after years of trying, some of the genetic code through transfer intercourse or cannabalism or both may have changed a few thing that permit a change and compatibility. Remember, "you are what you eat".
 

fish601

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Some of these species lived along side eachother at the same period in time and therefore there could not be a linear pattern to their evolution. .
you do realize there is no fossil evidence of evolution?

Here... check it again. Post 314.

And by "teach me about religion" I mean use some actual information to back up what you are saying. Why are we wrong and you are right?
the best dating methods can not tell us how old something is. i could care less how old the earth is but when you use a dating method.. ask yourself Are there any assumptions involved in the dating method?

If you really dig into all the fossil evidence, you’ll
see there are no proven links that support
the claim that evolution occurred from one species to another. Modern textbooks have “filled in the blanks”
with assumptions, not facts. We have millions of fossils
in our museums today, and not one of them prove that there was ever a species-to-species transition.

http://www.evidenceforhope.com/Evolution%20versus%20Creation.html
 
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PadawanBater

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you do realize there is no fossil evidence of evolution?



the best dating methods can not tell us how old something is. i could care less how old the earth is but when you use a dating method.. ask yourself Are there any assumptions involved in the dating method?

If you really dig into all the fossil evidence, you’ll
see there are no proven links that support
the claim that evolution occurred from one species to another. Modern textbooks have “filled in the blanks”
with assumptions, not facts. We have millions of fossils
in our museums today, and not one of them prove that there was ever a species-to-species transition.

http://www.evidenceforhope.com/Evolution%20versus%20Creation.html

 
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