Why do people grow their plants so small?

[nowstopwhining]

You just explained in detail what Jonny is doing.
I always thought that clones were less resistant than growing from seeds but I suppose like anything it depends on the grower because clearly jonny's colas look more than fine.
I'm not growing to sell and already have MORE THAN ENOUGH bud to last a long time but this hobby just drives me. I can't absorb enough info to sustain my interest and this is very exciting.

I still have to grow from seeds to pick out the males and my best strains and go from there.

thanks so much for your imput lumpmuch appreciated

clones can be just as healthy if not healthier than a plant from seed

 

[Lacy]

No tiny tweebie buds from Jonny boy dude.
I think I'm gonna dream about those pics...I can't get that out of my mind now.

Hey Lacy, here was my collection of midgets.
The small one is 9". 5 Bluberry clones that yeilded
over 6 oz.

I don't think it's so much size, but the amount of
light it gets. I can't use the sun so my girls get 600 watts
of hps instead...this was them at day 59 of flower.

 

[Lacy]

Well this is good news. I think I am going to do this. I'm starting my indoor grow tomorrow so thanks you guys. you've been such a big help. Right now I will just use my cfl's for the sprouts and go from there.

Thanks Mr. whiny!
Ok seriously what shall I call you 'cause your name is really long.

clones can be just as healthy if not healthier than a plant from seed

 

[nowstopwhining]

Well this is good news. I think I am going to do this. I'm starting my indoor grow tomorrow so thanks you guys. you've been such a big help. Right now I will just use my cfl's for the sprouts and go from there.

Thanks Mr. whiny!
Ok seriously what shall I call you 'cause your name is really long.

you can call me whatever youd like

Mr. Whiny is a fun one.

 

[Lacy]

Haha! Ok Mr. Whiny it is then.

you can call me whatever youd like

Mr. Whiny is a fun one.

 

[nowstopwhining]

Haha! Ok Mr. Whiny it is then.

Wohoo I have a nickname....I feel cool now

 

[acidclown]

well i grow small plants and the resason behind this is as follows:
i grow in a wardrobe and smaller plants due to less smell lack of space for instance my perants are completely against weed and they quite often come around for tea and it is way easier to just shut the bedroom door than block off a whole section of the house or shed aswell as i rent here so when i get inspections the land lord can quite easily walk in the room and have a look at just the basic wardrobe sitting there than rather than the whole room padlocked shut etc.... not so easily to explain why u have padlocked the spare bedroom shut when they want to check the walls for hole and carpet for cigarette burns etc... i plan to move my setup underneath my house once i have scored some cash to setup downstairs etc...
anyways like i said i purely stick to small plants because landlord/perants etc...
acidclown

 

[Lacy]

Makes perfect sense to me. My parents have always disapproved also but I'm of age so I told them.
When you are renting you have to protect yourself. thats #1 so smart for you. Just don't get caught.

well i grow small plants and the resason behind this is as follows:
i grow in a wardrobe and smaller plants due to less smell lack of space for instance my perants are completely against weed and they quite often come around for tea and it is way easier to just shut the bedroom door than block off a whole section of the house or shed aswell as i rent here so when i get inspections the land lord can quite easily walk in the room and have a look at just the basic wardrobe sitting there than rather than the whole room padlocked shut etc.... not so easily to explain why u have padlocked the spare bedroom shut when they want to check the walls for hole and carpet for cigarette burns etc... i plan to move my setup underneath my house once i have scored some cash to setup downstairs etc...
anyways like i said i purely stick to small plants because landlord/perants etc...
acidclown

 

[tahoe58]

this is an interesting statement - from a strict biological and physical structure perspective, scientifically, this brings question into my mind. However, I am not an overly experienced experimental botanist. My experience is with animals. Copying and duplicating genetic material has an inherent increase in probability of mutation, and generally will result is a reduced vigor of the outcome, and in my experience an increased susceptibility to disease and injury, essentially manifested as an increase in immune deficiency. This is based upon the principle of hybrid vigor and the benefits of genetic diversity. But like I have said, I have no experience with clnoing plants - I am putting these thoughts forward based only upon generally accepted scientific theory (and in my case direct practice in animals)

clones can be just as healthy if not healthier than a plant from seed

 

[crazy-mental]

Hey Lacy, here was my collection of midgets.
The small one is 9". 5 Bluberry clones that yeilded
over 6 oz.

I don't think it's so much size, but the amount of
light it gets. I can't use the sun so my girls get 600 watts
of hps instead...this was them at day 59 of flower.

some fine looking plants.

 

[lookout]

Smalller plants are easier to move around.

 

[dankie]

this is an interesting statement - from a strict biological and physical structure perspective, scientifically, this brings question into my mind. However, I am not an overly experienced experimental botanist. My experience is with animals. Copying and duplicating genetic material has an inherent increase in probability of mutation, and generally will result is a reduced vigor of the outcome, and in my experience an increased susceptibility to disease and injury, essentially manifested as an increase in immune deficiency. This is based upon the principle of hybrid vigor and the benefits of genetic diversity. But like I have said, I have no experience with clnoing plants - I am putting these thoughts forward based only upon generally accepted scientific theory (and in my case direct practice in animals)

Wow that sounds wholly logical, if you are cloning clones of clones and so on, in most cases the grower has a mother plant that he takes the clones off of constantly, so the clone is really a first generation, I suspect that would cause less of the problems you are discussing.

It is interesting, and I wonder if anyone here has had problems like that.

 

[tahoe58]

yes....that's true. I understand what you mean. So as long as your mothers are all from seed then my argument does not really stand. thanks for pointing that out.

Wow that sounds wholly logical, if you are cloning clones of clones and so on, in most cases the grower has a mother plant that he takes the clones off of constantly, so the clone is really a first generation, I suspect that would cause less of the problems you are discussing.

It is interesting, and I wonder if anyone here has had problems like that.

 

[Lacy]

Yes genetic diversity. I took all that also and was under the same impression. In fact each time you take clones, you weaken the strain so that after a while you eventually 'have ' to go back to seed because you start loosing all the qualities and characteristics that were once prominent.

I think taking clones from a mother plant just to get clones and end it there wouldn't be too bad.

Plus I also thought that if I am going to do this all legally then all those clone stems would be considered individual plants whereas I can have dozens on a big plant so legality plays a part in it all for me.

So much to take into consideration.

this is an interesting statement - from a strict biological and physical structure perspective, scientifically, this brings question into my mind. However, I am not an overly experienced experimental botanist. My experience is with animals. Copying and duplicating genetic material has an inherent increase in probability of mutation, and generally will result is a reduced vigor of the outcome, and in my experience an increased susceptibility to disease and injury, essentially manifested as an increase in immune deficiency. This is based upon the principle of hybrid vigor and the benefits of genetic diversity. But like I have said, I have no experience with clnoing plants - I am putting these thoughts forward based only upon generally accepted scientific theory (and in my case direct practice in animals)

 

[Lacy]

Either way I have to start my new plants from seeds so we'll see. Its just a consideration because i am designing my grow room and wondering whether to consider two rooms. I'm sure i'll end up with two eventually .

 

[nowstopwhining]

Either way I have to start my new plants from seeds so we'll see. Its just a consideration because i am designing my grow room and wondering whether to consider two rooms. I'm sure i'll end up with two eventually .

go with two rooms anyways, That way you can have a few flowering and right when they are harvested you will have more in your veg room ready to be put right into flowering.

 

[Lacy]

exactly!! you don't wanna take clones from clones

Wow that sounds wholly logical, if you are cloning clones of clones and so on, in most cases the grower has a mother plant that he takes the clones off of constantly, so the clone is really a first generation, I suspect that would cause less of the problems you are discussing.

It is interesting, and I wonder if anyone here has had problems like that.

 

[Lacy]

Yes indeed.

go with two rooms anyways, That way you can have a few flowering and right when they are harvested you will have more in your veg room ready to be put right into flowering.

 

[nowstopwhining]

Wow that sounds wholly logical, if you are cloning clones of clones and so on, in most cases the grower has a mother plant that he takes the clones off of constantly, so the clone is really a first generation, I suspect that would cause less of the problems you are discussing.

It is interesting, and I wonder if anyone here has had problems like that.

Ive read up on that and some people get lucky and have takin clones of clones over and over without any significant problems, while others start seeing a loss in vigor and positive traits very quickly. I think luck plays a big role there

 

[tahoe58]

I bred horses for 20 years in my previous life, and it is a luck of the draw fror sure, but technically, the probability for reduced vigor from a narrowing of the genetic diversity through the process of seeking the most favourable traits will increase over time. But this process of taking clones is not really similar...it just had me thinking when I saw that comment that clones maybe even be more healthy than from seed.....interesting discussion for sure!

Ive read up on that and some people get lucky and have takin clones of clones over and over without any significant problems, while others start seeing a loss in vigor and positive traits very quickly. I think luck plays a big role there